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Romney Criticizes Roberts ObamaCare Decision as 'Political, not based on Constitution'
CBS News via Twitter ^ | Wednesday, July 4, 2012 | Caroline Horn, Senior Producer for Politics, CBS News

Posted on 07/04/2012 4:33:47 PM PDT by kristinn

Caroline Horn‏@CNHorn

On @CBSEveningNews, @cbsjancrawford says Romney told her Roberts' opinion seemed political, not based on Constitution.


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To: hinckley buzzard
Well smell you. I'm sure you just gave the Romney team an anxiety attack.

The mittbots sure are having a lot of anxiety attacks around here.

101 posted on 07/05/2012 7:20:22 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Romney replies that states like MA can impose a fine without calling it a tax to make it constitutional but at the Federal level it must be called a tax.”

Is this accurate?


102 posted on 07/05/2012 7:21:58 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Romney needs to explain SPECIFICALLY : Why does Obama-care kill jobs but Romney-care doesnt?”

LOL, they are not the same. Romneycare is only 70 pages long and Obamacare has 2,700 pages.

There’s a survey out by the chamber of commerce saying that 2 out of 3 business owners are less likely to hire new employees because of Obamacare.

A similar survey in Massachussets showed that Romneycare had no impact in their hiring decisions (it only affects about 6% of the population).


103 posted on 07/05/2012 7:22:18 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: xzins

Your boy Virgile Good has said nothing about it (his party has). Is he even still alive?


104 posted on 07/05/2012 7:23:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: GOPsterinMA

No.


105 posted on 07/05/2012 7:25:01 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
RE :”“Romney needs to explain SPECIFICALLY : Why does Obama-care kill jobs but Romney-care doesnt?”....
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LOL, they are not the same. Romneycare is only 70 pages long and Obamacare has 2,700 pages.

That would be a good start, but HE must do it.

106 posted on 07/05/2012 7:26:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: GOPsterinMA
RE :“Romney replies that states like MA can impose a fine without calling it a tax to make it constitutional but at the Federal level it must be called a tax.”
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Is this accurate?

Please be more specific with your question so I don't go off on a tangent.

107 posted on 07/05/2012 7:29:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: GOPsterinMA

States can impose whatever is allowed by its constitution as long it doesn’t involve a right resevered by the US Constitution to the federal govt.


108 posted on 07/05/2012 7:29:47 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: GOPsterinMA
Is this accurate?

It's a sloppy way of saying that the 10th Amendment allows states to do things the feds can't. The feds can (according to SCOTUS) do the mandate only through its taxing authority. Depending on the state constitutions, the states may not be limited to doing this under their taxing power.
109 posted on 07/05/2012 7:31:33 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: opentalk

The only person who will fight for conservative values and would jump on Obama like a bulldog on a porkchop is Sarah Palin. But Romney will be scared of the liberals and will not pick her. Sad. She should be on top of the ticket. No one in the Republican Party comes near her magnitism and ability to express conservative values and connect with the common man like she does. She’s the female version of Ronald Reagan and it’s time the Beltway snobs realize it.


110 posted on 07/05/2012 7:35:13 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Perdogg
States can impose whatever is allowed by its constitution as long it doesn’t involve a right resevered by the US Constitution to the federal govt.

Hmmmm...I'm not so sure about that.

In the case of something like education I would agree with you. There is absolutely no enumerated power that legitimately allows the national government to have anything to do with it. But many, if not most, of the state constitutions do grant power to the state governments to govern in this area.

But the imposition of flat-out socialism? That's highly debatable, since the U.S. Constitution requires that each state be guaranteed a republican form of government. Is that possible under socialism?

I guess it comes down to how you define republican governance, in the American sense of the words.

111 posted on 07/05/2012 7:38:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: DaveInDallas; BarnacleCenturion; Perdogg; sickoflibs; Impy

So, the 10th Amendment allows RomneyCare and it’s “fees”, which are paid to the MA DOR (and yes, I have been fined/taxed/whatever one wants to call it).

So basically, Gloves argument is: Rom-bamaCare on a national level is bad; on a state level is good.

I can tell you all, on a state level it SUCKS!


112 posted on 07/05/2012 7:54:59 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit.)
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To: GOPsterinMA
Even Scalia has stated in a number of opinions, whether they were Per Curiam or dissent, that some laws are constitutional even though they are dumb.

For example mandatory seat belt laws. It appears that no one is bothered by the blatant assault on the individual privacy such as these - although people should wear them I think these laws are a violation of civil liberities..

But the states have the right to impose these laws even though there is no power for the federal govt to require this. Manditory liability insurance is another example at the state level as requirement for driving a car.

I love Scalia, but I am still waiting for someone to justify his concurrence in South Dakota v Dole.

113 posted on 07/05/2012 8:07:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: cuban leaf; GOPsterinMA; Gilbo_3
RE :”this is something that really does play differently at the state level and if I were him I would explain the basic reason (eloquently, of course): That states are restrained by the simple fact that if business and citizens don’t like what they do, they can move to a different state. It keeps them “more” honest. When the FedGov does it, we’re all kinda stuck. It’s why FedGov involvement in the lives of the average citizen must be kept tightly in check.

I know Romney wants to avoid Romney-care and use states rights vs Federal limitations as a defense, BUT :

In 2009 Romney did a USA op-ed saying the Federal government should apply parts of the successful Romney-care at the federal level including the mandates. That was posted here many months ago. He also argued for the mandates at the Federal level in the 2008 debates echoing Democrats words now : It is needed to keep “free riders” from passing their medical costs on to others.

Romney never anticipated Obama-care mandate as becoming the overwhelming symbol Republicans would use to define it as evil, and their most desperate hope to have the SCOTUS throw it out, now lost.

He must explain why one law is good, the other is bad. He is in a hole he dug himself. He knew this was coming all through the primaries but still trashed the other candidates.

114 posted on 07/05/2012 8:09:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: Perdogg

Understood, P-Dogg! Thank you for the info.


115 posted on 07/05/2012 8:13:16 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit.)
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To: sickoflibs; All

“He must explain why one law is good, the other is bad.”

I suspect he’ll try to muck through and say it’s a states’ rights issue?


116 posted on 07/05/2012 8:15:52 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit.)
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To: GOPsterinMA
I can tell you all, on a state level it SUCKS!

I'm not surprised. And on a national level, it would be infinitely worse.
117 posted on 07/05/2012 8:16:44 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: GOPsterinMA; DaveInDallas; BarnacleCenturion; Perdogg; cuban leaf; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”I can tell you all, on a state level Romney-care SUCKS!

This is exactly why Romney is such a bad candidate to have now. He can't admit it, but he must admit it at the same time he cant.

My gal unelectable Bachmann would be calling Obama-care a dark curse on this nation about now pointing out how it chases jobs to China and Mexico. And she could say that Romney-care sucks too.

118 posted on 07/05/2012 8:17:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: GOPsterinMA
RE :”I suspect he’ll try to muck through and say it’s a states’ rights issue?

A shame the primary is over because I would like him to be asked to list 20 Federal laws that he thinks that are in the same category, valid at state level and invalid at Federal, and if he would have vetoed them. But the primary was mostly stupid questions.

Why states rights argument is a loser for Romney too(#114)

119 posted on 07/05/2012 8:22:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sickoflibs

Maybe she should have emphazied this instead of talking about gardasil. However, she refused to turn her guns on Romney.


120 posted on 07/05/2012 8:25:34 AM PDT by Perdogg
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