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Week In News: The 'Swiftboating' Of Mitt Romney
NPR ^ | July 14, 2012 | NPR

Posted on 07/15/2012 5:04:25 AM PDT by xzins

The Mitt Romney campaign has been busy this week fending off attacks about Romney's involvement with Bain Capital after he claims to have ceased dealing with the company's day-to-day operations. Weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz speaks with James Fallows of The Atlantic about how this episode reminds him of the "Swiftboat" attacks against Democratic candidate John Kerry in 2004.

GUY RAZ, HOST:

It's WEEKENDS on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I'm Guy Raz.

MITT ROMNEY: I had no role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February of 1999.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I think most Americans figure if you're the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does.

ROMNEY: That's ridiculous and disturbing to come from their campaign and beneath the dignity of the president.

RAZ: That's President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in dueling interviews with ABC News and WJLA yesterday. At issue, the question of when Romney left Bain Capital and why he was still listed as CEO on federal filings after he says he left the company.

RAZ: So, Jim, Mitt Romney has all along said, you know, he left Bain in 1999. But as late as 2001, he's still - his name still appears on SEC documents as the chairman. Of course, the Obama campaign has jumped on this. They're trying to rewrite the narrative of Romney's time as a businessman, and it seems to have thrown Romney off-kilter a bit.

FALLOWS: It has. And I think it's worth focusing on why this is such a potential problem for the Romney campaign. The entire reason behind his campaign through the last year in the Republican primaries and now in the next four months in the general election is that America has business problems. He is a businessman, therefore, he's the right person for the job.

And what the Obama campaign is doing on the basis of this Bain imbroglio is something similar to what George W. Bush was doing to John Kerry back in 2004 in the episode known as swiftboating. And by that, I mean making something that a candidate has assumed to be his strength, which, in John Kerry's case was his military background, into a weakness.

RAZ: And so if the Obama campaign can make Mitt Romney's business background not the presumed basis of his campaign, but instead a source of controversy, a source of potential weakness for him, that really does make problems in the campaign for the Romney team.

So if the Obama campaign is swiftboating, as you say, Mitt Romney - I mean, one of the criticisms of John Kerry was that he didn't respond to this back in 2004, and Romney is only started to respond to it.

FALLOWS: Exactly. And I should make clear, in saying swiftboating, I'm not asserting that these are false accusations. I'm just saying they have this jujitsu effect. And it's actually surprising the Romney team is not better prepared for them than it is. Number one, because they've had the last eight years since the John Kerry episode. Number two, over the last year, this is what Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry and others were using as their angle of attack on Mitt Romney's business background too.

RAZ: But some of the truth squadding on this, Jim, from factcheck.org and Fortune magazine, The Washington Post, they've essentially said this whole attack on Romney is much ado about nothing.

FALLOWS: I saw those accounts and read them a little but differently. And they're saying that even though Romney, on form - submitted in 2001 or 2002 - was listed as the CEO, the president, the - sole shareholder, et cetera of these businesses, it wasn't reasonable to infer that he had any connection with them. I think that does place the argument on the Obama team's court. And they can say to most people: Look, if you're the president, the CEO and the sole shareholder, it's reasonable to assume that you would have some responsibility for an enterprise.

RAZ: What is the big deal, though? He was ostensibly the figurehead until 2001.

FALLOWS: There is a technical argument about exactly which years the Bain company was doing most of its outsourcing. To me, that's the lesser point. I think most voters are not going to focus on that. I think the larger point is that does again strangely make the part of Mitt Romney's background that was to have been his burnished source of pride and his main job recommendation for the task of being president something he's having to defend, explain and make apologies for, which is not what he wants to be doing four months before the election.

RAZ: That's James Fallows, the national correspondent for The Atlantic. You can find his blog at jamesfallows.theatlantic.com. Jim, thanks so much.

