Critics blast Arpaio's "birther" findings, others distance themselves .

AZFamily.com ^ | July 17, 2012 | Stacey Delikat

[Tex-Con-Man]

Tuesday evening, officials from Hawaii responded to Arpaio’s allegations that their lax laws on birth certificates could pose a national security threat, saying the allegations “are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law.”

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii released this statement:

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-arizona-the-birther-plot-plays-on/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

[ab01]

“Maybe it has the wrong Father on it.”...I believe you have the answer.

[phockthis]

An affidavit of truth give you powers against the government.

Learn their power and how to use them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8GuY1cy_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrmKvSsUdhA&feature=related

[butterdezillion]

If it was valid, Onaka would have had to verify the stuff AZ SOS Ken Bennett submitted on the verification application form. He refused to do that.

Wisch doesn’t have to play by any rules. Onaka does. And the one who has to play by the rules would not verify as true ANY of the claims on Obama’s birth certificate in their office.

When a person submits the application that’s like saying to Onaka, “Is that your final answer?” There’s no going back after that. Onaka’s final answer was that he could not verify any of Obama’s birth facts as true.

[butterdezillion]

Actually I just re-read a document this morning that was put out by Catholic Charities years ago and gave the histories of the hospitals that were involved in their adoptions, and Kapiolani was listed under that name at that time.

Of course, there were claims that he was born at Queen’s Medical Center. Those got changed somewhere down the line. And, also there was Obama’s literary biography in which he claimed until 2007(?) that he was born in Kenya...

[TheCipher]

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama..

It sure as hell does apply to Obama. Perhaps Wisch should go back and read the statute or take a reading comprehension course. Here it is ( with the relevant parts in bold ):

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child

Now Wisch may be too dimwitted to comprehend this, but an adult is someone over 18. They are not talking about a minor. Once again :

Upon application of an adult...., the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult

[Red Steel]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama, it was not what Obama gave us.

As I recall Zullo saying, after the Hawaiian DoH calls the cops on the Posse, and the Honolulu cop(s) sees the Posse in suits and ties, they or he leaves shaking their head(s) LoL. Then assistant AG Jill Nagamine shows up "to greet" the Posse.

They have a meeting for about 15 minutes. Nagamine said in the meeting once the HI birf certificate gets out of their hands, it's not their responsibility anymore or very close to those words. So Obot Nagamine doesn't care about Hawaiian birth certificate fraud. Or at least when it comes to Obama who is complicit in document fraud.

[DiogenesLamp]

Tuesday evening, officials from Hawaii responded to Arpaio’s allegations that their lax laws on birth certificates could pose a national security threat, saying the allegations “are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law.”

Hawaii says "Who? Us? No way man!"

Obviously they are telling the truth. Everyone knows that if they were guilty they would admit it.

[dandiegirl]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

[dandiegirl]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

[Red Steel]

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii says, -

...We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Actually, the Hawaiian 1982 law does apply Wisch. Section 338-17.8 states it retroactively as we see below when Hawaii was a Territory:

This part OBot Wisch -

"[§338-17.8]... Certificates for children born out of State. ... the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.... "

If that's not good for you the delusional OBots, here is the 1955 law that governed Barrack Obama alleged HI birth in 1961. Look and read closely at the highlighted box:

Again, the HI statute that was in effect from 1955 to 1982.

"Section 57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate.

(a) If neither parent as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate."

Amendments to the Hawaiian birth certificate can be made at any time in the future whether that it is 6 months after the alleged Hawaiian birth or it is 60 years after the alleged Hawaiian birth.

Tex-Con-Man - "I know it won't convert the true believers.

Hawaii is getting skewered here with the truth CON as we all can plainly see.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for the ping.

[Red Steel]

A correction to my post above to the 1955 Hawaiian Territorial Public Health Statics Act.

"Section 57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate.

(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare file the certificate. "

[Red Steel]

Thanks Lj.
I’m going through my downloaded page captures that I have not put on the Internet. That 1955 HI law was one of them. It may not even be on the Internet anymore so I placed the scanned image on the Web for all to see in black in white. ;-)

[Kenny Bunk]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

Nagamine said once the HI birf certificate gets out of their hands, it's not their responsibility anymore ....

Gang, I hate to sound like a one-line parrot here

It doesn't even matter what's on the "document." The "document" is not what he received from Hawaii. It is something made up. But Hawaii's CYA is in place. It's the President who now has to explain why what HE got was NOT WHAT WE GOT.

Insofar as they can lead us to be discussing the laws of Hawaii, bits, bytes, pixels, layers, etc, they can keep us circling our own camp fire forever.

WHAT HE SHOWED, AIN'T WHAT HE GOT.
ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT THE HE SHOWED.
AIN'T IT ABOUT TIME WE SAW WHAT HE GOT?

What Hawaii is needlessly helping Obama to try and hide is simply that the two items are NOT the same. That's the Emperor's Clothes, The Nose on Your Face, if it Were a Snake, it would have Bitten Us, Hidden in Plain Sight, Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious Truth here.

[TXnMA]

"All the DOH website says about this is that they gave OBAMA’S LAWYER 2 CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES, and Obama posted something online."

Photocopies, by definition, are "flattened" (no layers). All the lawyers have to do is produce one of those two "CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES", hold it up beside the image posted online -- and show that the two are visually identical. (And, of course explain where all the layers, different-resolution and moveable image elements -- and the typed-in data in the two "9-coded" (EMPTY) blocks, etc. came from.)

But, of course, they can't do that...

[Kenny Bunk]

Pardon my typos. I am hoppin' mad about this. I am even mad at Sheriff Joe! That presser could have been one hell of a lot closer to the point.

The "document" is a fake because:

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

[edge919]

Sounds like a bunch of Wisch-ful thinking on the part of the Hawaiian Assistant to the AG:

Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Maybe he can explain this story from just a couple of years ago:

Hawai'i ranks 6th in ID theft

Hawai'i has the sixth-worst record in the nation for identity theft and fraud, a new study shows

"Local businesses and even national businesses need to be aware that Honolulu ... has a substantially higher identity fraud rate," said Stephen Coggeshall, author of the report by San Diego-based ID Analytics Inc.

"The problem is growing and has been growing," added Chris Van Marter, Honolulu deputy prosecuting attorney and head of a white-collar crime unit. "The problem is going to get worse before it gets better."

link

[freekitty]

Stop with the true believer junk. We all know there is something wrong with Obama. We all know he was placed there not by the voters; but a special group of elicits.

[Menehune56]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

I know, that is what is so maddening: Obama has never been confronted for an explanation about where his Kenyan biography could possibly have come from if not himself. The only excuse to date has been the laughable claim by his editor at the agency that the born-in-Kenya bio was a "fact checking error." Uh, where did the facts being checked come from in the first place?

Obama should have been hounded about where the biographical information could possibly have originated other than from him. And I would LOVE to see him asked at a press conference why he shouldn’t apologize to the patriotic people he allowed to be ridiculed as crackpots or "birthers."

[Mr. K]

I don’t think Sheriff Joe is going to like this- I can’t wait to hear his response to Hawaii

They were not even allowed access to PUBLIC records when they went down there- Everyone they encountered in Hawaii stood in their way at every turn.

Even the simple hospital registration book- which could have ended it right there- was kept from them.