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Storms Threaten Ozone Layer Over U.S., (Harvard) Study Says (More Global Warming Alarmists)
NY Time ^ | 7-26-2012 | Henry Fountain

Posted on 07/27/2012 8:15:37 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

Strong summer thunderstorms that pump water high into the upper atmosphere pose a threat to the protective ozone layer over the United States, researchers said on Thursday, drawing one of the first links between climate change and ozone loss over populated areas.

In a study published online by the journal Science, Harvard University scientists reported that some storms send water vapor miles into the stratosphere — which is normally drier than a desert — and showed how such events could rapidly set off ozone-destroying reactions with chemicals that remain in the atmosphere from CFCs, refrigerant gases that are now banned.

The risk of ozone damage, scientists said, could increase if global warming leads to more such storms.

“It’s the union between ozone loss and climate change that is really at the heart of this,” said James G. Anderson, an atmospheric scientist and the lead author of the study.

For years, Dr. Anderson said, he and other atmospheric scientists were careful to keep the two concepts separate. “Now, they’re intimately connected,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 07/27/2012 8:15:40 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

GASP!!!!! WE’RE HAVING SUMMER STORMS!!!! OH THE GREAT MANATEE!!!


2 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:27 AM PDT by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Maybe Obama will give a few hundred Million to prove it or enough money to fake his theory


3 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:44 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: Sir Napsalot

So in the ‘30s, when there were more storms than now, there was less ozone?

How did they survive? Or did the lack ofozone cause the Depression?


4 posted on 07/27/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Sir Napsalot

We’re not producing enough ozone!!!

I knew we shouldn’t have oursourced our manufacturing.


5 posted on 07/27/2012 8:22:26 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Sir Napsalot

If it’s not the drought, it’s the thunderstorms. The globalist warmers and anti carbon nuts are having their day in the sun. If at first they don’t succeed with a scam, they try again, over and over until people’s brains are saturated with their nonsense. Weather happens, and the environment changes. The one constant that we can all count on is that liberals lie.


6 posted on 07/27/2012 8:28:05 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Sir Napsalot

Hey he’s a “scientist” at < gasp> Harvard. So sit down and stfu, you insignificant semiliterate redneck. You need to larn to respect y’all’s betters.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 8:28:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
>>> The findings were based on sound science, Dr. Anderson (Lead scientist) and other experts said, but much more research is needed ....

Every study has this theme emerges, I am starting to suspect a pattern here ...../

8 posted on 07/27/2012 8:29:09 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: scooby321
chemicals that remain in the atmosphere from CFCs,

Freon is heavy like propane. It is liquid at -30 F so how does it get up there, and what keeps it from falling to lower altitudes?

9 posted on 07/27/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)

The stratospheric turbosydes swirl them upward where the miniscule solid water vaporides make an ionic attraction capture. These super molecules then oxidize and attract the extra oxygen atom thus destroying the ozone layer.

Ot at least I think that is what is likely happening


10 posted on 07/27/2012 8:44:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: pallis
"The globalist warmers and anti carbon nuts are having their day in the sun. "

This is the real reason that the weatheristic Frozone levels are all kerfluffled. Move them into the shade and give them an iced tea with a mint sprig (is that all right, Grammy Bloomberg?).
11 posted on 07/27/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: bert

Fine, you THINK the scenario you described is happening. Is there someplace you could direct us that proves this, and I don’t mean some computer model?


12 posted on 07/27/2012 8:51:06 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Sir Napsalot

any study from any liberal college or university is full of lies and lies and lies.....


13 posted on 07/27/2012 8:56:35 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Sir Napsalot

Funny how nobody mentions that the ozone layer is something that is in a constant state of decay AND regeneration.

Ozone is O-3... a very unstable form of Oxygen.

It is generated by open sparks (such as lightning), and the interraction between ultraviolet light (sun) and O2 (oxygen)

Ozone when generated quickly (within minutes to 2 hrs) loses one of it’s 3 oxygen atoms to become O-2 again. Free radicals of oxygen (O-1) quickly find another O-1 or other carbon based molecules to bond with.

O-3 itself is heavier than O-2 and will sink through the air until it dissipates... so the ozone layer is really nothing more than an altitude at which the generation of O-3 is optimized based upon levels of ultraviolet light and oxygen in the air.

Yes... the ozone layer IS being destroyed... completely... over and over again.

But what they don’t tell you is that it is rebuilding itself at the same rate.

We CANNOT destroy the ozone layer... PERIOD.
We would have to put out the sun and/or suck out all of the oxygen from our atmosphere.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 9:30:50 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Sir Napsalot

If government grant money dried up, we would see a lot less of this nonsense.


15 posted on 07/27/2012 9:33:08 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Safrguns

OOOOO - you used FACTS and real SCIENCE — you know that’s not approved without being able to point to a degree from some high-powered and overpriced university. /s

Good post with basic science and chemistry that should be understood by most so they’re not suckered into believing the alarmists.


16 posted on 07/27/2012 9:52:19 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Safrguns

>>> We would have to put out the sun and/or suck out all of the oxygen from our atmosphere.

Shhh, or THEY will ask for more funding for such research.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 10:04:10 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: 1raider1

It is a joke........ made up from thin air.

It is a fun game to make up stuff as phony as the moonbats do every day 24/7


18 posted on 07/27/2012 11:32:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

Sorry I flamed ya. I didn’t read your post closely enough. Good on you!


19 posted on 07/27/2012 12:37:39 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Sir Napsalot

That’s it! Let’s outlaw storms.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 1:02:53 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Sir Napsalot
...pose a threat to the protective ozone layer over the United States,...

WHAT? I thought it was R-12 Freon and Primatine Mist?

21 posted on 07/27/2012 1:07:56 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: bert
There is no wind above 60,000 feet.

There is no turbulence at the altitudes of the ozone level.

Freon is a heavy gas which would sink at high altitudes if it ever got up there.

There are no scientific papers or studies which document that Freon can get to high altitude.

If it can't get to the altitude of the ozone, all the theories claiming damage are Horse Pucky.

22 posted on 07/27/2012 1:39:08 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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Oh, good God! What's next? Cats and dogs living together???

These people should hang their heads in shame, or maybe return their U.S. government grants.

How much crap do these f$#@king people expect me to f@#$ing believe???

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23 posted on 07/27/2012 10:00:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: WVNan

24 posted on 07/27/2012 10:06:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Dan(9698)

Freon is not the only CFC. However, I do remember something to the effect that at least one of those chemicals actually settles rather than rises.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 10:10:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
How much crap do these f$#@king people expect me to f@#$ing believe???
They believe it, so have no trouble believing that you should believe it, too.

WARNING: They also believe they are smart, educated, and informed; and that any disagreement is uninformed, uneducated, stupid, capitalistic, homophobic racism.

26 posted on 07/27/2012 10:24:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: WVNan
LOL The greatest of all manatees and liars.

The sweet smell after a thunderstorm is OZONE created by lightning.
Thunderstorms generate OZONE not destroy it.

27 posted on 07/27/2012 11:01:23 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Do you see any CFC filled balloons at carnivals?

They are filled with Helium for a reason.

Freon is the only one that was banned, yet there are no studies cited that show how it is possible to get up to the level where the ozone is.

Every article on CFCs destroying ozone presumes the CFCs are already there. That is why the articles are Horse Pucky.

28 posted on 07/28/2012 2:32:45 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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