FALLOWS: My pleasure, Guy.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benedictromney; elections; iwontvoteforromney; obama; romney; romney4romney; verminromney

1 posted on 07/15/2012 5:04:29 AM PDT by xzins
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To: All; P-Marlowe; cripplecreek; cva66snipe; Elvina; Finny; greyfoxx39; Hilda; ImpBill; kabar; ...
most Americans figure if you're the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does.

That does make sense, and, it is something that Freepers have been pointing out for months.

This is not new. It was all over Free Republic during the Gingrich/Romney/Perry wars.

2 posted on 07/15/2012 5:06:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Mr. RomneyCARE also owned 100% of the company,
and received a reported 100,000$ per year.

But he had no control.

None.
Nope.
Poor Mr. RomneyCARE. Had no control. None.


3 posted on 07/15/2012 5:12:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
The left has been desperate to destroy the legitimate criticism of John Kerry by his former peers and superiors in the US Navy, that knew him as a disreputable, ambitious, treacherous, deceitful, lying traitor to both his comrades and his nation.

Since they couldn't challenge the facts, they pretended that these former US Navy officers and enlisted men were universally partisan, spewing hatred and lies while being paid a fortune to do so by shadowy businessmen.

The the left and their MSM accomplices decided to create a verb of derision, "swiftboating", as an abbreviation of all their libels of these former officers and enlisted men; figuring that the public would forget the truth and only remember their lies. And then they would popularize this nonsense verb by applying it to totally unrelated situations.

So the proper response is that, when they use the term, they should be confronted with pretend confusion. For example:

"Are you suggesting that honorable, US Navy veteran Officers and enlisted men are calling Mitt Romney a lying, deceitful traitor to the United States, who faked military commendations, and traitorously slandered his former comrades before congress, calling them war criminals, in an effort to undermine the war effort, for his own political ambitions?"

"That's what 'Swiftboating' means, don't you know?"

What this accomplishes is to snatch this new verb out of their hands and redefine it as the legitimate criticism of John Kerry for his crimes.

4 posted on 07/15/2012 5:24:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Diogenesis
Right! Heaven forbid that a CEO receive a salary, why that would be . . . CAPITALIST!

LOL!!! Any port in a storm for you Romney haters. Doesn't matter how battered and storm-swept it may be, it's still a port, eh?
5 posted on 07/15/2012 5:28:14 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: xzins

“Most Americans figure if you’re the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does.”

Meanwhile, for all practical purposes, Barack Hussein Obama is the chairman, CEO and president of the United States of America. However, he, Obama, is NEVER held to account for the endless problems America has faced these past three and a half years.

It’s always the fault of someone or something else.....the Arab Spring, the Japanese tsunami, George W. Bush, ATM machines, the European financial crisis, the Koch brothers, the “Republican Congress” (gee....I thought the Senate was controlled by the dems).

Typical dem double standards.


6 posted on 07/15/2012 5:31:31 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama.....He's got your back (pocket) so he can steal your wallet.)
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To: xzins
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “I think most Americans figure if you're the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does”.

Does this clown even know what he reads from this teleprompter?

Try this on for size, “0”. “I think most Americans figure if you are the president of a country that you are responsible for what that country does.

In order for this to be “swiftboating” most of the employees of Bain would need to come forward and call Mit a liar. This is just the crats using a word they fail to understand. Nothing new here, just move on.

7 posted on 07/15/2012 5:31:41 AM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: xzins
in saying swiftboating, I'm not asserting that these are false accusations.

Wow, what an economy of words. Two birds with one stone.

He's implying that "swiftboating" is normally associated with "false accusations".

And then saying that these are not necessarily false.

8 posted on 07/15/2012 5:36:45 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: xzins

Believe me, Romney isn’t claiming that he didn’t know what his company was doing while he was CEO because of outsourcing. In fact, he’s lying because he wants to pretend he knew nothing about his company trafficking in the bodies of little boys and girls murdered in abortion mills.


9 posted on 07/15/2012 5:40:48 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: xzins
Is this attack too early? Maybe Romney will be routed before the GOP Convention?

