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Shocking: Reports Indicate Suspect of ‘Dark Knight’ Shootings Was a Camp Counselor
The Blaze ^ | July 21, 2012 | Erica Ritz

Posted on 07/21/2012 7:24:24 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Bill Dedman, an investigative reporter for msnbc.com, is reporting that the suspect in the horrifying shooting in Aurora, Colorado was a camp counselor in the summer of 2008 for underprivileged children in Glendale, California.

NBC News has more information:

Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles confirmed that [James] Holmes was a cabin counselor, responsible for 10 children at its Camp Max Straus for children ages 7 to 14 from Los Angeles. Holmes was then a 20-year-old student at the University of California, Riverside, and neighbors have said he was active in the Presbyterian church that the family attended. The camp is nonsectarian.

A statement from the group said, “His role was to [ensure] that these children had a wonderful camp experience by helping them learn confidence, self esteem and how to work in small teams to effect positive outcomes. These skills are learned through activities such as archery, horseback riding, swimming, art, sports and high ropes course.”

A fellow counselor told NBC News that Holmes seemed shy.

“The entire staff was really close, considering we lived together, except for James,” said the counselor, who asked that she not be named. “He really kept to himself and hardly ever went on any trips with the rest of the staff. He was very shy and reserved.”

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1 posted on 07/21/2012 7:24:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We need to ban Intelligence and Shyness.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 7:26:19 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Wow! Do these kids have a story for their grandchildren.

"When I was a kid, going to camp was so tough that we had a mass murderer for a camp counselor."

3 posted on 07/21/2012 7:28:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He must have had a psychotic break at some point. And there had to be indications of this - he needed hospitalization and meds and because he did not receive them, there was a massacre. But when he was working as a camp counselor, he really may not have been dangerous at that point.


4 posted on 07/21/2012 7:30:29 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I find it utterly shocking that some people who have normal experiences sometimes grow up and do bad things. There ought to be a law.


5 posted on 07/21/2012 7:30:41 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Paradox

No kidding. For every loner who goes ballistic, there are millions who never harm a flea. And sometimes there are the ones like the BTK killer, who have wives and kids, upstanding member of their church, have respectable jobs and all that, and it turns out they have an ugly secret.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 7:37:04 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My drill sergeant was in the same Basic Training Unit as Jeffrey Dahmer.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 7:40:36 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I believe that Democrat James Holmes (D-Aurora) had a psychotic break after seeing President Obama flounder in the polls.


8 posted on 07/21/2012 7:42:48 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Paradox
We need to ban Intelligence and Shyness.

and deport all Presbyterians

9 posted on 07/21/2012 7:43:00 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: scottjewell; Free ThinkerNY
He must have had a psychotic break at some point.

Or psychoactive drugs or meth.

10 posted on 07/21/2012 7:43:59 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Unabomber enjoyed Algore’s book.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We are going to find out about any connection to a church 5 years ago... how about what he was connected to in the last 2 or three years?


12 posted on 07/21/2012 7:45:21 PM PDT by BRL
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Next step community organizer.


13 posted on 07/21/2012 7:46:23 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Uncle Joe, the hero of the 11930s, 1940s and 50s progressives, was once a divinity student!


14 posted on 07/21/2012 7:46:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Bath salts


15 posted on 07/21/2012 7:47:10 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t understand what is so shocking about him being a counselor.

What is shocking is that he went off the rails in college.

He seemed to have wanted to hurry up everything and get to college and then the disillusionment of his dream set in.

It was no magic bullet to get him a nice job away from the parents and on his own.

He was still awkward, geeky and didn’t have friends or a girlfriend and now he was losing his one thing—being known as a brainiac. Nope, he was failing in Colorado.

He failed and today’s ‘everybody gets a trophy’ world, he didn’t know how to cope. So he made everybody pay. He won’t be going back home to live with mom and dad and now he is famous.

Now he has achieved something....


16 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:18 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Paradox

The camp is in my home town?!? I’m wondering if he grew up there? Anyone heard where the kid is from. Apparently his mom now lives in San Diego.


