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Residents of Wrentham public housing complex ordered to remove U.S. flags
Attleboro MA Sun Chronicle ^ | 7/11/12 | Matt Kakley

Posted on 07/12/2012 8:33:50 AM PDT by raccoonradio

WRENTHAM — Just a week after the nation celebrated its birthday, residents of the Garden Lane public housing complex are being told they can no longer display their patriotism by hanging U.S. flags outside their homes.

Tenants of the complex, operated near the center of town by the Wrentham Housing Authority, were notified of the new policy through a letter taped to their doors sometime Wednesday afternoon.

The letter, which is unsigned but is on housing authority letterhead, says the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday.

“(The) Wrentham Housing Authority has been informed that the public display of the American flag in common areas is not permitted,” it said.

The letter goes on to say that flags can still be displayed inside tenants’ apartments, just not outside.

“Flags may be visible through the apartment windows, but may not be displayed on the exterior of the buildings or on the ground around the buildings,” it said.

There is no explanation given for the rule, other than the complaints of a tenant. Housing Authority Executive Director Nancy Siegel was not available Wednesday afternoon for comment.

A call to a spokeswoman for the Executive Office of Housing and Community Development was not returned Wednesday.

Ironically, flag-holding hardware is affixed to doors throughout the complex.

The issue in Wrentham is similar to one that developed last year at Gardner Terrace, a privately owned, but government subsidized affordable housing complex in Attleboro.

There, tenants were forbidden from putting any decorations, including flags, on their doors after a resident posted an Irish slur.

Whatever the reasoning for the rule, it quickly rankled residents of the Wrentham housing, including Barbara Marshall, the only tenant to have a flag hung up outside her home Wednesday afternoon.

Marshall, 82, called the policy “unbelievable,” and said she’s proudly hung a flag outside her apartment for more than a dozen years.

“I’ve always had a flag,” she said. “I’m very upset.”

At times speaking through tears, Marshall said veterans have played an important role in her family’s history, from her brother landing in Normandy D-Day invasion during World War II, to her work in shelters, to her grandson clearing graves in Plainville.

“All my family is so indebted to the veterans, to that flag,” she said.

Upon reading the letter, Marshall, who is recovering from surgery, said she had to lie down because she was so upset.

She said she will not remove the flag herself and will document any other attempts to discard it.

“If somebody wants to come and take the flag down, I’ll take pictures,” she said.

Marshall said she intends to call U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, a Wrentham resident, to see if his office can help change the policy.

“Somebody’s got to help,” she said.

For now, though, Marshall said she’ll continue to hang her flag proudly despite what the letter, which also contains regulations for gardening, says.

“I don’t care about the gardening, but don’t take my flag,” she said.


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KEYWORDS: ban; firstamendment; flag; freespeech; freespeechnazis; publichousing; wrentham
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1 posted on 07/12/2012 8:34:00 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Upon reading the letter, Marshall, who is recovering from surgery, said she had to lie down because she was so upset.


Easily my favorite part.
2 posted on 07/12/2012 8:36:13 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: raccoonradio

One person complained. Hey, if I complain to Congress about funding of NPR, will they obey me, even though it’s just one person? Why not?

Sen. Scott Brown lives in Wrentham...I’m sure he’ll say “c’mon gimme a break” when he hears this.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 8:36:57 AM PDT by raccoonradio (")
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To: raccoonradio

4 posted on 07/12/2012 8:37:46 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

If burning a flag is free speech, isn’t flying a flag also free speech?


5 posted on 07/12/2012 8:37:46 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Common sense although common knowledge is seldom common practice.)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Note that this singles out American Flags on the 4th of July. Please feel free to fly the Daily Planet Flag during World Cup.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 8:38:26 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: raccoonradio

Let’s have a little experiment. They should all fly the gay rainbow flags instead and see if they get the same response. If not then sue their butts—pun intended.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 8:40:03 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: stocksthatgoup

good point

and to use the oft-quoted bit (I’ll use a slightly amended version from talk host Pat Whitley (added words in
parentheses):
It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag and whose coffin is draped by the flag who allows the protester (the freedom he abuses) to burn the flag.


