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U.S. Air Force considers training changes after sex scandal
Reuters ^ | Sat Jul 7, 2012 9:37am EDT | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 07/07/2012 2:43:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The U.S. Air Force is considering whether to revamp basic training for recruits, including separate training for women and men, following the worst U.S. military sex scandal in 16 years involving a dozen male drill sergeants accused of abusing women.

Twelve male military training instructors at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, the home of all Air Force basic training, are under investigation for seeking sexual favors from female Air Force trainees.

Six instructors have been referred to court martial on charges ranging from attempting to have a sexual relationship with a recruit to adultery and aggravated sexual assault.

The first of the court martials begins on July 16, when Sergeant Luis Walker will face several counts of aggravated sexual assault, attempted sexual assault, having an unprofessional relationship, adultery and obstructing justice. He could face life in prison.

The investigation so far has identified 31 victims of abuse by the trainers, according to General Edward Rice, the commander of Air Force training. "We are leaving no stone unturned," he said last week.

In the Air Force, women and men serve together in units, known as training flights, and they live either in separate barracks or across the hall from male trainees, with separate bathing and sleeping areas.

About 10 percent of the drill sergeants—known in the Air Force as Military Training Instructors (MITs)—are female and they command both men and women. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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KEYWORDS: airforce; basictraining; clintonlegacy; doublestandard; itsjustsex; military; sex; sexscandal
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1 posted on 07/07/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sex scandals were predicted. As an aside I would like to see pictures of the perps. I can’t wait for the first scandal involving Fag sargents and pink young boy recruits!


2 posted on 07/07/2012 2:47:42 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Olog-hai

For thousands of years, military organizations have prohibited the involvement of women.

Now, in its infinite PC wisdom, America has foolishly thrown men and women together in extremely high stress environments.

Other than that, no comment is necessary.


3 posted on 07/07/2012 2:48:41 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Olog-hai

If we are going to consider separate training for men and women and same sex trainers, shouldn’t we also consider that gays and lesbians can only train their same as well. After all what’s the difference between male trainers over women and any others with same sex orientations over their trainees?


4 posted on 07/07/2012 2:49:10 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Olog-hai
Maybe it would be better to just do the simple thing and get rid of the chicks.

In most of my work environments, they were just a pain-in-the-a$$ anyway.

No reason to believe it would be any different in the military.

Occam's Razor.

5 posted on 07/07/2012 2:50:24 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

The WACS used to be a separate squadron. Gee, maybe that wasn’t such a bad idea. So who should be a drill instructor for a flight of homosexual men? A straight women?


6 posted on 07/07/2012 2:57:13 PM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: Olog-hai

How is this different than what Clinton did?


7 posted on 07/07/2012 3:03:42 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Truth29

The premise used to be that if you put men and women together sooner or late they would have sex.

Today the same goes for men and men, and women and women.

It’s the new America.

Won’t be long before some drill instructor will be asking their male recruits for sex.It’s going to happen as sure as the sun will rise.


8 posted on 07/07/2012 3:04:57 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

They won’t be reporting what’s happening on Submarines, with a few women onoard a sub. You can bet they’re making a LOT of extra money there.


9 posted on 07/07/2012 3:06:57 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Olog-hai
Six instructors have been referred to court martial on charges ranging from attempting to have a sexual relationship with a recruit to adultery

Since this is no longer criminal in many states, what is the charge?

If same sex sodomy is now permissible in the military (AND CELEBRATED) who's to "judge"?

10 posted on 07/07/2012 3:07:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: Olog-hai
The first of the court martials begins on July 16, when Sergeant Luis Walker will face several counts of aggravated sexual assault, attempted sexual assault, having an unprofessional relationship, adultery and obstructing justice. He could face life in prison.

And yet the Commander in Chief from 1993-Jan 20, 2001 was an adulterer, had an unprofessional relationship in the Oval Office, deployed troops while receiving a hummer, engaged in adultery and sexual assault and intimidation.

11 posted on 07/07/2012 3:09:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: Olog-hai
The first of the court martials begins on July 16, when Sergeant Luis Walker will face several counts of aggravated sexual assault, attempted sexual assault, having an unprofessional relationship, adultery and obstructing justice. He could face life in prison.

And yet the Commander in Chief from 1993-Jan 20, 2001 was an adulterer, had an unprofessional relationship in the Oval Office, deployed troops while receiving a hummer, engaged in adultery and sexual assault and intimidation.

12 posted on 07/07/2012 3:09:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: All

“charges ranging from attempting to have a sexual relationship with a recruit to adultery”

If a homosexual is ‘married’ to another homosexual does the military recognize the marriage and charge them for adultery, too? Or are married homosexuals given a pass because homosexual marriage is not recognized? The military would need to charge for equal justice under the laws but then that recognition opens a whole ‘nother can of worms.

So many questions and possibilites, what a mess...


13 posted on 07/07/2012 3:25:15 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Jack Hammer

You seem to haZ a comprehension issue. Liberals have told us that History, fact, reason and logic are not relavent to this discussion.