17 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:37 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Free ThinkerNY

When his mother was called, she immediately said that it no doubt was her son. It begs the question how many of his friends, teachers, fellow students and neighbors knew that this lunatic was dangerous and did nothing. A simple visit by the police may have changed history.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:49 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why is this shocking? I am as shocked to find this out as I am that Sanduski founded a home for wayward boys.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 7:51:13 PM PDT by Never on my watch (I'd rather light a candle than curse the flatulence.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Or a brain tumor.


20 posted on 07/21/2012 7:52:16 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: scottjewell

To me, one of the most telling reports was one of the first ones - his mother was reported on Drudge as saying, “You have the right guy.”

My guess is she’s been worrying about her son going off for some time, but family’s hands are often tied with situations like this.


21 posted on 07/21/2012 7:54:37 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: allendale

There is often to do. I have a lot of bipolar friends. They will be having major problems and the families BEG hospitals to take them in, and get refused.


22 posted on 07/21/2012 7:57:01 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: allendale

Whoops. That’s nothing you CAN do.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 7:58:00 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Never going to hear the end of this douchebag, are we?


24 posted on 07/21/2012 7:59:11 PM PDT by montag813
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To: FlyVet
For every loner who goes ballistic, there are millions who never harm a flea.

Yes, and I think trying to develop profiles for serial killers and mass murderers and other extreme criminals is mostly a waste of time. As you illustrate, whatever profile they come up with, for every one that commits an atrocious crime, tens of thousand, or hundreds of thousands, or more, of others who fit the profile never commit a single aggressive act, let alone a violent crime.

25 posted on 07/21/2012 8:08:32 PM PDT by Will88
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To: windcliff

Glendale ping.


26 posted on 07/21/2012 8:08:32 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: allendale

If they had “done something”, what might that have looked like? We are so concerned about our 4th Amendment rights these days that there are bound to be incidents like this and I’m willing to bet this won’t be the last one.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 8:10:51 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

“My drill sergeant was in the same Basic Training Unit as Jeffrey Dahmer.”

Oh my, I cannot pass this one up..... Does this mean that when the D.I. chewed your a$$, he literally chewed it? :-)


28 posted on 07/21/2012 8:11:21 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: I still care

I’m wondering how she knew.


29 posted on 07/21/2012 8:14:26 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
We are so concerned about our 4th Amendment rights these days that there are bound to be incidents like this and I’m willing to bet this won’t be the last one.

Are you sure you worded that right?

30 posted on 07/21/2012 8:14:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Sola Veritas

LOL!


31 posted on 07/21/2012 8:15:09 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: allendale

A simple visit by the police may have changed history.

***

... and what would the police say & do on such a visit?


32 posted on 07/21/2012 8:16:51 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

At my age, I’m never too sure about anything I write.


33 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:17 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: Kirkwood
Or a brain tumor.

What is the profile of someone
who listens to Techno-music ??

Tweekers???


34 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:22 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
If they had “done something”, what might that have looked like?

Bingo.

A lot of people want these tragedies to stop happening -- but the only way this stuff will ever really stop happening is if society is turned into a prison, and anyone who "might be different" is moved into solitary confinement.

Liberty means dealing with the imperfectness of human nature. If you give up freedom in order to acquire security, you will end up with neither freedom nor security.

35 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:53 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I dunno. What do you think I meant to say?


36 posted on 07/21/2012 8:19:00 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: scottjewell
That is why when they ask his mother..she said they had the right man.

My wife has 25 plus years in the field of taking care of SMI people. She says that at the last estimate, there are about 3 million people on the streets that are SMI with homicidal tendencies. As long as they are on their meds, they are fine. One problem though, since the funding for organizations that deal with these people is at a all time low, these people are left to their own devices and they often get off their meds because, they think since they feel fine, they not longer need them. That is where they really go off.

My wife was a case worker who's job was to go to these peoples places of residencies and actually make sure they took their meds. She had one, who's parents were supposed to do this and they didnt. The result is that he went off and took his dads pickup truck, rammed three private cars, rammed a cop car and tried to run over the cop, got onto the freeway and there was a hell of a chase for a while. They shot him-he survived, and they took him to the state farm for a intense tune up-yes, they actually call it that.

