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Democrats warn Rep. Paul's 'audit the Fed' bill will politicize monetary policy
The Hill ^ | 07/24/12 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 07/24/2012 4:29:25 PM PDT by markomalley

Several senior House Democrats warned that passing a bill from Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) requiring a full audit of the Federal Reserve Board's monetary policy decisions will allow Congress greater leverage to put political pressure on these decisions, which they said would cause serious problems in the U.S. and global financial markets.

The Federal Reserve Transparency Act, H.R. 459, was expected to come up for a vote Wednesday, and seemed poised for passage given its 270 co-sponsors, including nearly four dozen Democrats. Nonetheless, many Democrats used the Tuesday floor debate to warn about the chances that Congress might use the audit to politicize monetary policy decisions.

"This bill would instead jeopardize the Fed's independence by subjecting its decisions on interest rates and monetary policy to GAO audit," said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). "I agree with [Fed] Chairman [Ben] Bernanke that congressional review of the Fed's monetary policy decisions would be a 'nightmare scenario,' especially judging by the track record of this Congress when it comes to governing effectively.

"Unfortunately … we in Congress have shown too frequently our inability in a political environment to make tough choices," Hoyer said.

House Financial Services Committee ranking member Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said that while he doubts the bill would ever become law, raising the prospects of congressional interference with the Fed could create significant uncertainty for participants in the financial markets.

"They will see it as political interference, not with the contracting procedures, not with the budget, not with how many cars they have, but with how they decide on interest rates," he said. "And the perception that the Congress is going to politicize the way in which interest rates are set will in itself have a destabilizing effect."

Frank and Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.) also accused Republicans of using the audit to attack the Fed's legal mandate to maintain a low unemployment rate, as well as stable interest rates.

Some Democrats, such as Reps. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and William Clay (D-Mo.), sided with Republicans, who argued that the bill would bring transparency to the Fed's decision and give all Americans a greater understanding of the Fed's activities. While the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law expands the auditing of the Fed, it does not apply to the Fed's monetary policy decisions, which the GOP said is a shortcoming.

"GAO remains restricted under the current law from conducting a broader audit of the Fed that includes, for instance, a review of the Fed's monetary policy operations, and its agreements with foreign governments and central banks," said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

"In recent years, the Fed's extraordinary interventions into the economy's fiscal markets have led some to call into question its independence," he added. "We do not ask for an audit for that reason, we ask for an audit because the American people ultimately must be able to hold the Fed accountable, and to do so, they must know at least in retrospect what the Fed has done over these many years."

Rep. Paul, the bill's sponsor, rejected the argument that more information would politicize the Fed.

"To say that we should have secrecy and say that it's political to have transparency … well, it's very political when you have a Federal Reserve that can bail out one company and not another company," Paul said. "That's pretty political.

"I think when people talk about independence and having this privacy of the central bank means they want secrecy, and secrecy is not good," Paul added. "We should have privacy for the individual, but we should have openness of government all the time, and we've drifted a long way from that."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2012issues; audit; bernanke; fed; fedisnottheproblem; hr459; ronpaul; stupidaudit; stupidparty; stupidpolitics; thefed
From the Daily Caller:

Kucinich: Federal Reserve ‘acts like it’s some kind of high exalted priesthood’ [VIDEO]

Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich wants Congress to pass a bill sponsored by Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul that would give the Government Accountability Office the authority to fully audit the Federal Reserve, which Kucinich says “acts like it’s some kind of high exalted priesthood.”

“This is all about disclosure and accountability. You know, the Fed’s not some kind of hocus pocus, black box operation. The Fed essentially supplants the constitutional mandate in Article 1, Section 8, that belongs to the Congress of the United States,” Kucinich said in a speech on the House floor Tuesday.

“Let’s look at some recent history here. 2008: subprime meltdown, collateralized debt obligation, go back for mortgage-backed securities, neighborhoods in Cleveland melting down, people losing their homes. The Fed looked the other way and we’re saying, ‘oh, don’t go into the Fed, it would be political.’ Yes, it’s political. We have unemployment because of politics. We have people losing their homes because of politics. We have banks getting uncalculated amounts of money from the Federal Reserve and we don’t even know about it. Meanwhile people can’t get a loan to keep their home or keep their business.”

In their speeches on the House floor Tuesday, Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer and Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Barney Frank said they oppose the legislation.

Despite this, Kucinich said: “you bet we should audit the Fed. We have to have accountability.”

“It’s time that Congress stood for its constitutional role: Article 1, Section 8, the power to coin or create money. It’s time we stood up for America’s 99 percent,” said Kucinich. “It’s time that we stood up to the Federal Reserve that right now acts like it’s some kind of high exalted priesthood, unaccountable in a democracy.”


1 posted on 07/24/2012 4:29:31 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I dare them to say that with a straight face.


2 posted on 07/24/2012 4:35:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: markomalley

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/audit-the-fed-bill-on-tra_n_1698062.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


3 posted on 07/24/2012 4:39:47 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: markomalley

Auditing the institutions that spend public monies. What a novel concept.


