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Michael Moore: Guns Today ‘Not Really’ What Founding Fathers Meant When They Said..
The Blaze ^ | 7/25/2012 | Erica Ritz

Posted on 07/25/2012 7:07:23 PM PDT by antidemoncrat

Michael Moore said on Piers Morgan Tuesday night that the founding Fathers would have omitted the right to bear arms from the Bill of Rights if they would have known how much guns would modernize in the coming centuries.

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Poor Michael seems to be suffering from terminal stupidity.
1 posted on 07/25/2012 7:07:29 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: antidemoncrat

I was hoping no one would wake up fatboy. He had been quiet for quite some time.


2 posted on 07/25/2012 7:09:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Cuba has Gun Control

Well Bye

3 posted on 07/25/2012 7:11:44 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: antidemoncrat
Hey mikey... you have no standing to bring forth any opinion on this subject... you are ignorant and uneducated. It is amazing that you can stand at all... fat a$$!

LLS

4 posted on 07/25/2012 7:12:38 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: antidemoncrat

And what the Founders really meant by “freedom of speech” was political speech, not every filthy thing that media perverts can think of to pollute our culture. So let’s clean up that misunderstanding of the First Amendment before we reconsider the Second.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 7:12:48 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: antidemoncrat

For the life of me I really don’t understand why anyone cares what Michael Moore thinks.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 7:13:15 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: antidemoncrat

Please forgive me Father but I would dance a jig on this fat bastage’s grave when his final “secret” double Whopper with Chesse and super sized fries pushes him in to a fatal blocked artery.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 7:14:05 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: antidemoncrat
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Trenche Coxe, founding father.

/johnny

8 posted on 07/25/2012 7:14:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: antidemoncrat

Dear Fat Mikey,

An armed citizenry is exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind. The Socialist movement in this day and age (dangerously approaching tyranny) is exactly why the Founding Fathers wanted an armed citizenry.


9 posted on 07/25/2012 7:15:11 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: antidemoncrat

Actually, even a broken clock is right twice a day. The founders meant we should have weapons sufficient to overthrow a tyranny. So the limits should be more like crew-served weapons up through artillery, Tanks and AFVs, and for those who can afford it, attack helicopters, fighters, and bombers.

Watch a liberal’s head explode when you suggest THAT. . . (evil grin)


10 posted on 07/25/2012 7:15:44 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Tenche Coxe.

Dammit.

11 posted on 07/25/2012 7:16:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: antidemoncrat
The Constitution gives Congress the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal to US citizens. That means that I can get a note from Congress authorizing me to make war against a foreign country in the name of the United States on land or sea with the weapons I own. It was used most often to authorize ship captains to capture enemy ships. To do that you needed a lot more than a single shot musket. You needed cannons and lots of them. That was the top of the line military weapon at the time, Mikey.
12 posted on 07/25/2012 7:16:36 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: antidemoncrat
the Founding Fathers wanted “We the People” to be armed with the current weapons of the day...if they were still in charge, machine-guns would not be a problem to them...
13 posted on 07/25/2012 7:16:57 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: antidemoncrat
Uh huh. Pizza Boy is channeling Alexander Hamilton now. He can rest assured that even if they had been able to anticipate the bovine stupidity that issues forth from his own mouth, they'd still have been for the First Amendment anyway.

But there actually isn't a great deal of doubt as to how they really did feel, and if Pizza Boy wanted to learn that instead of piously wondering in front of the cameras, all he'd have to do is use his library card.

14 posted on 07/25/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: antidemoncrat

I suspect the founding fathers had a vision of Michael Moore et al when they declared that everyone should be armed.


15 posted on 07/25/2012 7:19:36 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: antidemoncrat
Michael Moore said on Piers Morgan Tuesday night that the founding Fathers would have omitted the right to bear arms from the Bill of Rights if they would have known how much guns would modernize in the coming centuries.

Oh, I see. So, the Founding Fathers were short sighted idiots and it will take Moore and his crowd to shape the next 200+ years of this country with all their communist enlightenment.
Got it.

/FUMM

16 posted on 07/25/2012 7:21:42 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: antidemoncrat

The left doesn’t want a “militia” to form, as a militia fights government tyranny.

