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LA Times Exclusive: Five ATF Officials Found Responsible for Fast and Furious
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, July 30, 2012 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 07/30/2012 6:18:30 PM PDT by kristinn

Republican congressional investigators have concluded that five senior ATF officials -- from the special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top man in the bureau’s Washington headquarters -- are collectively responsible for the failed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation that was “marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

The investigators, in a final report likely to be released later this week, also unearthed new evidence that agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix initially sought to hide from the Mexican government the crucial information that two Fast and Furious firearms were recovered after the brother of a Mexican state attorney general was killed there.

According to a copy of the report obtained Monday by The Times, the investigators said their findings are “the best information available as of now” about the flawed gun operation that last month led to Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. being found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents.

Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”

The first report did allege some Justice Department involvement, however, notably that Kenneth E. Melson, then acting ATF director, was made into a “scapegoat” for Fast and Furious after he told congressional Republicans his Justice Department supervisors “were doing more damage control than anything” else once Fast and Furious became public.

“My view is that the whole matter of the department’s response in this case was a disaster,” Melson told the investigators.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; atf; bhodoj; brianterry; darrellissa; fastandfurious; holder; obama
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1 posted on 07/30/2012 6:18:43 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Looks like weak Republicans found themselves a scapegoat so they can save Obama and Eric Holder.

Issa got bought off and the case against Holder for contempt will go away.

WHITEWASH—it works every time in DC.


2 posted on 07/30/2012 6:23:40 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: kristinn

“marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

That’s an incredible success story, from the liberal standpoint.


3 posted on 07/30/2012 6:23:45 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: kristinn

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4 posted on 07/30/2012 6:24:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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5 posted on 07/30/2012 6:24:24 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: kristinn

Bull. Hillary knew, Holder knew, and,”We’re doing things under the radar.”, POS Obummer knew it.


6 posted on 07/30/2012 6:26:36 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: kristinn

What about the Justice Department? They were in it up to their eyeballs.


7 posted on 07/30/2012 6:27:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Venturer

unfortunately, it sure looks that way


8 posted on 07/30/2012 6:27:17 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: kristinn

It might be that they’re waiting for a better investigatory environment.

Or they could be threatening lower downs with jail time in exchange for testimony. How many of these 5 will stay alive?

F&F5, STAY ALIVE!


9 posted on 07/30/2012 6:27:59 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: kristinn
Punish the monkeys, let the organ grinders go.
10 posted on 07/30/2012 6:27:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: kristinn; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; marktwain; neverdem; Nachum

11 posted on 07/30/2012 6:28:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Venturer
Looks like weak Republicans found themselves a scapegoat so they can save Obama and Eric Holder.

Issa got bought off and the case against Holder for contempt will go away.

Not quite so fast and furious. The full text of the article notes,

Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”
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12 posted on 07/30/2012 6:28:39 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: kristinn

Um LA-Slimes, we all know that the Fast & Furious operation did not begin and end with Melson or with the Phoenix BATFE division.


13 posted on 07/30/2012 6:29:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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14 posted on 07/30/2012 6:29:21 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Venturer
Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”
15 posted on 07/30/2012 6:29:50 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: kristinn

One can only imagine what 0bama might have said to Mexican officials a few months back: “Okay, okay I’ll grant amnesty to your people if you promise to stop questioning me and my administration over ‘Fast & Furious’... Deal?”


16 posted on 07/30/2012 6:30:56 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Venturer
Looks like weak Republicans found themselves a scapegoat so they can save Obama and Eric Holder.

Issa got bought off and the case against Holder for contempt will go away.

WHITEWASH—it works every time in DC.

Nah, it's just the ol' Potomic Two-step!!

17 posted on 07/30/2012 6:31:38 PM PDT by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: kristinn
No DOJ HQ, no US attorney's office, no White House involvement. Did the GOP just fold again? How was Issa convinced to support a containment, damage control report, I wonder.
18 posted on 07/30/2012 6:32:50 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Venturer

Things started going downhill after the whole contempt vote. I think they scheduled it the same day as the ObamaCare vote assuming (like most of us) the individual mandate would be overruled and it would be a perfect double whammy. Once Roberts pulled a Rabbit out of the hat the whole contempt thing got kind of shuffled.


