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Obama And Romney Are Wrong: Outsourcing Is Actually America At Its Best
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| 07/28/2012
| Harry Binswanger
Posted on 07/28/2012 4:02:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Toddsterpatriot
We have unlimited energy sources in the U.S. . It’s better to develop these energy source to create jobs and industry Here in the U.S.A. That’s better than importing anything. We have unlimited oil,oil shale , natural gas ,coal etc. And you free traitors call drilling for our own oil etc. you call this idiocy . look in the mirror.
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posted on
07/30/2012 7:54:56 AM PDT
by
rurgan
(Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
To: rurgan
Now I want to remove all trade restrictions with China? Jeepers, where do you guys come up with this stuff?
If the stated policy aim is to save jobs and increase domestic manufacturing, then cut taxes across the board. Don't expect some government bureaucrat to choose which of your taxes he needs to raise, and which industry he wants to favor over another. Which is all tariffs do . . . even protectionists admit to as much.
To: SeekAndFind
I disagree w this 1000000%.
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posted on
07/30/2012 8:06:25 AM PDT
by
GlockThe Vote
(The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
To: Toddsterpatriot
I think we should cut corporate tax rates to 20% or lower,
but until we reach that noble goal - if ever - I am totally cool with off shoring our entire manufacturing base to the third world and/or communist countriesFixed with your true intent.
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posted on
07/30/2012 8:12:41 AM PDT
by
central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: rurgan
Let's just say, for example, that the President places a moratorium on offshore drilling, and regulates the coal industry out of existence. How does placing a tariff on imported oil and imported coal increase domestic production?
We know that it will take more money out of your wallet and give it him . . . .
To: 1rudeboy
How does placing a tariff on imported oil and imported coal increase domestic production?It causes inflation(pain) and unmasks the true costs of a stupid policy. Off shoring eliminates the inflation(pain) and is heroin to the economy. Tariffs restores the pain.
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posted on
07/30/2012 8:21:41 AM PDT
by
central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
And how does a higher rate of inflation increase domestic employment and production? Run it by me again.
To: 1rudeboy
And how does a higher rate of inflation increase domestic employment and production? Run it by me againSure it's simple, the high cost of energy, in this example, will cause the sheeple to actually react and apply political pressure on the professional political class. Then the stupid policy can be overturned and everything hopefully back to normal in the DOMESTIC energy sector. See wasn't that hard was it?
When politics gets involved in domestic commerce, the solution has to be political also. Running into the arms of Communists is not a solution.
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posted on
07/30/2012 8:31:50 AM PDT
by
central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
Apart from some periodic caterwauling about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve on the part of the professional political class, there is nothing in the record that indicates your theory works.
And by that, I mean the greenies and the nimbys will continue along their path (and even welcome the higher prices), and the “drill here, drill now” folks would drill anyway in the absence of the higher prices.
To: 1rudeboy
there is nothing in the record that indicates your theory works. Research the USA, tariffs and the founding fathers.Oh yeah on more thing, and free trade has sure pressured pols into lowering corp tax rates. /sarcasm
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posted on
07/30/2012 8:47:27 AM PDT
by
central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: central_va
Now that I think about it, a significant portion of our professional political class would use the higher oil prices to call for more solar power, wind power,
etc.
And, our corporate income tax rate has fallen. Incidentally, during a period coinciding with free(r) trade. I'm not saying the two are directly correlated, but you don't appear to know what our corporate income tax rate is now, and what it used to be.
To: rurgan; All
Thanks for the ping and posting of those facts. I can only make a few comments now because reality calls.
Those who promote off shoring, outsourcing, importing 'guest' labor and goods made by neo-slaves forget that Marx promoted 'Free Trade', i.e. the unfettered movement of capital, labor and goods devoid of consideration of ethics and patriotism as way to fast track the spread of global communism.
Unwittingly some who fancy themselves on the right side of the aisle have have fallen prey to Cultural Marxism's stories for the right that include free movement of goods, persons, and capital, harmonization of living standards, jobs Americans can't / won't do, compassionate conservatism, profits 'uber alles', yada, yada, yada... These stories have been leading us to the same place as the stories for those on the left side of the aisle: destruction of the American economy, security, traditional culture, values and its pesky middle class under the tyranny of global communism administered by the WTO, UN, and their affiliates.
The damage done over that last 30+ years has been hidden until recently by manipulation of basic government stats, access to below market cheap credit, cheap, poorly made consumer goods, and 'experts' touting debt as good.
The results can bee seen in the blue lines of the charts below:
As to regulations, some forget crony capitalism aka fascism. Large global corporations have no problems with regulations as long as they can lend their expertise to their creation. What a great way to suppress competition!
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posted on
07/30/2012 9:05:46 AM PDT
by
khelus
To: khelus
The only people who believe that free trade will lead to a social revolution, as did Marx, are protectionists. And even not all protectionists are that stupid.
To: rurgan
Agreed on all your points.
Free Trade is an article of faith to some on this site.
I don’t know how anyone can think allowing our country to be destroyed is a conservative principle.
America first in all things. Free trade among the states (the states of this republic). Favored trading relations with our best allies. This list can change with time but pretty much includes the major English-speaking countries, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (when they behave themselves). You could probably include Japan and a few other countries in the favored trading block. These allies have proven themselves over time. They deserve greater access to our markets. Bilateral trading relations (quid pro quo) with most other countries in the world. Moderate tariffs and bilateral agreements should be applied with this group. Finally, very limited trading and heavy tariffs with any other country not making the first two lists. My beliefs are the traditional view of trade which made this country strong. Sorry, it’s not a conservative principle to give favored trading status to countries who are hostile to our national security.
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posted on
07/30/2012 9:30:59 AM PDT
by
3Fingas
(Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
To: 3Fingas
The United States has free trade agreements with the following countries:
Australia
Bahrain
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guatemala
Honduras
Israel
Jordan
Korea
Mexico
Morocco
Nicaragua
Oman
Peru
Singapore
To: 3Fingas
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posted on
07/30/2012 9:43:46 AM PDT
by
central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: SeekAndFind
To write this kind of drivel is insane, are these the talking points of the Trilateral Commission???? No country can survive and prosper without a balanced economy and that means a strong manufacturing base.
Without a balanced economy there is no strong middle-class.
We cannot as a country have our GDP dependent on the consumer making up 70% of it by buying imported merchandise and we cannot be strong by trying to transition to a service economy.
I strongly feel a reset is coming, probably in the form of a economic collapse and/or a bond default.
China is slowing dramatically, Europe cannot buy it's goods and we won't be able either soon enough which means that China's big money surplus won't mean squat.
To: SeekAndFind
"Well, no. Not in a thousand years. The fear of outsourcing and international trade is economic nonsense and moral blindness. More than that: this anti-profit attitude is un-American. "No Harry putting money before country is unpatriotic. This is patriotic.
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posted on
07/30/2012 9:52:01 AM PDT
by
ex-snook
(without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
To: 1rudeboy
Corrupt politicians of both parties have ceded authority to the World Trade Organization. We may not technically have free trade with China or other countries hostile to our national interests, but since we are now subject to the dictates of the WTO, that is the practical effect.
As for this list provided, some of these countries deserve a favored trading status with the US, but none should have unfettered access...nobody deserves that.
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posted on
07/30/2012 10:00:43 AM PDT
by
3Fingas
(Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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