4 posted on 07/24/2012 4:42:26 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: markomalley

We need to give Congress more control over the Fed’s day to day decision making, because they’ve done such a good job with their spending authority.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 4:44:06 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

>>I dare them to say that with a straight face.

We borrow money we can’t repay to fund “programs” designed to make Americans dependent and buy votes for Democrats.

I’d say that the monetary policy is already politicized.

Fortunately for Dems, they are insane and can easily say that monetary policy is not politicized. Being batsh!t crazy means you can say anything with a straight face.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 4:46:29 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: markomalley

And they have a cow about “privatizing” social security....


7 posted on 07/24/2012 4:48:07 PM PDT by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: markomalley
"GAO remains restricted under the current law from conducting a broader audit of the Fed that includes, for instance, a review of the Fed's monetary policy operations, and its agreements with foreign governments and central banks," said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

Sounds like Issa has a new project to undertake once Holder and gang have been renditioned to Guant.

8 posted on 07/24/2012 4:53:38 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: markomalley

“If you want to keep monetary policy non-political, you’ve got to continue to let our side rob you blind.”


9 posted on 07/24/2012 4:55:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Bryanw92

I’d say monetary policy was politicized when we established the Fed in the first place.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 4:57:36 PM PDT by SkiKnee
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To: markomalley

These guys are running the perfect crony capitalist con and now Ron Paul want to horn in on their racket and politicize it. Fer Chrissakes, that is what politics is at its best, an argument about how best to use public resources. Sorry to turn your neat efficient racket into a public squabble. Really!


11 posted on 07/24/2012 5:11:39 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Steely Tom
“If you want to keep monetary policy non-political, you’ve got to continue to let our side rob you blind.”

Bingo. Financial markets can effectively create real wealth, if they cause useful resources to be distributed more efficiently than they otherwise would be. On the other hand, they can also be used to create huge amounts of imaginary wealth, which can then be exchanged for real wealth. The crooks in the markets are unfortunately very good at convincing people that imaginary wealth which is discovered to be, well, imaginary, represented real wealth up until the moment of such discovery.

The situation is somewhat analogous to a safe which has a deposit slot in the front, but whose bottom was drilled out by a thief. As long as people keep putting money in the safe but don't open it, it will be regarded as holding all the money that was put in. If on some particular day the safe is opened and found to be empty, people will perceive all the money as having been stolen on that day, notwithstanding the fact that the safe may have been empty for years. Even worse, many people would believe that since the act of opening the safe would destroy all the "money" that was in it, one can prevent such destruction by not opening the safe, and simply continuing to deposit money as though all is well.

12 posted on 07/24/2012 5:13:09 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: AndyJackson

Audit the federal reserve. Best concrete suggestion made by any politician. What say you Mitt?


13 posted on 07/24/2012 5:23:55 PM PDT by doc
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To: markomalley

One half of the Fed’s mission - to lift employment - IS political.

Fixing it’s mission might help take the political goals out of that mission.

Why does the political class want the existing political mission left in the Fed’s charter?

It’s the legal demand that the Fed go and try to counter all the bad effects that government policy has had on the economy, through manipulating the money supply and monetary values to pump back into the economy, through inflation, what government tax and regulatory policy has taken out. Start removing the later and you can remove the former.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 5:31:27 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I dare them to say that with a straight face.

Oh but they will!

The problem with dealing with an habitual liar is that in order to like, the first person one lies to is one-self: One must be convinced that the lie will work. Hence, successful liars always finds a way to believe their own falsehoods, usually by parsing and twisting ambiguities in words or idioms.

15 posted on 07/24/2012 5:53:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The sad fact is the track record of congress as bad as its been to monetary responsibly it doesn’t hold a candle to the Federal reserve.


16 posted on 07/24/2012 10:22:10 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The Fed has done a smash up job, too.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t because we have corrupt, self serving citizen of the world elitists who are treasonous, without real education, wisdom, and honor. Our goose is cooked no matter what happens.


17 posted on 07/24/2012 11:18:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Steely Tom

ROFL


18 posted on 07/25/2012 6:11:33 AM PDT by khelus
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To: SaraJohnson

It says a lot that the Fed uses core inflation devoid of the cost of necessities food and energy to evaluate the effectiveness of it’s policies.

The source of “I can’t eat my iPad”


19 posted on 07/25/2012 6:18:28 AM PDT by khelus
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To: SaraJohnson
The blue line ia a measure of how well the Fed has fulfilled its mandate of price stability after removing the 'enhancements' that changed the CPI from a measure of the cost of a set standard of living to the measure of a declining standard of living:


20 posted on 07/25/2012 6:28:53 AM PDT by khelus
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To: SaraJohnson
Her's another chart using 1931 dollars:


21 posted on 07/25/2012 6:35:41 AM PDT by khelus
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To: khelus

Would you say that a fair reading of that graph is to say that the difference between red & blue is how much ‘real’ inflation has been taking place?


22 posted on 07/25/2012 7:19:19 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: khelus
The blue line ia a measure

Based on what?

23 posted on 07/25/2012 7:21:08 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I dare them to say that with a straight face.

Chuckie Schumer did exactly that when he tole "The Ben Bernank" to "get to work."