In that case, there are others ready, willing and able to take up the mantle - if only the GOP establishment has the guts and brains to do it!

Unfortunately, it doesn't. After all, these are the same clueless, ideologically centerless schmucks who carried their last three heroes and big losers - Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, and John McCain - across the finish line to certain electoral disaster.

10 posted on 07/15/2012 5:59:02 AM PDT by Gritty (The somnolent GOP in Washington has just climbed back into their Bob Dole suits-Mark Steyn)
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To: Diogenesis

So, you are voting for the First Muslim. Are you doing so by voting for him directly or buy staying home?


11 posted on 07/15/2012 6:09:34 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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To: Sudetenland

“Doesn’t matter how battered and storm-swept it may be, it’s still a port, eh?”

The same could be said of a certain odious, culture of death candidate.


12 posted on 07/15/2012 6:10:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Sudetenland

The trouble with you knee-jerk RomneyBOT attackers
is that you have no logic.

The issue is not the salary. or Capitalism (both good).
The issue is that Mr. RomneyCARE
lied and said he had no control, but owned
100% and got paid a salary.

TELL THE TRUTH, Mr. ROMNEYCARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 07/15/2012 6:12:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ByteMercenary
We do not backstab conservatives -- like Mitt Willard Romney and this Legion do daily.

Do YOU remember Election 2008?


FLASHBACK:

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided …to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.

Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008

Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"


br

14 posted on 07/15/2012 6:15:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sudetenland
Let me call you to account for the term 'hater' ~ that's a term the leftwingtards use ~ you are using their term ~ therefore you are a leftwingtard.

Capice?

Now, about accusing Freepers ~ any Freepers ~ of being "haters' ~ that is the sort of thing that should probably get you disposed of like rubbish.

Just waiting on the ZOT fur shur!

15 posted on 07/15/2012 6:55:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tau Food
There can be no doubt that 'outsourcing' wasn't on his mind in this particular issue ~ you are hitting the target right in the center.

He really needs to clear this issue up, although I doubt even he can deal with the truth in this one.

So, a fair question, how is it you end up owning a company that treats murdered babies like so much trash? Gotta' be one hard hearted sociopathic bad-a$$ to seek out that industry eh!

16 posted on 07/15/2012 6:59:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xzins
Ok, let me see if I get this correct.

Romney says in 1999, he left Bain Capitol and all control of the company, to save the Olympics single handedly.

(using over one billion dollars in taxpayers money, IE bail out)

Yet, Romney received a salary and signed all the legal documents regarding the company until 2001-2.

So the simple seems to be this:

Romney may or may not have been in control of Bain, and he may or may not have been CEO or he may or may not have had knowledge of what was going on.

Romney could not have left control and still received a salary or signed documents if he were not still involved.

If he were still involved he knew what was going on, if he wasn't involved why was he still receiving a salary and signing documents.

So the real question is this how many versions of this story are Romney and his team going to tell, fourteen?

Why doesn't Romney just tell the truth?

17 posted on 07/15/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: muawiyah
So, a fair question, how is it you end up owning a company that treats murdered babies like so much trash? Gotta' be one hard hearted sociopathic bad-a$$ to seek out that industry eh!

Yes, and the name Stericycle implies that Romney may have come up with some way of recycling fetuses.

18 posted on 07/15/2012 7:10:52 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Big Mack
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “I think most Americans figure if you're the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does”.

Does this clown even know what he reads from this teleprompter?
Try this on for size, “0”. “I think most Americans figure if you are the president of a country that you are responsible for what that country does.

Spot on. And I agree with your assessment. He really doesn't know what he is reading from his teleprompters. Obama is the skinniest puppet the world has ever seen. And his sycophants in the press won't even address the charges that this emperor has no clothes.

19 posted on 07/15/2012 7:12:07 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Tau Food
Definitely a problem with the guy ~ he really should get this out of the way before the Convention.

BTW, the Democrats, so far, see no problem in that aspect ~ after all, they've undoubtedly contributed to the fetus stocks.

