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Paul Ryan: We can definitely repeal at least 85% of Obamacare via reconciliation
http://www.therightscoop.com/paul-ryan-we-can-definitely-repeal-at-least-85-of-obamacare-via-reconci ^ | 7-11-2012 | Mark Levin

Posted on 07/11/2012 6:57:39 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

Paul Ryan was on with Mark Levin tonight to discuss how Obamacare would be repealed, and the budgetary process called reconciliation is the game plan. The nice thing about reconciliation is that it cannot be filibustered, but the down side is it only applies to legislation that has a fiscal impact. That’s why Ryan says that we can definitely repeal 85% of Obamacare because that percentage can easily be done via reconciliation. The remaining regulatory portion of Obamacare may still be included in the budget but that will be debated at the time. Even if it can’t be included Ryan says it would just be meaningless statute after the repeal of the rest of it.

But, he says, we must win the Senate or else we don’t stand a chance of repealing it with Harry Reid running the show.

Listen below:

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obamacare; reconciliation; repeal; ryan; sourcetitlenoturl
Paul Ryan gives us hope on the Mark Levin radio show tonight.
1 posted on 07/11/2012 6:57:53 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Have we forced them to pass a budget yet?


2 posted on 07/11/2012 6:59:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Very, very impressive interview! Even The Great One was impressed, and that don’t happen too dang often!


3 posted on 07/11/2012 6:59:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Why have they not drawn up articles of impeachment yet?


4 posted on 07/11/2012 7:00:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Although the cowards in the “media” like Shemp Smith keep whining, “We lost! Let’s just give up and MoveOn!”, most Americans are saying “We have not yet begun to fight!” We lost this battle against the bass turds but we’re in this war for the long run. America ain’t going down that easy. It’s not over. It’s just beginning.


5 posted on 07/11/2012 7:05:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help reduce voter fraud in America! If you see something, say something!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I totally agree. I do not intend to comply with anything this traitor comes up with. Not from A to Z.


6 posted on 07/11/2012 7:06:18 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Because they are cowards and need to grow some spine. The American people are behind them on that and they don’t even see it. Impeach the Marxist!


7 posted on 07/11/2012 7:06:18 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Saw Ryan on TV tonight saying that we must elect Romney to repeal and replace ObamaCare. What the hell? Romney is the FATHER of ObamaCare for crying out loud!! Even if he would repeal it what do you think the statist progressive bastard with replace it with?

Obama should be impeached! Reid and Pelosi expelled!! Roberts and all who upheld ObamaCare impeached!!

ObamaCare should be replace with nothing!! Other than repealing any and all laws and regulations that hinder health care providers.

Romney should go straight to hell!!


8 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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9 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You’ve got that right! We have just begun to fight. America does not want this and we are not going to just move on. Even my Democrat neighbors next door said to me “Well..we have ourselves a little dictator now don’t we?” They are never voting Democrat again. America is going to fight this at every turn.


10 posted on 07/11/2012 7:10:39 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't ya worry, Romney will replace Obamacare with RomneycareII:

'“If our priority is jobs – and that’s my priority – that’s something I’d change, and I’d replace it with something that provides the people something they need in health care, which is lower cost, good quality and the capacity to deal with people who have pre-existing conditions. . . . I’ll put that in place.”'

Top down, central planned healthcare. That's how its done! I'm a former CEO, this is how it works. I fixed Mass, I'm gonna fix whats left of America!

11 posted on 07/11/2012 7:12:43 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Even if it can’t be included Ryan says it would just be meaningless statute after the repeal of the rest of it.

Not to put Ryan down but we all understand there are
NO meaningless statutes as far as government is concerned.

Get rid of ALL of it!


12 posted on 07/11/2012 7:14:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I have not heard any more from Pam Bondi in Florida ever since she mentioned Romney giving her a job regarding his healthcare plan for the states. I think it caused a lot of push back behind the scenes.


13 posted on 07/11/2012 7:14:26 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It’s the 15% that is left that bothers me.

Knowing Romney’s Progressive Liberal side, he’s going to put an Individual Mandate in there with penalties at the least just like his RomneyCare.

This is not good!


14 posted on 07/11/2012 7:18:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: tet68

Damn right get rid of it!! The federal government has no constitutional authority to meddle in health care or demand that healthcare providers or insurance companies do a thing, mush less demanding that citizens purchase government approved products or anything else!! That would be tyranny!! The founders rebelled over crap like this. The usurping bastards can KMA, every damn one of them!! Ryan is looking up the wrong damned tree again!!

Romney is an idiot, claims that RomneyCare is a “conservative free-market” program. Riiight. And that’s why it takes government force to implement it. DSome free-market. That’s how the leftist progressive statist bastard thinks!!