24 posted on 07/25/2012 7:27:56 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: markomalley

Audit but terminate the Reserve. This is the biggest scam in world history, creating MOOTA (Money Out Of Thin Air). If you gave me the _right_ to loan money which I didn’t even have; I should be rich quickly or be dumb. Dumb like so many are to allow this high crime to continue.

Congress is told to own USA money as coinage by USC (period).

“That is to say, under the old way any time we wish to add to the national wealth we are compelled to add to the national debt.

Now, that is what Henry Ford wants to prevent. He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 that is what it amounts to, with interest. People who will not turn a shovelful of dirt nor contribute a pound of material will collect more money from the United States than will the people who supply the material and do the work. That is the terrible thing about interest. In all our great bond issues the interest is always greater than the principal. All of the great public works cost more than twice the actual cost, on that account. Under the present system of doing business we simply add 120 to 150 per cent, to the stated cost.

But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good.”
— Thomas Edison, via NYT


25 posted on 07/25/2012 8:49:10 AM PDT by veracious
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To: markomalley
I'm with the democrats on this one.

Paul is an idiot.

The Federal Reserve already is audited by Deloitte & Touche. Every dollar is accounted for.

Congress doesn't need to be looking over the shoulder of the FED second guessing their policy decisions.

The FED has kept year to year fluctuations in the dollar far more stable than year to year fluctuations under the gold standard which sometimes fluctuated 20% in a year.

The Fed has also avoided deflation which is associated with depressions, by targeting a small amount of inflation each year, which works well for business and everyone except those that want to hoard dollar bills in their mattress for 50 years instead of invest them.

Finally, the Fed didn't cause the debt, Congress did.

26 posted on 07/25/2012 9:26:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: veracious

Any loan creates money. It’s not the Federal Reserve. Every bank ever individual that loans creates money.

It works like this.
Sam has $200.

He loans it to Fred.

Sam now has a receivable of $200 and Fred has cash of $200 and a debt of $200. Voila Sam’s Receivable of $200 and Fred’s cash total $400, you’ve just printed money out of thin air.


27 posted on 07/25/2012 9:32:54 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Not even. The Reserve does not have the money it loans. Duh.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 10:14:16 AM PDT by veracious
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To: veracious
"Not even. The Reserve does not have the money it loans. Duh."

Sure it does. It's got loads of money due to the bank reserve requirement. Plus it collects interest on the money it loans and makes an enormous profit each year, which it turns over to the Federal Treasury.

29 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: markomalley
I just started Dr. Murray Rothbard’s book, “The Case Against the Fed”. The first chapter deals with just what the Democrats and others say, we must not interfere with The Fed.
Looks like a great book, written in 1995 but full of the history of The Fed and other things.
30 posted on 07/25/2012 10:34:54 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: veracious
By the way, here are the Federal Reserve audits for everyone to see.

Federal Reserve Audits.

And the Fed's annual report with audited financial statments (Auditors statement pg 341)

31 posted on 07/25/2012 10:42:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

To say we don’t see eye-to-eye is an understatment. This is the most important secular issue of our lives. You may believe what you wish, but the crisis which is engulfing the earth is MOOTA; i.e., sovereign debt. Many are going to have to find out the hard way.

“Lenin was certainly right, there is no more positive, or subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency ... The process engages all of the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner that not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”
— John Maynard Keynes, economic adviser to FDR


32 posted on 07/25/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by veracious
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To: veracious
True Sovereign debt is the issue.

But the Federal Reserve didn't create that debt, congress did. The Federal Reserve is the only group up there doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing and what the country needs from them.

The Federal Reserve doesn't buy federal securities so congress can run up the debt. They started buying them only once unemployment started soaring, and then to bring interest down, to get the economy back on track. Not doing so, would kill the patient in order to show congress they shouldn't have run up the debt like that.

Congress, the President, and the Judiciary have lost sight of our values.

And if you think Congress won't continue to borrow money on a gold standard and promise that your children will repay foreigners with gold, you better think again.

33 posted on 07/25/2012 11:23:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: veracious
Congress is the key, and Paul's Federal Reserve conspiracy side show is a distraction from the real problem.


34 posted on 07/25/2012 11:32:38 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: veracious
He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 that is what it amounts to, with interest.

Of course! When the government borrows money, they shouldn't have to pay interest. You should lend them your money, right away!

35 posted on 07/25/2012 11:35:50 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: All
Congress is only part of the problem. They and Reserve are like two drunks propping each other up. The configuration enables each to point to the other as the problem. Congress owns the issue via the USC but is deliberately obfuscating this with the Reserve. Further the Reserve uses the full good faith of USAians to it own benefit.

It is beyond belief that such a special group of people exist. They loan money they don't have and it must be paid back in real money. Let me see, if the _reserve_ rate is say %5, they have made 95%, even without the interest. Completely anti-Bible. If I tried to loan this way I'd be put in jail, so should they.

36 posted on 07/25/2012 11:42:18 AM PDT by veracious
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To: markomalley
Democrats warn Rep. Paul's 'audit the Fed' bill will politicize monetary policy

So? Do it anyway.

37 posted on 07/25/2012 11:43:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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