Help End FReepathons by Donating Monthly!
Generous FReeper Sponsors are donating $10 for every New Monthly Donor!
Please Sign Up to Donate Monthly!
Posted on 07/11/2012 6:57:39 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
Paul Ryan was on with Mark Levin tonight to discuss how Obamacare would be repealed, and the budgetary process called reconciliation is the game plan. The nice thing about reconciliation is that it cannot be filibustered, but the down side is it only applies to legislation that has a fiscal impact. That’s why Ryan says that we can definitely repeal 85% of Obamacare because that percentage can easily be done via reconciliation. The remaining regulatory portion of Obamacare may still be included in the budget but that will be debated at the time. Even if it can’t be included Ryan says it would just be meaningless statute after the repeal of the rest of it.
But, he says, we must win the Senate or else we don’t stand a chance of repealing it with Harry Reid running the show.
Listen below:
(Excerpt) Read more at therightscoop.com ...
Have we forced them to pass a budget yet?
Very, very impressive interview! Even The Great One was impressed, and that don’t happen too dang often!
Why have they not drawn up articles of impeachment yet?
Although the cowards in the “media” like Shemp Smith keep whining, “We lost! Let’s just give up and MoveOn!”, most Americans are saying “We have not yet begun to fight!” We lost this battle against the bass turds but we’re in this war for the long run. America ain’t going down that easy. It’s not over. It’s just beginning.
I totally agree. I do not intend to comply with anything this traitor comes up with. Not from A to Z.
Because they are cowards and need to grow some spine. The American people are behind them on that and they don’t even see it. Impeach the Marxist!
Saw Ryan on TV tonight saying that we must elect Romney to repeal and replace ObamaCare. What the hell? Romney is the FATHER of ObamaCare for crying out loud!! Even if he would repeal it what do you think the statist progressive bastard with replace it with?
Obama should be impeached! Reid and Pelosi expelled!! Roberts and all who upheld ObamaCare impeached!!
ObamaCare should be replace with nothing!! Other than repealing any and all laws and regulations that hinder health care providers.
Romney should go straight to hell!!
You’ve got that right! We have just begun to fight. America does not want this and we are not going to just move on. Even my Democrat neighbors next door said to me “Well..we have ourselves a little dictator now don’t we?” They are never voting Democrat again. America is going to fight this at every turn.
'“If our priority is jobs – and that’s my priority – that’s something I’d change, and I’d replace it with something that provides the people something they need in health care, which is lower cost, good quality and the capacity to deal with people who have pre-existing conditions. . . . I’ll put that in place.”'
Top down, central planned healthcare. That's how its done! I'm a former CEO, this is how it works. I fixed Mass, I'm gonna fix whats left of America!
Even if it can’t be included Ryan says it would just be meaningless statute after the repeal of the rest of it.
Not to put Ryan down but we all understand there are
NO meaningless statutes as far as government is concerned.
Get rid of ALL of it!
I have not heard any more from Pam Bondi in Florida ever since she mentioned Romney giving her a job regarding his healthcare plan for the states. I think it caused a lot of push back behind the scenes.
It’s the 15% that is left that bothers me.
Knowing Romney’s Progressive Liberal side, he’s going to put an Individual Mandate in there with penalties at the least just like his RomneyCare.
This is not good!
Damn right get rid of it!! The federal government has no constitutional authority to meddle in health care or demand that healthcare providers or insurance companies do a thing, mush less demanding that citizens purchase government approved products or anything else!! That would be tyranny!! The founders rebelled over crap like this. The usurping bastards can KMA, every damn one of them!! Ryan is looking up the wrong damned tree again!!
Romney is an idiot, claims that RomneyCare is a “conservative free-market” program. Riiight. And that’s why it takes government force to implement it. DSome free-market. That’s how the leftist progressive statist bastard thinks!!
I’m afraid that will go no where. As long as Harry has a strong hold over the Senate with his dozen or thugs, the Senate would refuse to prosecute any impeachment charges against the British Citizen. Rule: The House prepare letters of impeachment on given set of charges. Then it is passed unto the Senate to prosecute, if a majority vote in Senate is obtained.
No you need to get rid of the entire thing. If you don’t it will spread like a cancer. Lawmakers will add to it like lawyers are right now.
