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Persian Gulf Tensions: U.S. Naval Vessel Fires on Fishing Boat, Killing One
New American ^ | Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:00 | Jack Kenny

Posted on 07/19/2012 9:42:48 PM PDT by robowombat

Survivors of gunfire from a U.S. Navy vessel that killed one and wounded three others on a fishing boat off the coast of the United Arab Emirates have disputed claims that the crew had ignored warnings to stay away from the American ship, Reuters reported.

"We had no warning at all from the ship. We were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," one of the wounded, Muthu Muniraj, told Reuters, speaking from a hospital after both legs had been punctured by rounds from the Navy's .50 caliber gun in the July 16 shooting. "We know warning signs and sounds and there were none; it was very sudden," said Muniraj, one of four Indian nationals struck by the gunfire. "My friend was killed; he's gone. I don't understand what happened." Two United Arab Emirates nationals on board with the Indians when the shooting occurred were uninjured. An Emirati official said the incident occurred in Jabel Ali, a frequent docking point for American vessels about 30 miles southwest of Dubai, Outlook India.com reported. A Navy spokesman said the fishing boat was about 10 miles from the port and approaching the USNS Rappahannock (pictured, number 204) a replenishment oiler used to refuel other ships, when the ship's crew issued warnings to stay away.

"The U.S. crew repeatedly attempted to warn the vessel's operators to turn away from their deliberate approach, said Lieutenant Greg Raelson, a spokesman with the Navy's Bahrain-based 5th fleet. "When those efforts failed to deter the approaching vessel, the security team on the Rappahannock fired rounds from a .50-caliber machine gun." Navy ships, Raelson said, "have an inherent right to self-defense against lethal threats."

U.S. crews have had increased apprehension of approaching vessels since al-Qaeda suicide bombers in 2000 rammed a boat loaded with explosives into the side of the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen, killing 17 U.S. sailors. ABC News quoted an unnamed Navy official who said Iranian boats sometimes harass U.S. ships in the region, but hastened to add that the boat in Monday's incident was not Iranian. "I can't emphasize enough that this has nothing to do with Iran," the official said.

U.S. warships moved into the area after Iran threatened it would close the Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's oil exports flow, if the United States and the European Union follow through on threats of increased economic sanctions over Iran's nuclear program. The United States has repeatedly warned that it will take whatever action is necessary, including military strikes, to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. Iran insists it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses, as allowed under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, a nuclear power that did not sign the treaty, has warned that a nuclear-armed Iran would pose an "existential threat" to the Jewish nation, citing Iranian support for Arab terrorists groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas and anti-Israel statements made by Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The Washington Post's David Ignatius, without citing a source, wrote in a February 2 column this year that U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta expected an Israeli military strike on Iran in the spring of this year. Panetta would neither confirm nor deny that prediction.

"No, I'm just not commenting," he told the Associated Press at the time. "What I think, and what I view, I consider that to be an area that belongs to me and nobody else."

That same day, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned that military action may be needed before it is "too late" to prevent Iran from completing development of nuclear weapons.

"Many experts in the world believe that refraining from action will necessarily mean dealing with a nuclearized Iran," Barak told the annual gathering of the nation's security officials in Herzliya. "Those who say 'later' may find that later is too late," he said.

Not all of Israel's political and military establishment share that view, however. At a conference at Hebrew University in Jerusalem last May, Meir Dagan, former head of the nation's intelligence service, Mossad, called the idea of an Israeli Air Force attack on Iran's nuclear facilities "the stupidest thing I have ever heard." Yuval Diskin, head of Israel internal security force, Shin Bet, and former Israel Defense Forces chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi have also spoken out against Israeli plans to strike Iran's nuclear programs, according to the Times of Israel.

U.S. intelligence agencies have maintained that while Iran's nuclear program is approaching a potential for the making of nuclear bombs, there is still no evidence that Iran has made that decision. A National Intelligence Estimate in 2007 concluded that Tehran abandoned its nuclear weapons program in 2003, a finding affirmed by a 2010 NIE report of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.

"They are certainly moving on that path, but we don't believe they have actually made the decision to go ahead with a nuclear weapon," Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said at a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in January of this year.