Moore, obviously, was there at the creation of the Bill Of Rights and is the only one who knows what the amendment actually means.

Hell, we don’t need a Constitution or a Supreme Court with Obama and Michael Moore around.

This delirious fat body needs to move to Cuba.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 7:22:16 PM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
He had been quiet for quite some time.

Apparently he knows enough to not talk with his mouth full.
18 posted on 07/25/2012 7:22:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: antidemoncrat

What they meant was that citizens should have the same kind of arms as any opposing force against them. The simple guns back then were the equivalent of modern guns today. Also it wasn’t just limited to guns, “arms” means swords, knives, clubs, maces, etc. Whatever was considered conventional weapons.

Mikey must have went to publik skool.


19 posted on 07/25/2012 7:24:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Salgak
The state of the law at the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights was that private individuals could and did own field artillery pieces capable of tossing a 42 pound hunk of lead a very long way.

For all intents and purposes the Constitution favors having the very biggest and most dangerous weapons in private hands!

20 posted on 07/25/2012 7:25:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: antidemoncrat

21 posted on 07/25/2012 7:26:59 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: Secret Agent Man
In the days of old when knights were bold the right to keep and bear arms was limited to the nobles and their men at arms.

Besides saying someone had a right to keep swords, etc., it also meant you, as a noble, had a right to defend yourself in court.

Jews generally didn't have that right ~ their history can tell you all you need to know about what that meant@!

22 posted on 07/25/2012 7:27:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Michael Barnes

Under this logic they may also may have not let the army and navy be armed, given the nuclear bombs we’ve built and used that they couldn’t have forseen, because that could make it impossible for people to topple an oppressive government.


23 posted on 07/25/2012 7:27:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Hey Michael!

What “gift” do you claim, that we should even consider your assessment regarding what the founding fathers “really meant”?

Are you an American History major?
Perhaps you studied Constitutional Law?

The observable facts are that you HATE America, and the Constitution.
So why would anyone pay attention to you?


24 posted on 07/25/2012 7:28:59 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks for the quote!


25 posted on 07/25/2012 7:32:09 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: antidemoncrat

“Michael Moore said on Piers Morgan Tuesday night”

The double dumb-ass episode!


26 posted on 07/25/2012 7:33:25 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: antidemoncrat

I fully support Michael’s right to amend the US Constitution if he can convince enough Americans to agree the 2nd Amendment is outdated. Maybe he’s even right. Maybe the founders didn’t envision powerful, modern weapons. It’s really as simple as that. The US Constitution isn’t written in stone. It’s flexible. All one has to do is convince enough people to vote to change it.

(That, of course, would take too much work for the likes of Michael and most liberals. That’s why they opt for judicial fiat.)


27 posted on 07/25/2012 7:35:07 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: antidemoncrat

One of the things that I love about brain dead liberals is that they are always complaining about how outdated the US Constitution is, but none of these cowards have the audacity to try to get it amended.

Liberals know they would never get any of their stuff passed, so the US Constitution is not really outdated after all.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 7:36:12 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: kevcol

Hey! When did he shave? Heck, how does he find enough time in a day to shave all that real estate?


29 posted on 07/25/2012 7:36:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Alright, I’ll play. Since the founding fathers could never have envisioned the Internet, does that mean that the press should be limited to hand powered, moveable type printing presses?


30 posted on 07/25/2012 7:37:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: scooby321

Which is exactly what idiots like MM want.


31 posted on 07/25/2012 7:39:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: CitizenUSA

I think the reason they used the word “Arms” is evidence that they did foresee advances in weapons. Also means they did not restrict the right to only guns. It also includes knives, swords, spears or any other personal arms.


32 posted on 07/25/2012 7:39:29 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Salgak

That deserves a re-post BTTT
The only limitation on citizens to bear arms is the limitation of their pocket book.

On the other hand, ATF seems to be engaging in an Obamaguns program for illegals.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Michael who? Is he an important figure in the mess? Or is he just another fat liberal slob who was made rich and famous by the lowlife of this planet?


34 posted on 07/25/2012 7:40:45 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: antidemoncrat

If I had to make a list of the most vile, and personally repugnant creatures on earth, there would be a special place for Moore.