If a person ‘feels’ that a thing should be a way, it is so.. Thus the military is required to totally rearrange itself to comply. And it is the responsibility of you and I to pay for any cost incurred so that they get their participation trophy and don’t ‘feel’ their self esteem is negatively impacted.

Have you learned nothing since LBJ?

/s


14 posted on 07/07/2012 3:32:07 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Olog-hai

I mean what the heck is a DRILL Sargent supposed to do?

Never forget at dear ol Lackland, our drill area was near where the “ladies” marched with their bulldyke Drill Sargent. She was overheard loadly telling the girls that there was 5 miles of d___ at Lackland and if they didn’t get their heads out of their a____, they would not get an inch of it. Of couse she didn’t bother to also tell them they were feeding us 5 lbs. of potassium nitrate a day EACH.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 3:35:27 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Since this is no longer criminal in many states, what is the charge?"

Adultery has long been, and remains a criminal charge under the UCMJ.

16 posted on 07/07/2012 3:38:47 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jack Hammer
I think the sexual revolution has finally conquered the last bastion of honor, respect, & decorum - the military.

Certainly horny, homosexual, and/or abusive drill Sgts have existed since drill Sgts existed. The difference is the lax personal moral codes that apparently elude many in the military, & their inability to control themselves even in a very controlled environment.

That this is happening even in the elite military academies indicates a general decline in the value of honor & morality.

17 posted on 07/07/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: MulberryDraw

I wish I had taken a pic of the womens compound

in Quang Tri,this thing was surrounded by concertina

wire with an MP post at the entrance.

These new rules were made to destroy the US military.


18 posted on 07/07/2012 4:17:14 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Olog-hai

If only somebody could have predicted this kind of behavior.


19 posted on 07/07/2012 4:18:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: Mister Da
Certainly horny, homosexual, and/or abusive drill Sgts have existed since drill Sgts existed.

"EW!"


20 posted on 07/07/2012 4:25:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: X-spurt
I mean what the heck is a DRILL Sargent supposed to do?

I call BS on your story. It is spelled 'Sergeant', and the USAF calls them TI's. Anyone who has been through BMT knows this.

So, were you ever even at Lackland or did someone else sell you this pile of BS?

21 posted on 07/07/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: elkfersupper

get rid of the chicks......they were just a pain-in-the-a$$ anyway.

Sweet! I’m sure they thought just as much of you!


22 posted on 07/07/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: Venturer
The premise used to be that if you put men and women together sooner or late they would have sex.

Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster ... A man and a woman alone together will hardly think of saying their prayers. The wisdom of our ancestors, but oh, we know so much better.

23 posted on 07/07/2012 5:08:45 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Putting young men & women together in a high stress environment and being surprised when sex occurs is like mixing dynamite & napalm and declaring that “sparks are against our policy.”


24 posted on 07/07/2012 5:13:53 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

So just why would I give a damn what some halfwit wannabe thinks about anything?

Son, I was at Lackland before you wuz even a twinkle in yu Dad’s eye. Now run along and try to impress some crossdresser with your fakeo cage fighter BS.


25 posted on 07/07/2012 5:38:50 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Olog-hai
The U.S. Air Force is considering whether to revamp basic training for recruits, including separate training for women and men

And 100% of the lesbians in the polling sample thought this was a great idea.


26 posted on 07/07/2012 5:46:44 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I can’t wait for the first scandal involving Fag sargents and pink young boy recruits!

With the pro-homo administration we now have, the young recruits would be charged with a hate crime for referring to the old queens as "fags", and then charged with discrimination for admitting they would have sex with females but not males.


27 posted on 07/07/2012 5:56:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Olog-hai

The PC god strikes again.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 6:05:40 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Olog-hai

Separate but equal training??? Is that allowed?


29 posted on 07/07/2012 6:10:53 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: 2banana

Why can’t we bring new policies up for review after so many years? We had all of these dumb policies put in place during the “I am woman hear me roar” era and we are still stuck with them. No one ever questions whether they have worked well or not or if they are actually good for the duties of the military.


30 posted on 07/07/2012 6:21:23 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: TSgt

Your silence is deafening.


31 posted on 07/07/2012 7:25:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Exactly. Second coming of Jim Crow.


32 posted on 07/07/2012 7:33:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: X-spurt
So just why would I give a damn what some halfwit wannabe thinks about anything?

It's not about what I think. It is about fact. You are full of BS. Others have noticed, but I called you on it.

33 posted on 07/08/2012 8:04:03 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a feeling Gen. LeMay would have skinned their scrawny hides and dropped them out of the belly of a B-52


34 posted on 07/08/2012 8:07:55 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Olog-hai
if they don't enforce fraternalizaion rules among the heteros, the homos are going to go off the deep end...

sorry thing about this story to me is that probably most of these male instructors are married with children....how sad.....

35 posted on 07/08/2012 10:04:22 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: Jack Hammer
tell my mother who was in the Navy nurse corp in WW2 that she wasn't part of a military organization....

but I agree with the general consensus that its over the top now....

why are males "instructing" females but then again, what's worse?...lesbians instructing?....its a no win situation, soon to become worse with open homosexuality the new fad....