20 posted on 07/15/2012 7:15:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

My guess is that Romney believed that by the time he became a presidential candidate, the pro-life movement would have run it’s course and the stigma attached to buying or selling fetuses would be minimal.

Well, he miscalculated and now he needs to try to conceal his involvement.


21 posted on 07/15/2012 7:25:15 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Diogenesis

Newsmax
Voter Purge Efforts Likely to Spread After Florida Victory in Database Case
Saturday, July 14, 2012 08:44 PM

By: Newsmax Wires

Florida election officials will have access to a federal database to help purge its voter rolls of non-citizens under an agreement reached between state and federal officials and welcomed on Saturday by Florida’s Republican governor.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security will allow state officials to access the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database.

Florida and federal officials have been battling over access to the database for several weeks. Florida filed a lawsuit against the Homeland Security Department to gain access to the database. The state was hit by a lawsuit from the U.S. Justice Department seeking to stop the purge.

Now other states are expected to ask for access to the database so they too can check their rolls. Some state governments have sought access to the federal database for years. Federal officials told Washington state back in 2005 they saw no way to compare voters and the Homeland Security information.


22 posted on 07/15/2012 8:04:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Diogenesis

Newsmax
Voter Purge Efforts Likely to Spread After Florida Victory in Database Case
Saturday, July 14, 2012 08:44 PM

By: Newsmax Wires

Florida election officials will have access to a federal database to help purge its voter rolls of non-citizens under an agreement reached between state and federal officials and welcomed on Saturday by Florida’s Republican governor.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security will allow state officials to access the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database.

Florida and federal officials have been battling over access to the database for several weeks. Florida filed a lawsuit against the Homeland Security Department to gain access to the database. The state was hit by a lawsuit from the U.S. Justice Department seeking to stop the purge.

Now other states are expected to ask for access to the database so they too can check their rolls. Some state governments have sought access to the federal database for years. Federal officials told Washington state back in 2005 they saw no way to compare voters and the Homeland Security information.


23 posted on 07/15/2012 8:05:03 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Tau Food
Stericycle implies that Romney may have come up with some way of recycling fetuses.

I doubt that Romney "came up with" anything like that (though I, with others, devoutly hope the GOPe comes to its senses and realizes what a disaster Mitt is!). But didn't Bill O'Reilly years ago (at least 5, probably more) do a report on black market trafficking in fetal body parts? I don't remember much specific from the segment, only that I saw it . . . sorry I don't recall more.

24 posted on 07/15/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by maryz
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

BINGO! Ding! Ding! Ding! WE HAVE A WINNER!

These “journalists” using this term are trying to soil Romney, while throwing out the meme “Switft-boating” as if it was all about lies!

They are trying to sink Romney, cast aspersions on the “verb” Swift-boating and RAISE the Titanic (Kerry) with a single pulley lift attached to a dingy!


25 posted on 07/15/2012 8:48:18 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

We might not like to admit it, but the Bain attacks have legs.

How do we know that?

Because when Gingrich/Perry used that strategy they were destroying Romney, even among otherwise conservative middle class republicans.

The only reason they stopped was because the rino-media went on a 24/7 against them. But, they did prove that such an attack works.

And Obama could care less what the rino-media says.

Romney needs to be replaced.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 4:46:15 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
What this accomplishes is to snatch this new verb out of their hands and redefine it as the legitimate criticism of John Kerry for his crimes.

It also helps change the subject to something more useful, viz., that the Left lies. Reflexively, congenitally, uncontrollably, instinctually. And, it's a marker of their character.

27 posted on 07/15/2012 11:21:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Diogenesis; muawiyah
Guys, Mittens is getting turned into Romneyburgers just like we said he would once the Media-Romneybot romance of convenience was over.

Payback is just such a bitch, isn't it, Bishop Becoming-a-God?

Give my regards to Kolob.