8 posted on 07/12/2012 8:42:41 AM PDT by raccoonradio (")
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

Howie Carr list ping. People’s Republic of Wrentham


9 posted on 07/12/2012 8:44:55 AM PDT by raccoonradio (")
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To: stocksthatgoup; raccoonradio; massgopguy

Eh? I just enjoyed the idea of someone being so upset they have to lie down. Not even my grandma’s like that and she’s Irish.


10 posted on 07/12/2012 8:52:11 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: raccoonradio

The letter, which is unsigned but is on housing authority letterhead, says the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday.


Tyranny of the minority. Get used to it.

“Flags may be visible through the apartment windows, but may not be displayed on the exterior of the buildings or on the ground around the buildings,” it said.


Don’t expect that to last long, because surely the complainers eyes will still be offended.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 8:58:25 AM PDT by chessplayer
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a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday.

WHO?

12 posted on 07/12/2012 9:00:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

What if a tenant complains about the lack of a flag?


13 posted on 07/12/2012 9:04:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: raccoonradio

There was a recent study that suggested the sight of American Flags induces people to think conservatively, and act conservatively in the voting booth.

The Leftists know this.


14 posted on 07/12/2012 9:07:09 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: raccoonradio
The letter, which is unsigned but is on housing authority letterhead, says the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday.

Some very confused math at work here.

A single individual is upset so we are going to upset dozens so that this individual can be at peace.

Only an agent of government could calculate so poorly.

15 posted on 07/12/2012 9:11:08 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: raccoonradio
Tenants of the complex, operated near the center of town by the Wrentham Housing Authority, were notified of the new policy through a letter taped to their doors sometime Wednesday afternoon.

the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday.

So here we have a person living in public housing; housing that is at least subsidized by government funds.

So this tenant while living in his/her apartment by the grace of charity of the tax paying citizens of the united states can not bare to look upon the flag which represents the people upon whose charity he or she depends.

This ungrateful wretch should be asked to seek other accommodations.

16 posted on 07/12/2012 9:17:23 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Paladin2

Make everyone fly one and call it a “tax”.


17 posted on 07/12/2012 9:26:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: raccoonradio

Apparently someone came to their senses:

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/19009901/state-housing-authority-flag-display-ban-a-mistake

I would hav ethought thare was some kind of lease, even for public housing, and adding a rule that was not part of the original agreement might have offered some legal recourse for the tenants. It appears a few thousand calls/emails were more efficient than any legal recourse.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 9:30:28 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: raccoonradio

I’d start flying the Stars and Bars.


19 posted on 07/12/2012 9:30:33 AM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Paladin2

“What if a tenant complains about the lack of a flag?”

What if ALL the tenants complained about the lack of a flag, and repeatedly called the Housing Authority.

Wouldn’t that trump the lone caller?

If that won’t work, then it’s time for a blanket party.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 9:31:48 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: Gil4
Apparently someone came to their senses:

Nope. Just like any other cockroach, they are fleeing the light... only to return in the darkness...

21 posted on 07/12/2012 9:37:32 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: raccoonradio
"...the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday."

Ok, so does that mean it will only take (2) tenants repeatedly complaining against the no-flag-display order to reverse it?
22 posted on 07/12/2012 9:37:45 AM PDT by Bellagio
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To: raccoonradio

I can keep my Che flag up right?

What about my American flag with Obama on it?


23 posted on 07/12/2012 9:38:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: raccoonradio

Thanks for the ping.


24 posted on 07/12/2012 9:41:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (Marion Berry: 'If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate')
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To: All

fight Obama, display the flag!

remember the left hates displays of the flag because people have a tendency to vote against democrats when they see the US Flag.

This is why obama created his own logo. To avoid the flag.

We should all display flags outside our homes. The more people displaying flags the better.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 9:41:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: raccoonradio

Just REFUSE to comply.

Gather together with as many tenants as you can ally with.

Force the complex to act, then start calling in the news media.