Both the Gifford shooter and this guy were SMI, homicidal and many have grand delusional symptoms. That is why he and the Gifford's shooter both smiled. They got attention and are actually got their jollys out of it. These people are also susceptible to outside influence and will ‘do it’ instead of talk about it. Remember Hinckly-they guy who shot Reagan?

37 posted on 07/21/2012 8:20:34 PM PDT by crz
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To: Past Your Eyes
At my age, I’m never too sure about anything I write.

I kind of figured you typed that in haste and didn't mean it to come out that way.

My eyes are so tired I had to reread it several times to make sure they weren't playing tricks on me.

38 posted on 07/21/2012 8:20:34 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Loner is definitely a risk category for people who eventually snap and slaughter others out of anger, loneliness, and jealousy.

I’m still waiting to hear if he was ADHD and given Ritalin or other psychotropic anti-depressant.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 8:21:24 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t think we will ever clearly understand what caused this guy to go postal. I’m not sure that most of us can understand what is not rational.

What I find scary is that there really is no way to prevent someone from going over the edge like this. Were it not firearms, he would have found other means....he did have numerous explosives prepared.

Also, now we will go through another ridiculous period like we do after one of these senseless events where everyone becomes hyper paranoid. Perfectly harmless persons will be harrassed by employers as “potential killers” because they are a little strange or “passionate” about and issue (notice I said passionate not violent - too many don’t understand the difference).


40 posted on 07/21/2012 8:21:49 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Paradox

Most of all, we need to ban quietness. They are ALWAYS quiet.


41 posted on 07/21/2012 8:22:21 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ClearCase_guy; Las Vegas Ron

That’s exactly what I was getting at. It’s been a long day for me. My annual old tractor show was today and I’m kinda tahred. Thanks.


42 posted on 07/21/2012 8:22:50 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: stylecouncilor

They should ban Glendale.


43 posted on 07/21/2012 8:22:50 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: ROTB

They can take him in for 72 hours for determination by a counselor. That is why the sheriff in the Giffords shooting was culpable. They knew that dude was unhinged and did nothing to stop it.


44 posted on 07/21/2012 8:23:49 PM PDT by crz
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m guessing the kid was a genius who crossed the line into madness. It’s not unheard of. Pythagoras, Nietzche, Tesla, Howard Hughes, etc.


45 posted on 07/21/2012 8:24:20 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Past Your Eyes
We are so concerned about our 4th Amendment rights these days that there are bound to be incidents like this and I’m willing to bet this won’t be the last one.

I interpret that as though you meant we hold 4th Amendment Rights too dear to prevent these types of occurrences from happening....the 4th being an impediment rather than a blessing.

46 posted on 07/21/2012 8:24:59 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Past Your Eyes; ClearCase_guy
My annual old tractor show was today and I’m kinda tahred. Thanks.

I figured as much.

Hope you get a good nights rest!

47 posted on 07/21/2012 8:26:57 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: crz

This is all so true. I do not know how he could have been detected or forced into treatment because as you say there are problems with funding, and how could his mother tell him what to do, I am sure he would not have listened anyway.

Yes, I do recall Hinkley and he definitely was proud of all the attention he got.

It seems also there was no way to prevent this. Who could have predicted this exact scenario, and we can’t have scanners and metal detectors at every movie theater. Really tragic and I do hope there will not be copycats (as was the case with Colombine).


48 posted on 07/21/2012 8:28:34 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: ROTB

Oh and BTW..the last meeting my wife attended, they determined that there are an estimated 3 million of these out on the streets.

We all can expect more of this, especially since they are not working and have all that time to ponder in their minds...if you know what I mean.

A lot of these people are actually at the genius level.


49 posted on 07/21/2012 8:28:42 PM PDT by crz
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To: Will88
Ever read the book "Mind Hunter" by John Douglas? He was in the FBI's serial killer unit. I suppose the TV show "Criminal Minds" was based on that.

Anyway, when I read some of my traits in that book, I freaked out. "Oh no.....me?"

I had a friend on base who was a counselor, so I asked him about that. He kinda laughed at me, and said pretty much everybody's got traits that could be construed as "nut job", if you try hard enough.

Whew. That was a relief.

50 posted on 07/21/2012 8:29:51 PM PDT by FlyVet
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