In March, President Obama told a cheering crowd at a conference of the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee, "I do not have a policy of containment. I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

On July 16, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in Jerusalem, declaring that the United States and Israel are "on the same page" regarding Iran. "It's absolutely fair to say that we are on the same page at this moment, trying to figure our way forward to have the maximum impact on affecting the decisions that Iran makes," Clinton said at a press conference in the ancient capital. Obama's National Security Advisor Tom Donilon preceded Clinton's visit by a few days, the AP reported, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is expected in Israel soon. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who has called for "crippling sanctions" on Iran, is expected to visit this week.

Meanwhile, U.S. warships continue to patrol the waters near the Strait of Hormuz, while Iran takes military measures of its own. "They have increased the number of submarines ... they increased the number of fast attack craft," Vice Admiral Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces in the region, told the AP. "Some of the small boats have been outfitted with a large warhead that could be used as a suicide explosive device. The Iranians have a large mine inventory."


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Author likes to jump to conclusion via speculation but an interesting article.
1 posted on 07/19/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

candidates for Darwin awards.


2 posted on 07/19/2012 9:49:33 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: robowombat

As per the “survivors” take on this event, reeks of total BS.


3 posted on 07/19/2012 10:09:35 PM PDT by caper gal 1
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To: caper gal 1
After the USS Cole incident I would hope that it is standing orders in the Gulf and Arabian Sea waters that any small vessel approaching to closely can expect a .50 salute.
4 posted on 07/19/2012 10:17:08 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: caper gal 1

“We wuz mindin’ our own bidness, on the way to chuch in fack, when rat-a-tat-tat! Day smoked us wit a Ma Deuce!”


5 posted on 07/19/2012 10:31:01 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: robowombat

When you care to send the very best ... 50’s will do the trick!


6 posted on 07/19/2012 10:52:05 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: robowombat
"The U.S. crew repeatedly attempted to warn the vessel's operators to turn away from their deliberate approach, said Lieutenant Greg Raelson, a spokesman with the Navy's Bahrain-based 5th fleet. "When those efforts failed to deter the approaching vessel, the security team on the Rappahannock fired rounds from a .50-caliber machine gun."

Testing the Navy to discover the standing order regarding distance/speed for firing on approaching vessel ignoring commands from the Navy vessel.

They are trying to calculate how fast and maneuverable an attack boat will need to be.

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7 posted on 07/19/2012 11:02:24 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI
You got to be a complete deaf dumb and blind imbecile to ignore a US Warship giving warning signals, the ships whistle is sounded in continuous blasts, the collision alarm is sounded,General Quarters is sounded and every light the thing has is flashing.
Then it fires warning shots across your bow kicking up 30 ft geysers of spray...... Then the Sh!t hits the fan.... when Ma Duce trumpets her war tune.. get some !!!!!

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8 posted on 07/19/2012 11:29:16 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: caper gal 1
In a previous thread, I posted the results of my armchair investigation, which to me seemed to reconcile the account of the "fisherman" with the official USN account as per the CNN article, which I take to be unimpeachable.

That is, the circumstances of the encounter jibe with the assumption that the fishing boat was making for a port which took it across the course of the Rappahannock, and that the helmsman was trying to double back to cross behind the larger ship. It's easy for me to imagine that he was simply not receptive to any of the warning attempts, up to the warning shots. When these came, he simply thought they were being shot at, and was not able to realize he was expected to kill the throttle at that point to avoid disaster.

9 posted on 07/19/2012 11:33:56 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: robowombat

What the article DOESN’T mention is the the “Indian” passengers were Tamil from Sri Lanka

The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka are undoubtedly one of the most organized, effective and brutal terrorist groups in the world. They invented the suicide vest and, according to the FBI, are the only terrorist group to have assassinated two world leaders. The rebels, based in northern and eastern Sri Lanka, have been waging a violent offensive against the central government on and off for more than 20 years.


10 posted on 07/19/2012 11:35:59 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: caper gal 1
As per the “survivors” take on this event, reeks of total BS.

The 'survivors' now know exactly how close they can get before being fired upon. Apparently their 'bosses' thought that it was worth the risk. How many 'fishing' poles did they have?

11 posted on 07/19/2012 11:44:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dr_lew
That is, the circumstances of the encounter jibe with the assumption that the fishing boat was making for a port which took it across the course of the Rappahannock, and that the helmsman was trying to double back to cross behind the larger ship. It's easy for me to imagine that he was simply not receptive to any of the warning attempts, up to the warning shots. When these came, he simply thought they were being shot at, and was not able to realize he was expected to kill the throttle at that point to avoid disaster.