19 posted on 07/30/2012 6:33:40 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Nifster

It cannot look any other way.

Someone tell me why Holder would face contempt charges to protect 5 members of the ATF?

Why would Obama claim Executive Privilege in order that these men were not found guilty?

No: No; It’s a cover up, a whitewash.
This thing goes to the top ,and Issa just sold out.

There can be no other reason.

I have no doubt these men are guilty. Guilty of doing Obama’s bidding, and now getting thrown under the bus.


20 posted on 07/30/2012 6:34:40 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: kristinn

Must be bad....they needed 5 scapegoats.


21 posted on 07/30/2012 6:35:05 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Vote for willard. Because "our" pro-abort, anti-gun socialist is SO much better than theirs.)
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To: MileHi

They should have Jay Leno read those final reports, they will be laughable.


22 posted on 07/30/2012 6:36:54 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: kristinn

” are collectively responsible for the failed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation”

It wasn’t “failed”! It did exactly what they intended!


23 posted on 07/30/2012 6:38:00 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: DanMiller

I bet Holder is shaking in his shoes over those two final reports. Probably shaking as hard as Maxine Waters over her ethics trial that never came up.


24 posted on 07/30/2012 6:38:19 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: kristinn

bump.. for reading first thing in the morning..


25 posted on 07/30/2012 6:39:33 PM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: kristinn

PURE BS!

Evidence of Inter-Agency Coordination makes it impossible to be planned anywhere but 1600 Penn. Ave. You can blame the field grunts for following orders (like good little Nazis), But Obozo and his direct subordinates planned this. It was NOT a Sting Operation.....

Play spin the bottle of Fast & Furious and it will wind up pointing directly to Obozo’s A$$.


26 posted on 07/30/2012 6:40:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Truth29
Did the GOP just fold again?

Republican congressional investigators concluded five senior ATF officials from the special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top man in the bureau’s Washington headquarters responsible for Fast and Furious that was “marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

Well....It would appear so.

Of course, those in D.C., like fatcorps, will always blame the subordinates...

Will they make a deal with their superiors for leniency to keep their mouths shut? Can any of them produce additional evidence linking/connecting the White House or the AG?

Has all this been choreographed and sanitized?

27 posted on 07/30/2012 6:41:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kristinn
>" inherently reckless strategy"

LOL!!!

28 posted on 07/30/2012 6:42:10 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: kristinn

I’ll listen to the LA Times when they release the videotape they have of Obama and the Muslim fundraiser in 2008.


29 posted on 07/30/2012 6:42:20 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: Venturer

We shall see. You think the five are just going to eat this and like it? They are going to talk.


30 posted on 07/30/2012 6:44:30 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: kristinn
If the 5 are not subjected to criminal charges, was a deal made?

"You boys go collect your gold plated government retirements, go enjoy yourselves and your families, take a long vacation and buy that vacation home" Thanks for your service!

31 posted on 07/30/2012 6:47:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kristinn

Obama is an idiot, but he also knows how hide from responsibility, like democrat. Once he claimed Executive Privilege, the congressional investigation was over. It wil be years, if EVER, before any more documents are produced.

This is probably the best they can do without getting the documents they need.


32 posted on 07/30/2012 6:47:59 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Venturer

Does anyone for a moment think that this stunning leak of a report might be a head fake to make those “5” think they are going to be the only ones held out to dry? Would you fall on Holder’s sword if you were ordered to do what this report says it did? Besides, they could all be exposed to murder charges.

I see it as a smoke out to people who are not willing to come out to tell what they know. Mellon has already done that and for doing so the Republicans hang him as the top conspirator?


33 posted on 07/30/2012 6:48:42 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: MileHi

I giess we will see, but who will they talk to, and will the media report it?