Make it go viral.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 9:43:46 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: raccoonradio
Put up a UN or rainbow flag and see if they do anything.

Then sue the pants off them when they don't. :-)

27 posted on 07/12/2012 9:46:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: raccoonradio

“One person complained” is totally bogus. One anonymous complaint, and everybody else goes on record trying to defeat the decision. And gets ignored.

I’ll wager that the “anonymous complaint” is totally made up. Let that person stand up and speak out, like everyone else, and be accountable for your actions. “One person complained” is an excuse to take unilateral action on your own, while not accepting responsibility.

Second issue- what about Brazilian flags? Can they be flown? Mexico? Canada?


28 posted on 07/12/2012 9:48:45 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: raccoonradio
The letter, which is unsigned but is on housing authority letterhead

Then no authority behind it. Put up 3, 6, 57 US flags.

29 posted on 07/12/2012 9:49:31 AM PDT by bgill
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30 posted on 07/12/2012 9:49:59 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: raccoonradio

I didn’t see what country that happened in?-——but I’m pretty sure some genius is going to get a flag pole enema.


31 posted on 07/12/2012 9:59:35 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Pontiac

“Only an agent of government could calculate so poorly. “

The one anti-USA person on the board is using the excuse of “one person complained” to unilaterally take action on his agenda. This is calculated, and it always works.

All those opposed must go on record to speak out (the normal, American way to do things).


32 posted on 07/12/2012 10:02:04 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: chessplayer

Shouldn’t be hard to figure out who the sniveler is. Just find the only door without a flag———and burn it-——in the expression of free speech, of course.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 10:05:21 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: raccoonradio
God bless you, Mrs. Marshall:

"Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then,
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten;

Bravest of all in Frederick town,
She took up the flag the men hauled down;

In her attic window the staff she set,
To show that one heart was loyal yet,

Up the street came the rebel tread,
Stonewall Jackson riding ahead.

Under his slouched hat left and right
He glanced; the old flag met his sight.

'Halt!' - the dust-brown ranks stood fast.
'Fire!' - out blazed the rifle-blast.

It shivered the window, pane and sash;
It rent the banner with seam and gash.

Quick, as it fell, from the broken staff
Dame Barbara snatched the silken scarf.

She leaned far out on the window-sill,
And shook it forth with a royal will.

'Shoot, if you must, this old gray head,
But spare your country's flag,' she said."

34 posted on 07/12/2012 10:18:24 AM PDT by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paladin2

Post the name of the “offended” tenant. Let the other residents know who it was that did this. No hiding behind the cloak of anonymity.


35 posted on 07/12/2012 10:21:36 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: raccoonradio

Well you get stuff from the government for free how on Earth can these people complain. I say change it from Public Housing to commercial housing. Have them pay normal rent prices and they can put up whatever they want.


36 posted on 07/12/2012 10:32:18 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: tflabo

If not then sue their butts—pun intended.

Dear God these are people that are not paying for rent or are paying something like 25 bucks a month for rent. I say they shut their mouths or get off the government teet. I am sick of moochers.


37 posted on 07/12/2012 10:34:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: raccoonradio
the move was made after a tenant repeatedly complained to the state Department of Housing and Community Development over the July 4th holiday

Somebody who has a roof over his head paid for by the government is complaining about the flag? What gall!

38 posted on 07/12/2012 10:34:47 AM PDT by Capn Freedom
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To: massgopguy
feel free to fly the Daily Planet Flag

The newspaper where Clark Kent works has its own flag? LOL

39 posted on 07/12/2012 10:35:02 AM PDT by Capn Freedom
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To: arderkrag

They wouldn’t recognize the Stars & Bars. You might mean the Naval Ensign.


40 posted on 07/12/2012 10:42:25 AM PDT by vortec94
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To: Gil4
It appears a few thousand calls/emails were more efficient than any legal recourse.

Excellent!

41 posted on 07/12/2012 10:43:20 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: raccoonradio

This is an elderly housing comples. The “seasoned citizens” will know who the complainer is.