15 posted on 07/11/2012 7:23:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m afraid that will go no where. As long as Harry has a strong hold over the Senate with his dozen or thugs, the Senate would refuse to prosecute any impeachment charges against the British Citizen. Rule: The House prepare letters of impeachment on given set of charges. Then it is passed unto the Senate to prosecute, if a majority vote in Senate is obtained.


16 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:01 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

No you need to get rid of the entire thing. If you don’t it will spread like a cancer. Lawmakers will add to it like lawyers are right now.


17 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SoConPubbie

If they passed 100% in reconciliation, then they can repeal 100% in reconciliation. The Ds wouldn’t hesitate to do that for a second. It is the useless Rs who think they are playing field hockey who get tangled up in playing a game of mother-may-I.

Repeal 100% and dare that ass bite Roberts to stand in the way.


18 posted on 07/11/2012 7:28:47 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Mr. Ryan,

Good luck with those words you spoke.

Freebies have never been repealed. Those in power want to be reelected.

The best we can hope for is a rollback.


19 posted on 07/11/2012 7:31:48 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Although the cowards in the “media” like Shemp Smith keep whining, “We lost! Let’s just give up and MoveOn!”, most Americans are saying “We have not yet begun to fight!”

Liberals are always whining that we should "move on" from fighting to kill ObamaCarelessTax because, after all, the Supreme Court has ruled. Then they go back to endlessly squawking over how Congress must do something to overturn the Citizens United decision.

The fact that most of them don't see the problem with that tells you all you need to know about liberalism!
20 posted on 07/11/2012 7:39:38 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Hard to put any faith or trust in Congress, as there’s always a GOP-e figure ready to backstab us. I can just envision the scenario where repeal seems to be in sight, but someone like Murkowski slithers out to side with the libs. Frankly, I’d want to see the states at the forefront of the battle. Nullify this POS garbage, and send it back to the bowels of hell that both it and Obama himself emerged.


21 posted on 07/11/2012 7:41:29 PM PDT by greene66
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To: LostInBayport

Good point.


22 posted on 07/11/2012 7:42:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help reduce voter fraud in America! If you see something, say something!)
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To: Marine_Uncle
From what I remember of the Clinton fiasco (thanks Fred), the house has to vote to impeach. Clinton was impeached. But, then the Senate has to convict. Clinton and Johnson were both impeached but neither was convicted.
23 posted on 07/11/2012 7:43:25 PM PDT by lag along
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To: Jim Robinson; All

For unknown reasons, our sorry Congress has stopped being a check and balance on themselves, and the two other branches of Government.

Holder runs around free as a bird, and NOBODY in Congress is talking about IMPEACHING The Creepy Kenyan!

Congress has not guts for Old Glory!

The operational shadow US Federal Government is The Regulation Nation.

Congress passes a bill, pOTUS signs it into law, and then the Regulators write, enforce and expand it to the whim of Regulation Nation.

Since Traitor John Roberts has joined this shadow Federal Government, none of the cowardly RINOs have dared to stick their necks above the sewage line of Obamanation.

We must change the political environment so that our magic leader will have the courage to emerge to lead us sheep.

Obama is just one Marxist Dictator, and we are 300+ MILLION sheep, just milling around waiting for a magic leader to arise.

There will not be a magic leader until us 300 + MILLION sheep demand that our precious, enslaving, vote-buying, “Entitlements” be cut 10 % per year until Entitlements can be sold off to private charities.

As long as Americans love to have the proud Welfare Eagle flying over their mailbox, we will have The Regulation Nation Shadow Federal Government protecting the vote-buying power of The Federal Welfare State.

This system is the one we, as a Nation, have voted for over 80 years, and it will not change unless we demand an end to it.

Without the RINOs, who have made a career of caving in to the Democrats, we would not have our Regulations and Predatory Welfare.

This National Election is all about fear of Obama.

Nothing much will change if Romney is elected as to decreasing Regulation Nation or The Welfare State, as the GOP Elite have made sure that they endorsed the most left-wing guy willing to run for POTUS.

We need to take over the Republican Party and run CONSERVATIVE Candidates in 2114, and 2016.

Or, just keep doing the frog-paddle in the ever hotter pot of water on the front burner of the Forever United State Of Free Welfare for All.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 7:45:50 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: lag along
The total process presented Impeachment Process for a US President
Notice within the process laid out for the Senate:
1. The Senate, in open session, will vote on a verdict. A 2/3 vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.
2. The Senate will vote to remove the President from office.

Hope that helps clear things up.
25 posted on 07/11/2012 8:01:53 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

That is what I thought. Obama can be impeached but not convicted so long as he owns 1/3 of the Senate.