If they passed 100% in reconciliation, then they can repeal 100% in reconciliation. The Ds wouldn’t hesitate to do that for a second. It is the useless Rs who think they are playing field hockey who get tangled up in playing a game of mother-may-I.
Repeal 100% and dare that ass bite Roberts to stand in the way.
Mr. Ryan,
Good luck with those words you spoke.
Freebies have never been repealed. Those in power want to be reelected.
The best we can hope for is a rollback.
Hard to put any faith or trust in Congress, as there’s always a GOP-e figure ready to backstab us. I can just envision the scenario where repeal seems to be in sight, but someone like Murkowski slithers out to side with the libs. Frankly, I’d want to see the states at the forefront of the battle. Nullify this POS garbage, and send it back to the bowels of hell that both it and Obama himself emerged.
Good point.
For unknown reasons, our sorry Congress has stopped being a check and balance on themselves, and the two other branches of Government.
Holder runs around free as a bird, and NOBODY in Congress is talking about IMPEACHING The Creepy Kenyan!
Congress has not guts for Old Glory!
The operational shadow US Federal Government is The Regulation Nation.
Congress passes a bill, pOTUS signs it into law, and then the Regulators write, enforce and expand it to the whim of Regulation Nation.
Since Traitor John Roberts has joined this shadow Federal Government, none of the cowardly RINOs have dared to stick their necks above the sewage line of Obamanation.
We must change the political environment so that our magic leader will have the courage to emerge to lead us sheep.
Obama is just one Marxist Dictator, and we are 300+ MILLION sheep, just milling around waiting for a magic leader to arise.
There will not be a magic leader until us 300 + MILLION sheep demand that our precious, enslaving, vote-buying, “Entitlements” be cut 10 % per year until Entitlements can be sold off to private charities.
As long as Americans love to have the proud Welfare Eagle flying over their mailbox, we will have The Regulation Nation Shadow Federal Government protecting the vote-buying power of The Federal Welfare State.
This system is the one we, as a Nation, have voted for over 80 years, and it will not change unless we demand an end to it.
Without the RINOs, who have made a career of caving in to the Democrats, we would not have our Regulations and Predatory Welfare.
This National Election is all about fear of Obama.
Nothing much will change if Romney is elected as to decreasing Regulation Nation or The Welfare State, as the GOP Elite have made sure that they endorsed the most left-wing guy willing to run for POTUS.
We need to take over the Republican Party and run CONSERVATIVE Candidates in 2114, and 2016.
Or, just keep doing the frog-paddle in the ever hotter pot of water on the front burner of the Forever United State Of Free Welfare for All.
That is what I thought. Obama can be impeached but not convicted so long as he owns 1/3 of the Senate.
If there are any organized protests in the Bay Area count me in!
Obviously you understand the process correctly.
Yeah, it does. You put him on notice. The house can impeach and force a showdown in the senate. Show the people that “our” guys actually care about living up to their oath to defend the constitution and the the other side are all corrupt shirkers. The people thirstith for justice!!
I don’t care. You force their hand. Speaking of no budget, the Republican Senators should be moving to expel Reid!! They should not allow the bastard to get away with this crap!!
Well, the pubbies better get on the stick quick before we lose it all. The chances of this republic surviving are getting thinner and thinner with each new statist or ineffective spineless RINO that gets elected.
What I heard from Ryan was a clear road map to the full repeal of Obamacare. Ryan made clear that, without question, 85% of the law can be repealed without filibuster. He said that under the rules, the other 15% should be repealed without filibuster - but that the Senate parliamentarian would have to rule on whether it or not that part is subject to reconciliation. In other words, the fate of that 15% will be determined by which party controls the Senate - and the Senate parliamentarian. Did anybody hear that?
Here is Ryan's path to repeal:
1. Return a Republican House of Representatives;
2. Elect a Republican majority in the Senate; and
3. Elect a Republican President.
Congressman Ryan catagorically states the following:
1. The GOP House is united and will execute this strategy;
2. The GOP Senate leadership is in full agreement and is committed to execute this strategy; and
3. The GOP Nominee, Mitt Romney, is in full agreement and will support this strategy.
There you have it. A detailed and practical path to the full repeal of Obamacare, stated in plain English with no shades of gray. Mark Levin likes it, but Freepers greet the news with bitching, moaning and meaningless diatribes. Hey, Freepers... Listen to the damned interview and get your heads in the game! We have an election in less that four months, and the future is in our own hands. Let's vote.