42 posted on 07/12/2012 10:50:25 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: vortec94

No, I mean the Stars and Bars. If it’s that important to them, they’ll look it up.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 10:52:46 AM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: napscoordinator
Have them pay normal rent prices and they can put up whatever they want.

Not quite. Land owner (landlord) has the right to restrict outdoor displays, etc. If tenants don't like it they can move. This will be disclosed in the lease or addendum signed by the tenant on move-in. If you don't read it then you don't know what's in it.

44 posted on 07/12/2012 10:57:20 AM PDT by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
If burning a flag is free speech, isn’t flying a flag also free speech?

Umm, not quite.

You see, burning the flag is a symbol that you are against "the man" and that you hate the USA. This is considered "good" speech and is encouraged by our betters.

On the other hand flying the flag is a symbol of your support for neo-colonial imperialism by a white race that wishes to exterminate all others in a quest for profit. It is also a symbol revered by "baby killers" in our so-called "Department of Defense". This is considered double plus un-good and must be crushed at all opportunity.

45 posted on 07/12/2012 10:57:20 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: Drill Thrawl; All

UPDATE:

BAN REVERSED
State reverses flag ban at Wrentham housing complex
WRENTHAM — The state has stepped in to reverse a decision by a Massachusetts town’s housing authority that barred residents from flying U.S. flags outside their homes.

A spokesman for the state Department of Housing and Community Development said Thursday that the flag ban was “a mistake that is being corrected immediately.”

The Wrentham Housing Authority notified residents of the policy through a letter taped to their doors Wednesday.

The unsigned letter says the move was made after a tenant made “repeated” complaints to the state housing department over the Fourth of July holiday.

Eighty-two-year-old tenant Barbara Marshall told The Sun Chronicle that she had no intention of removing the flag flying outside her home despite the order.

No one at the housing authority would comment.

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Information from: The (Attleboro, Mass.) Sun Chronicle, http://www.thesunchronicle.com

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20120712state_reverses_flag_ban_at_wrentham_housing_complex/srvc=home&position=recent


46 posted on 07/12/2012 11:00:34 AM PDT by raccoonradio (")
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To: DBrow

The Civil Rights Act is responsible for creating a mindset where upsetting the vast majority of people is necessary in order to accommodate one person. Theoretically in a Republic, majority rules. Not anymore. Although well-intended, the CRA was a mistake of EPIC proportions because it CREATED ‘protected classes’ at the EXCLUSION OF OTHERS. ‘Equality for ALL’ was already addressed in the Constitution and we should’ve left it alone!


47 posted on 07/12/2012 11:12:59 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: DBrow
All those opposed must go on record to speak out (the normal, American way to do things).

So it would be a bad political move to defend flying the flag of the United States within the borders of the United States?

I know I should not be shocked but I am and I am outraged.

48 posted on 07/12/2012 12:09:24 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

I don’t think it’s a bad political move. I’m just pointing out the asymmetry in the process, the anonymity that kicked it off, the public nature of the protests against the ban.

Someone claims some imagined “offended person” and issues some draconian edict.

I then have to identify myself to take it to the public domain, like standing up at town meeting or confronting the building manager who fabricated the “offended person”.

I think it would be great if the people there organized and protested and made a fuss and got lots of publicity.


49 posted on 07/12/2012 12:21:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Theoretically in a Republic, majority rules. Not anymore.

Actually in this country it never was true.

The entire purpose of the Constitution was to temper the will of the majority and protect the rights of the minorities. In that respect you are correct that the CRA was a mistake and unnecessary.

The purpose of the Senate in congress was to prevent populace states from using the power of the majority to overrule or take advantage of less populace states. This was also the purpose of the Electoral College to prevent populace states from having too great a power in choosing Presidents.

The founders as students of history had a great fear of majority rule and warned against mob rule.

I must say however that having decided that they would accept the advantages of suckling on the teat of the nanny state these tenants of the public housing have little recourse but to abide by the rules set by whatever ruling body the government sets over the housing complex.

After all whoever pays the piper calls the tune.

50 posted on 07/12/2012 12:34:07 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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