34 posted on 07/30/2012 6:49:32 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: mazda77

Correction; Melson, not Mellon


35 posted on 07/30/2012 6:51:37 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: MileHi
You think the five are just going to eat this and like it? They are going to talk.

Well they'd better have something to back it up. All are very aware, the first to squeal gets the deal.

Unless they cut a deal behind closed doors to take the fall, as long as no criminal charges are brought.

36 posted on 07/30/2012 6:51:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: struggle

How many of these 5 will stay alive?<<

News Flash: 5 killed at Ft Marcy Park Justice Dept. picnic!

The suspect..a Crazed White man whose DNA is linked to George Washington is still on the loose!

Film at 11 !


37 posted on 07/30/2012 6:58:54 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: mazda77

It’s not a head fake.

CIA was involved with this.

It’s going nowhere.

A CIA rendition plane crash landed with over 6000 pounds of Sinaloa Cocaine. A plane that had been sold twice just before the crash.

F&F didn’t happen without CIA knowledge.


38 posted on 07/30/2012 6:59:15 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: kristinn

Gun Control for the little folk!

But we are the Federal Government. We’re giving ‘em away to hoodlums and potential terrorists across the border....

... AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING!


39 posted on 07/30/2012 6:59:35 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Venturer
They will talk to Issas people and no, the media hasn't reported jack squat. The slimes is reporting this only because it sounds good for withHolder and Barry. I don't take this as the whole story by any means.

I have been hearing naysayers since this started. But Issa keeps plugging away. This isn't over.

40 posted on 07/30/2012 6:59:59 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mazda77

I don’t know what to think.
I am too pissed to think.

But I bet in a month we will hear no more from Mr. Issa.


41 posted on 07/30/2012 7:03:31 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: dragnet2
Unless they cut a deal behind closed doors to take the fall, as long as no criminal charges are brought.

Hope not. Why would they take the fall and destroy their careers and reputations (such as they are for ATF guys)? If they do someone needs to look at their bank accounts for large deposits.

42 posted on 07/30/2012 7:05:07 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Venturer

Yup... exactly. Anothed bend over and “thankyou sir may i have another”.


43 posted on 07/30/2012 7:08:54 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: DanMiller

I think you’re right. This is not the end of reports, just the ATF portion, DOJ to follow.

Issa has been a bulldog on this for a long time. He’s not gonna let go.


44 posted on 07/30/2012 7:16:09 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MileHi

Funny..they came out of Phoenix....ARIZONA!

hMMMM..


45 posted on 07/30/2012 7:17:54 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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It’s also a big deal that this is an LAT story.

I see this event as very good news for those following the F&F scandal.


46 posted on 07/30/2012 7:18:03 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I agree, yet you really have to read the whole article to get the most important parts. They like to bury those and not focus on them, but they are reporting it nonetheless.


47 posted on 07/30/2012 7:24:33 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore. We were duped.)
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To: Venturer

Yep. You are so right.

Same reason the spineless pubbies did the the whole Lewinsky thing. They didn’t have the stones to deal with *treason* in the White House.

A bunch of enablers. May as well have committed the crimes themselves.


48 posted on 07/30/2012 7:26:11 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Venturer

#20 nails it. If there is any other explanation that even remotely makes sense, I’d like to hear it.

What I don’t understand is how so many people can watch as others get thrown under the bus and then stand in line for the same treatment. Maybe this is like a person who dates an adulterer and thinks “he/she won’t cheat on me.”


49 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:26 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: D-fendr

>>Issa has been a bulldog on this for a long time.<<

There never was any intention of sending anyone to prison. The was a dog and pony show which gave the far right conservatives something to hold on to while Zero and his crew ripped the Constitution to shreds.

As long as a few people held a shred of hope that justice would be delivered and Holder would be jailed they would resist putting Zero and crew on trial for treason.

Guess what? IT WORKED! A simple distraction stunt held the FR.com website at bay. That what the Dims will call successful mission.


50 posted on 07/30/2012 7:53:22 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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