28 posted on 07/15/2012 11:25:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Diogenesis
Just because you're not intelligent enough to understand business practices and the facts of the case doesn't mean the Romney lied, it means that you aren't capable of comprehending the truth, or that you are so consumed with your hatred of Romney that you don't care what the facts are.

Either way it doesn't reflect very well on you.
29 posted on 07/18/2012 10:48:12 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland

Romney was not “Swiftboated”. The Swiftboat people told the truth about Kerry. Romney has been lied about by the Democrats. There is a difference.


30 posted on 07/18/2012 10:52:11 AM PDT by sport
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To: muawiyah
When one uses every post to smear a candidate even when the attacks are irrelevant to the topic of the thread, then I classify that person as a hater. You people are obsessed with destroying Romney--funny, I would have thought you would be obsessed with ousting Obama--and your continual negative postings serve no positive purpose.

Romney IS the nominee and no amount of constant harping on his negatives will change that fact. When the convention is held in August, Romney will be nominated on the first ballot; that too is a fact and no amount of your bleating will alter that reality.

The only rational recourse is to run with the guy we've got--only you and your buddies don't like it--BOO-HOO-HOO!

Time to grow up and begin behaving like adults instead of children. So far all I've seen from you guys is one big temper tantrum.
31 posted on 07/18/2012 10:57:26 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: sport
"Romney was not “Swiftboated”. The Swiftboat people told the truth about Kerry. Romney has been lied about by the Democrats. There is a difference."

Absolutely! No comparison whatsoever.

32 posted on 07/18/2012 10:59:04 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland; muawiyah; lentulusgracchus

Sudetenland, Please keep putting down everyone you want
since that is all you have,
but the truth is simple: Myth RomneyCARE is
fortunately NOT the candidate yet.

BTW, your personal hatred of conservatives and conservative
principles is getting as disgusting as Mr. RomneyCARE’s
behavior.


33 posted on 07/18/2012 11:16:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sudetenland
Looks like everybody is pretty smart when it comes to business. We all know that having an "ownership interest" means something.

That's what Romney called it. He even said he could have made decisions, but he didn't.

Apparently you have no idea what an "ownership interest" means. And then you are telling us Romney is lying about his relationship with Bain.

34 posted on 07/18/2012 11:57:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sudetenland
Guess you're just another Mittbot who's afraid of the Obots or you'd go try to convert them into Mittbot voters.

You should leave real Conservatives alone. We told you we didn't want this guy, and that if you GOP-e trolls went ahead and nominated him he'd get no support.

Did you realize that 25% of the Republican party (according to polls of this particular issue) do not want Romney.

You can't win without 25% of the party.

It's hopeless.

Part of the deal in a coalition party is that each side gives a little. That doesn't mean only Conservatives give and Mittbots and GOP-e get what they want ~ it means if you want to win you have to provide candidates to the coalition that all of us can vote for.

So, back to the drawing board. You have a few weeks. Fix the problem. Hustle Romney out the side door or something.

35 posted on 07/18/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gritty
Is this attack too early? Maybe Romney will be routed before the GOP Convention?

I'm guessing that Obama's holding his best cards for later in the game. With all his resources... the IRS, the FBI, the CIA, etc., I'm willing to bet he has lots of material waiting for the right moment. Of course he'll do the same no matter what candidate we have, so we just need to fight back.

36 posted on 07/18/2012 12:15:26 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: muawiyah
As I said, nothing but rampant immaturity.

You're not being allowed to get your way, so you're taking your little dollies and going home--probably holding your breath till you turn blue. LOL!

You're not going to convince anyone whose an adult around here, so one can only conclude your primary purpose in posting your continued and incessant anti-Romney rants is to stir up controversy and generally irritate everyone--which, incidentally, is the definition of trolling.
37 posted on 07/18/2012 1:23:19 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Diogenesis
". . . personal hatred of conservatives and conservative principles . . ."

Truly thou art deranged beyond all recall. What "conservative principles" have I expressed "hatred" for? Give an example. What "conservative" have I expressed hatred for? Give specific examples.