36 posted on 07/08/2012 10:07:31 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I say you know nothing about what you claim regarding what “others” thought. So how did you learn ALL of the “others” thoughts, by ESP? Or was it just you and that frog in your pocket?

Look jerk, unless you were there in 62, you have no way to make any claim to fact or fiction. Obviously you wish it wasn’t so and got cranked up because of some PC sensativity. Much to my chagrin, I was there, I personally witnessed the incident.

I’ll be damn happy to take this as far as you wish. You picked the wrong dude to try running over!

Now you go have a good day jacking with someone easier to push around.


37 posted on 07/08/2012 10:12:37 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
I’ll be damn happy to take this as far as you wish.

It's easy to be tough on the internet. Go eat your saltpeter and settle down.

38 posted on 07/09/2012 8:41:59 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

From looking at your post history, looks like you are probably some DU troll coming on now and then and getting into fights with every poster.


39 posted on 07/09/2012 8:50:43 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
I overheard the exact same comment circa 1990. Those DI’s need to get some new material.

And do you foolishly think they also fed us something to make us constipated? Rumors about being fed salt peter were just that - rumors. Something to explain a curious lack of sexual arousal in 18 year old men - but the truth is that they have the recruits in an animal state of fear so much that you cannot relax enough to take a sh*t - let alone get sexually aroused.

Either I built up a tolerance after a couple weeks or have an irrepressible libido - because soon after I relaxed enough to defecate - my other bodily functions also returned to normal.

40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:52:27 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Rumors about being fed salt peter were just that - rumors.

Exactly.

41 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:17 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: allmendream

First its the DU troll Halfassed Conspiracy now half constipation...... LOL. You ain’t got ya two IDs do you? Just funnin ya, your posting are vastly different.

Maybe they didn’t need to give you Rainbos “extra salt”, but back in the day they sure did, got stuck on KP once or twice and the “Food Service Chefs” admitted it. We must have been hornier little SOBs.

Regarding the “Miles and not an inch”, I know what I heard in September 62, not from one of the TIs. More likely that bulldyke TI was still yelling the same thing at those poor girls.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 10:51:21 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
Well the pet hypothesis (won't dignify it by calling it a theory) during my day was that it was in the mandatory two glasses of water they made you drink before every meal - as the Instructors all ate the SAME FOOD from the SAME CHOW LINE.

Considering the sex scandal - maybe they SHOULD feed those Instructors some salt peter!!!!

And yeah - they use the same material since 1962.

“Where you from son?”

“SIR! Airman Allmendream reports as ordered - California Sir!”

“Well only fruits and nuts come from California - which one are you?”

“SIR! Given that choice - I would be a nut Sir!”

“Good answer!”.

43 posted on 07/09/2012 10:56:22 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Lackland was definatley a shite situation! AF has it mostly easy the rest of enlisment, but the crap at Boot makes up for it.

When my son came of age, I told him to never consider the AF, that Navy was the way to go and have been proven right.
AF hitech does not outweight AF horseshit.

Best thing AF did for me was March AFB Riverside during the 60’s “Let’s go surfin” days. Good thing the Lackland SP wore off just in time for SoCal’s start of Free Love!!!


44 posted on 07/09/2012 12:32:00 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
So if the salt peter was supposedly in the food....

and the Instructors all ate the same food....

why was there a sex scandal?

I mean you got it on good authority from the COOKS that they were slipping salt peter in the food - no chance that they were pulling your chain - no chance at all.

So how were the Instructors - after decades of ingesting salt peter - able to get themselves into a sex scandal?

45 posted on 07/09/2012 12:44:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Something simply defy explaination.

FYI, I never saw any TI consuming the same rations.

Trying to factually discuss a long previous situation neither of us have access to many fact on, is futile.

Lighten up dude. As long as they didn’t feed us plutonium, anything you live through makes you stronger.


46 posted on 07/09/2012 2:32:00 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
Well during my time they ate the exact same food.

What were they eating at “the Snake Pit” while you were there - lunches from home?

I am quite bemused that you still believe they were (or needed to) slip us salt peter.

It is apparently quite a persistent rumor.

But they no more needed to curtail our libido than they needed to make us constipated. Both were symptoms of the same thing - being in an animal state of fear with nothing of your own surrounded by strangers in a hostile situation where people kept yelling at you.

“I'm going to ‘recycle’ you so far back - your momma is going to suffer labor pains!”

47 posted on 07/09/2012 2:48:36 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: X-spurt
Something simply defy explaination.

Lookie here! You learned something. Those things are called BS.

FYI, I never saw any TI consuming the same rations.

A twofer! You know now that they are TIs and not "Drill Sargents".

Way to go.

48 posted on 07/09/2012 3:54:09 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: allmendream
It is apparently quite a persistent rumor.
Saltpeter in the water: False
49 posted on 07/09/2012 3:59:09 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Get lost, troll. You are nothing but a troublemaker.


50 posted on 07/09/2012 4:10:08 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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