35 posted on 07/25/2012 7:42:01 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: LibLieSlayer

Mikey, the founding fathers didn’t realize that there
would be citizens who would have a use for
Automatic Machine Spoons either.


36 posted on 07/25/2012 7:42:46 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Guns of today are exactly what the Founders meant the citizens of today to have. I don’t expect Michael to understand the reason for the 2nd Amendment, but suffice it to say that it wasn’t written to protect hunter’s rights. ...Think government oppression, people who will march fat Michaels off to a butter churn.


37 posted on 07/25/2012 7:44:36 PM PDT by pallis
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To: antidemoncrat
Yeah, a mechanical illiterate such as Franklin or Jefferson
would have no idea that guns would evolve.
38 posted on 07/25/2012 7:44:56 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: antidemoncrat

If the Founders knew about Moore, they’d have set up a direct one-way route to North Korea for him.


39 posted on 07/25/2012 7:46:23 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: antidemoncrat

So the stupid fat a$$ is channeling The Founding Fathers?


40 posted on 07/25/2012 7:46:35 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: antidemoncrat
Well, Michael, the founding fathers probably would have omitted the right to free speech if they'd known about Roger & Me, Fahrenheit 911, and Capitalism: A Love Story.
41 posted on 07/25/2012 7:49:32 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: antidemoncrat

He’s suffering from the virulant liberal strain of skullcrushing stupidity.


42 posted on 07/25/2012 7:53:43 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: antidemoncrat

The average IQ of the entire USA would jump 20 points if Michael Moore were to drop dead.


43 posted on 07/25/2012 7:57:20 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: antidemoncrat

The glorious part of using the word “arms” in the Bill of Rights, is that they didn’t say “muskets” or “our 1700s rifles”, they said ...

ARMS

... which means “whatever the military is carrying.”


44 posted on 07/25/2012 7:57:35 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

THANK YOU!

When my LIB B-I-L pulled the Second Amendment referred to Muskets argument, I pulled the Printing Press “problem” on him. He was not happy.

He changed the subject. Actually, his Wife walked into the room and changed the subject.


45 posted on 07/25/2012 7:59:18 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: yarddog

You could be right that the founders meant arms to mean just about anything. Regardless, every American has an opinion on guns. The 2nd Amendment, on the other hand, is quite clear. Anyone who thinks “assault” weapons should be banned needs to amend the US Constitution. Opinion is meaningless. It comes down to following the clear intent or rewriting it, and the amendment process is also very clearly defined.

The same thing happens all the time with so-called Christians. Leftists sometimes claim to be Christian, but they invariably pick and choose what Bible verses they support. Unfortunately for them, the Bible doesn’t have an amendment process. It means what it says, and if you don’t agree, you aren’t a Christian.

The US Constitution is also pretty straightforward. Commerce between the states, for example, means literally commerce (commercial transactions) between states. It doesn’t mean the federal government has the right to regulate anything that might somehow be related to or affect commerce somewhere within the states.

The 2nd Amendment is the same. I don’t know why this militia crap is such a big deal, because it’s clear from the text that private citizens are supposed to be allowed to bear arms.

Unfortunately the left has warped the US Constitution so much that even they can’t figure out where to draw the lines anymore. It still comes down to this: if you don’t agree with something in the constitution, write an amendment and convince enough Americans to pass it. That, my FRiend, is how civil people change the law.


46 posted on 07/25/2012 8:02:13 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: antidemoncrat

The second amendment was intentionally put in a document that exists for no other purpose than to give rights to the people and to counter federal power.


47 posted on 07/25/2012 8:03:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: IrishPennant
Please forgive me Father but I would dance a jig on this fat bastage’s grave when his final “secret” double Whopper with Chesse and super sized fries pushes him in to a fatal blocked artery.

That'd be "sooey"cide.

48 posted on 07/25/2012 8:07:44 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: loboinok

>He’s suffering from the virulant liberal strain of skullcrushing stupidity.<

No, Michael McGramsci knows exactly what he’s saying. He just got caught.


49 posted on 07/25/2012 8:13:09 PM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: antidemoncrat

The 2nd amendment doesn’t say keep and bear “guns”, it says “arms”.

In those days, cannons were considered “arms”.

What’s the whale’s point again?


50 posted on 07/25/2012 8:15:03 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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