26 posted on 07/11/2012 8:06:23 PM PDT by lag along
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To: Jim Robinson
The senate has not voted on a budget for three years. Reid rules the roost. If the house impeaches zero, the senate will need 67 votes to impeach. I don't see the republicans getting 67 votes together to vote zero out on his ear. Even after the next TWO elections, getting 67 republicans In there to oust zero is not going to happen.
27 posted on 07/11/2012 8:17:38 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If there are any organized protests in the Bay Area count me in!


28 posted on 07/11/2012 8:19:23 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: lag along

Obviously you understand the process correctly.


29 posted on 07/11/2012 8:19:38 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Yeah, it does. You put him on notice. The house can impeach and force a showdown in the senate. Show the people that “our” guys actually care about living up to their oath to defend the constitution and the the other side are all corrupt shirkers. The people thirstith for justice!!


30 posted on 07/11/2012 8:32:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm with you Jim. It would not hurt to at least have the House follow through on charges that can stick. Of course as where painfully aware, the HR Constitutional Lawyers might find it hard to get the wording just right so that the L/MSM and the leftest cannot cry foul play and have their arguments stick. Tis a cruel world at times. Heck. We can't even get the House to carefully examine him on his birth issue, then go for impeachment.

31 posted on 07/11/2012 8:40:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: going hot

I don’t care. You force their hand. Speaking of no budget, the Republican Senators should be moving to expel Reid!! They should not allow the bastard to get away with this crap!!


32 posted on 07/11/2012 8:43:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well, the pubbies better get on the stick quick before we lose it all. The chances of this republic surviving are getting thinner and thinner with each new statist or ineffective spineless RINO that gets elected.


33 posted on 07/11/2012 8:50:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Apparently nobody on FreeRepublic feels the need to read (or in this case, listen to) source articles before commenting anymore. Paul Ryan just laid out a perfect road map to the repeal of Obamacare - and the comments include tirades calling for Obama's impeachment (Yeah, that's going to happen four months before the election) and pointless tirades against Mitt Romney and even Paul Ryan himself. Did anybody actually listen to Ryan's interview with Mark Levin?

What I heard from Ryan was a clear road map to the full repeal of Obamacare. Ryan made clear that, without question, 85% of the law can be repealed without filibuster. He said that under the rules, the other 15% should be repealed without filibuster - but that the Senate parliamentarian would have to rule on whether it or not that part is subject to reconciliation. In other words, the fate of that 15% will be determined by which party controls the Senate - and the Senate parliamentarian. Did anybody hear that?

Here is Ryan's path to repeal:
1. Return a Republican House of Representatives;
2. Elect a Republican majority in the Senate; and
3. Elect a Republican President.

Congressman Ryan catagorically states the following:
1. The GOP House is united and will execute this strategy;
2. The GOP Senate leadership is in full agreement and is committed to execute this strategy; and
3. The GOP Nominee, Mitt Romney, is in full agreement and will support this strategy.

There you have it. A detailed and practical path to the full repeal of Obamacare, stated in plain English with no shades of gray. Mark Levin likes it, but Freepers greet the news with bitching, moaning and meaningless diatribes. Hey, Freepers... Listen to the damned interview and get your heads in the game! We have an election in less that four months, and the future is in our own hands. Let's vote.

34 posted on 07/11/2012 8:54:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Jim Robinson

Why have they not drawn up articles of impeachment yet?


35 posted on 07/11/2012 8:55:34 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Heidi Davenport)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

0-care can never stand. Most states will not increase Medicaid rolls because of budget deficits. Other states will not adopt the exchanges, forcing the Feds to set up and pay for the exchanges. Of course, the Feds have not budgeted or appropriated funds for this, so the federal exchanges may never be implemented. Meanwhile, the mandate will be in force. Most employers over 50+ employees will take the penalty and drop most of their employee insurance. The employers under 50 will drop insurance for most of their employees, but try to keep it for themselves and a few key employees. There will be a lot of middle class people making 60-80k that will lose their insurance and forced to buy into the exchange or pay the penalty. Most will pay the penalty because it will be less expensive than buying the exchange insurance. Remember, the insurance will be with post tax dollars, so it will be cheaper to buy insurance after one is sick because there will be no pre-existing disease exclusions. This behavior will put an upward pressure on insurance prices causing more people to opt for no insurance and instead take the penalty.
Then, it will collapse necessitating action. A single payer plan will be proposed by the Leftists, but there will not be the funds to implement such a foolish plan. By that time, interest payments will probably consume the budget.