Why have they not drawn up articles of impeachment yet?
0-care can never stand. Most states will not increase Medicaid rolls because of budget deficits. Other states will not adopt the exchanges, forcing the Feds to set up and pay for the exchanges. Of course, the Feds have not budgeted or appropriated funds for this, so the federal exchanges may never be implemented. Meanwhile, the mandate will be in force. Most employers over 50+ employees will take the penalty and drop most of their employee insurance. The employers under 50 will drop insurance for most of their employees, but try to keep it for themselves and a few key employees. There will be a lot of middle class people making 60-80k that will lose their insurance and forced to buy into the exchange or pay the penalty. Most will pay the penalty because it will be less expensive than buying the exchange insurance. Remember, the insurance will be with post tax dollars, so it will be cheaper to buy insurance after one is sick because there will be no pre-existing disease exclusions. This behavior will put an upward pressure on insurance prices causing more people to opt for no insurance and instead take the penalty.
Then, it will collapse necessitating action. A single payer plan will be proposed by the Leftists, but there will not be the funds to implement such a foolish plan. By that time, interest payments will probably consume the budget.
“...... claims that RomneyCare is a conservative free-market program. Riiight. And that’s why it takes government force to implement it. DSome free-market. That’s how the leftist progressive statist bastard thinks!!”
The plan, HARD FORCED FASCISM.
Ryan's task was to motivate Levin's viewers to vote, and, as a teaser, to convince them, and Levin, that the Republicans will repeal ObamaCare.
I'll believe that when I see it.
That 15% are a hornet's nest of regulatory mandates that would create legal and constitutional problems for the government if not funded. Come next Spring, the Republicans will be saying "We can't just do that. That's too extreme. There are some good provisions that we want to keep for health care going forward. The American people want it replaced with a new plan and we must keep the good parts."
There will be horse-trading. Watch as the Tea Party congressmen are isolated again and people like McCain and Murkowski start crossing the aisle.
Even if the money portions are removed, the whole mess could be brought back to life by a Democrat or RINO President. Consider Medicare Part D under Bush.
I smell "motivate the base" BS.
Levin rolls over and wags his tail. He was so focused on the legal technicalities of reconciliation, that's his training after all, that he overlooked the politics. I find that disappointing.
The Constitution recognizes four types of taxes:
1) “Duties, Imposts and Excises,” generally called indirect taxes, which must be uniform throughout the United States (Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 1).
2) Capitation, or other direct taxes, which may only be imposed “in Proportion to the Census” among the states (Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4).
3) Export taxes, which are prohibited (Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4;).
4) The income tax, permitted by the 16th Amendment, which can be imposed without apportionment among the states.
The Constitution does set limits on what can be taxed. I think the TaxOcare decision failed to consider those limits. Those who are Constitutional scholars should begin attacking the decision on the Constitutions definitions of tax and the idea that Congress cannot invent new taxes outside of the Constitution's definitions.
4) The income tax, permitted by the 16th Amendment, which can be imposed without apportionment among the states.
Do you understand HOW the Supreme Court reconciled the direct contradiction between [Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4], and the 16th Amendment?
It recognized that they addressed DIFFERENT "PERSONS" - non-corporate, and corporate, respectively.
As such, Obamacare is NOT under [Art 1, sec. 2, cl. 3; Art. 1, sec. 9, cl. 4], but IS Constitutional under the 16th Amendment.
That's what Roberts directly addressed when he wrote:
"The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax."
Bingo!
The Senate has nothing to say about impeachment charges being brought in the House, period.
Hope that clears that up for you.
Unless by two thirds majority, Chief of the KCOTUS presiding.
Perhaps you should read my short statements and what I posted more carefully. I did not imply what you seem to think I said.
In no way did I imply the Senate has any rule over the House procedures or vice verse. Their two independent bodies.
Because unless Barack Obama is caught in bed, with both a live boy and a dead girl, the current US Senate will never vote to convict him.
(And even then a number of Democrats would just say "It's just about sex!")
The House can impeach, whether or not the impeachment charge results in removal, depend entirely on the corrupt Senate.
If the House bring articles of impeachment, then they would have great power of discover and could reveal a lot of stuff, that otherwise will never come to light. The question is Why Don't They?
Sorry, I am not buying it. The 16th Amendment specifies that a tax can be imposed on income. There is nothing about income in the Roberts decision.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.