One would then have to believe that this driver of this boat was totally ignorant of what has happened since the USS COLE, and what is going on in the world right now. One would have to assume that Iran has not notified their populace to keep 'wide' of American Ships, or that this type of info has not spread through the 'grapevine' of the populace, especially the sea-faring ones.

12 posted on 07/19/2012 11:50:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
One would then have to believe that this driver of this boat was totally ignorant of what has happened since the USS COLE, and what is going on in the world right now. One would have to assume that Iran has not notified their populace to keep 'wide' of American Ships, or that this type of info has not spread through the 'grapevine' of the populace, especially the sea-faring ones.

I can easily believe that these guys never heard of the USS Cole, and payed no attention whatsoever to what is going on in the world. I do have some curiosity how Indian fisherman end up in Dubai, although this seems consistent with my understanding of how the ultrarich Arab states attract peons of various stripes. I'd love to hear the whole story, but again, I wonder if we can even imagine how far removed the minds of these people were from the concerns that we are immersed in.

And well, Indians in Dubai are hardly to be counted as Iranians, so maybe you could use a little brushing up yourself, if you know what I mean.

13 posted on 07/20/2012 12:08:27 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Robe

I don’t by any means discount the possibility that this was some kind of terrorist probe. I’m just saying that the broad outline of the events, which includes the location and course and speed of the Rappahannock, seems consistent with the idea that the fishing boat just blundered into it.

I do have trouble wrapping my head around this whole Dubai fishing thing. Like, did they catch anything? Red fish? Blue fish?


14 posted on 07/20/2012 12:19:48 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: robowombat

“We were speeding up to try and go around them.” That was all I needed to read. You DON’T speed up to go around the bow of a warship, you slow down and go behind them. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out....


15 posted on 07/20/2012 12:48:01 AM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: dr_lew
so maybe you could use a little brushing up yourself, if you know what I mean.

Yeah. No kidding.

It was easy to go with the flow and assume that due to the current 'threats' from Iran, that this was just another 'exploration attempt'.

Assuming all the info you have given is true, I think the average person could envision how this was just ignorance gone wrong. It still doesn't remove the possibility that our enemy would be smart enough to send out some willing dupes/trained foreign agents to get the job done.

If it was due to ignorance, then it's a pity someone had to die for it.

16 posted on 07/20/2012 1:32:00 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
If it was due to ignorance, then it's a pity someone had to die for it.

Indeed. Cf. Ocean Twp. boy killed in sand tunnel collapse identified. As a grandfather, this sort of thing plagues my mind. Danger lurks everywhere.

17 posted on 07/20/2012 1:44:01 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

They should have just heaved to. That is what I would have done. Idiots.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 5:44:58 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: dr_lew

And I always think of the Iranian airliner that was shot down by the USS Vincennes. The pilot had the mindset that he wasn’t going to even acknowledge the infidels. If he had only done so, he wouldn’t have eaten an SM-2.

Arrogance and stupidity is a poor combination.


19 posted on 07/20/2012 5:54:37 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: robowombat
-----in Jabel Ali, a frequent docking point for American vessels ----

Wiki..... Jebel Ali Free Zone (Jafza; Arabic: المنطقة الحرّة في جبل علي al-Minṭaqat al-Ḥurrat fī Jabal ʿAlī) is a free economic zone located in the Jebel Ali area at the far western end of Dubai, United Arab Emirates, near Abu Dhabi. Created under an Emiri Decree, Jafza commenced operations in 1985 with standard size office units and warehouses to provide ready built facilities to customers. In 1990 Jafza expanded its facilities to include light industrial units.

Jafza is served by the Jebel Ali station of the Dubai Metro.

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The free trade zone is the reason for the economic boom in the UAE and is the center for trade, manufacturing and distribution in west asia . It is far more than a popular docking area and no doubt coveted by the mad mullahs of Iran

20 posted on 07/20/2012 6:17:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: robowombat
Here's the CentCom After Action Report:


21 posted on 07/20/2012 11:18:35 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Nachum; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; Straight Vermonter; dervish; ...

ping


22 posted on 07/20/2012 11:19:50 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: gandalftb

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 07/20/2012 12:46:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: gandalftb

Thanks for the ping.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 10:09:41 PM PDT by csvset
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