36 posted on 07/11/2012 8:59:08 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Of course most all at your site agree with your dire sentiment. We certainly have a lot of work in the years to come laid out for us. And it starts with at least voting this November to kick the Brit out of office, as well as in some states getting rid of more RINOS, and dumping leftest for new energized Republicans.

37 posted on 07/11/2012 9:12:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“...... claims that RomneyCare is a conservative free-market program. Riiight. And that’s why it takes government force to implement it. DSome free-market. That’s how the leftist progressive statist bastard thinks!!”

The plan, HARD FORCED FASCISM.


38 posted on 07/11/2012 9:17:29 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
I don't believe this for a second.

Ryan's task was to motivate Levin's viewers to vote, and, as a teaser, to convince them, and Levin, that the Republicans will repeal ObamaCare.

I'll believe that when I see it.

That 15% are a hornet's nest of regulatory mandates that would create legal and constitutional problems for the government if not funded. Come next Spring, the Republicans will be saying "We can't just do that. That's too extreme. There are some good provisions that we want to keep for health care going forward. The American people want it replaced with a new plan and we must keep the good parts."

There will be horse-trading. Watch as the Tea Party congressmen are isolated again and people like McCain and Murkowski start crossing the aisle.

Even if the money portions are removed, the whole mess could be brought back to life by a Democrat or RINO President. Consider Medicare Part D under Bush.

I smell "motivate the base" BS.

Levin rolls over and wags his tail. He was so focused on the legal technicalities of reconciliation, that's his training after all, that he overlooked the politics. I find that disappointing.

39 posted on 07/11/2012 9:18:34 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Jim Robinson
We should do the work of challenging the “tax” notion in the U.S. Supreme Court ruling:

The Constitution recognizes four types of taxes:

1) “Duties, Imposts and Excises,” generally called indirect taxes, which must be uniform throughout the United States (Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 1).

2) Capitation, or other direct taxes, which may only be imposed “in Proportion to the Census” among the states (Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4).

3) Export taxes, which are prohibited (Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4;).

4) The income tax, permitted by the 16th Amendment, which can be imposed without apportionment among the states.

The Constitution does set limits on what can be taxed. I think the TaxOcare decision failed to consider those limits. Those who are Constitutional scholars should begin attacking the decision on the Constitutions definitions of tax and the idea that Congress cannot invent new taxes outside of the Constitution's definitions.

40 posted on 07/11/2012 9:42:56 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: jonrick46
2) Capitation, or other direct taxes, which may only be imposed “in Proportion to the Census” among the states (Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4).

4) The income tax, permitted by the 16th Amendment, which can be imposed without apportionment among the states.

Do you understand HOW the Supreme Court reconciled the direct contradiction between [Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4], and the 16th Amendment?

It recognized that they addressed DIFFERENT "PERSONS" - non-corporate, and corporate, respectively.

As such, Obamacare is NOT under [Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4], but IS Constitutional under the 16th Amendment.

That's what Roberts directly addressed when he wrote:

"The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax."

How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

41 posted on 07/11/2012 10:26:37 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Graewoulf
Nothing much will change if Romney is elected as to decreasing Regulation Nation or The Welfare State, as the GOP Elite have made sure that they endorsed the most left-wing guy willing to run for POTUS.

Bingo!

42 posted on 07/12/2012 12:37:35 AM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Hope that helps clear things up.

The Senate has nothing to say about impeachment charges being brought in the House, period.

Hope that clears that up for you.

43 posted on 07/12/2012 12:40:06 AM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: itsahoot
The Senate has nothing to say about impeachment charges being brought in the House, period.

Unless by two thirds majority, Chief of the KCOTUS presiding.

44 posted on 07/12/2012 12:49:57 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: itsahoot

Perhaps you should read my short statements and what I posted more carefully. I did not imply what you seem to think I said.
In no way did I imply the Senate has any rule over the House procedures or vice verse. Their two independent bodies.


45 posted on 07/12/2012 4:14:17 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Why have they not drawn up articles of impeachment yet?

Because unless Barack Obama is caught in bed, with both a live boy and a dead girl, the current US Senate will never vote to convict him.

(And even then a number of Democrats would just say "It's just about sex!")

46 posted on 07/12/2012 6:47:29 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: cynwoody
Unless by two thirds majority, Chief of the KCOTUS presiding.

The House can impeach, whether or not the impeachment charge results in removal, depend entirely on the corrupt Senate.

If the House bring articles of impeachment, then they would have great power of discover and could reveal a lot of stuff, that otherwise will never come to light. The question is Why Don't They?

47 posted on 07/12/2012 11:16:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: Talisker

Sorry, I am not buying it. The 16th Amendment specifies that a tax can be imposed on income. There is nothing about income in the Roberts decision.


48 posted on 07/12/2012 1:53:10 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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