Your irrational hatred for Romney has warped your ability to reason.

Here's a clue for you, real "conservatives" don't "hate" anyone. Real conservatives may hate the actions of others, or their policies, but the person? . . . Never! Hatred is an emotional reaction and it is of very little use in discussing politics.

Up until about a decade ago, the only people I knew who "hated" people because of their political beliefs and ideologies were liberals. Conservatives may have been contemptuous of liberals and their ideology and always disagreed with them, but with that disagreement remained respect and even friendship. I have never had any friendship lost over politics--even with liberals--because I never allowed myself to become driven by emotions.

Liberals are driven by emotions, children are driven by emotions, and the immature are driven by emotion. Conservatives are driven by logic and reason. They don't engage in endless attacks against their own side simply because they didn't get their own way. Real conservatives see the big picture, not their own narrow objectives.

You want to see liberal behavior, look in the mirror.

38 posted on 07/18/2012 1:53:00 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland
Your Romney-VENOM is so deep you are unable to address
any issue. In its stead, you attack the poster.

The fact is you RomneyBOTs live in hate, like Obama,
and bring hate and backstabbing everywhere.

Instead of releasing records for transparency,
INSTEAD OF GOING AFTER OBAMA'S POLICIES,
you backstabbing-HATERS-for-Bishop-Romney ignore the issue
which is: ROMNEY IS THE CHOSEN LOSER
and he is doing EXACTLY what the MSM and Obama want.

you backstabbing-HATERS-for-Bishop-Romney ignore the issue

39 posted on 07/18/2012 1:59:20 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

LOL!!! Wow! Nice irrational, hatred-filled post. Thanks for proving my prior post.


40 posted on 07/18/2012 2:06:15 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland
The "hate" you allegedly "see" is your own image in the mirror
looking back.


41 posted on 07/18/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Further confirmation both of what I said and of your obsession with Mitt. Again, thanks for proving everything I said about you.


42 posted on 07/18/2012 3:32:39 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; EternalVigilance; Elsie; ...
What is really sad, is that all Team Romney's criticism
remains SOLELY against CONSERVATIVES
with endless whining about Romney's victimhood.

The fact is, if only Obama was a conservative, Mr. RomneyCARE
would be all over him like a angry boa constrictor on a rat.

Romney: "Obama was born in the United States"

Romney: "Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate"

Romney: "The citizenship test has been passed"


“White House Quotes Romney in Defense of Health Care”



Mitt Romney Sends Leftover Pizza to Obama Chicago HQ
After spending the day in Chicago fundraising, Mitt Romney
sat down with small business owners at Gino's East,
a pizza joint famous for their deep-dish pizza.
In fact, Romney himself tweeted a photo of a
delivery boy heading out with the loot, writing,
"Great deep dish at @ginoseast.
Sending the extra slices to @barackobama and his Chicago HQ team."

43 posted on 07/18/2012 3:44:05 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sudetenland
BTW, this constant chronic use of the term "hater" suggests that you are a Leftwingtard.

Conservatives simply don't use that term.

44 posted on 07/18/2012 3:46:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Sure they do . . . when it suits the target--like you.

The fact that liberals use a word has never been a deciding factor in whether I use it or not. Just because they have used it against conservative does not render the word invalid.

Judging from yours and your fellow Romney obsessed posters posts, the word has been used correctly and appropriately.
45 posted on 07/18/2012 6:34:45 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Member of the BBB Club - Bye-Bye-Barry!!! President Barack "Down Low" Obama)
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To: Sudetenland
Sorry, your use of the word PROVES that you are a leftwingtard ~ probably been trolling FR for years waiting for the chance.
46 posted on 07/18/2012 6:37:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xzins

ROMNEY: That’s ridiculous and disturbing to come from their campaign and beneath the dignity of the president.
__________________________________________________

ROMNEY: the president is suppose to lie for me, a fellow Harvard grad and liberal buddy, and that’s ridiculous and disturbing that he wont.


47 posted on 07/18/2012 6:57:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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