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McConnell: Odds long on Obamacare repeal
Canadian Times/AP ^ | July 3, 2012 | AP Staff

Posted on 07/04/2012 6:30:33 AM PDT by IbJensen

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., speaks to reporters outside the Senate on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. on June 26. On Monday, McConnell said the odds were against repealing Obamacare. Photo Credit:AP/J. Scott Applewhite

It's on his to-do list, but U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says the odds are against repealing the health care law championed by President Barack Obama.

The Kentucky Republican said Monday it's hard to unravel something of the magnitude of the 2,700-page health care law, WHAS-TV reports.

"If you thought it was a good idea for the federal government to go in this direction, I'd say the odds are still on your side," McConnell said. "Because it's a lot harder to undo something than it is to stop it in the first place."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: abortion; attentionteaparty; deathpanels; mcconneltherino; obamacare; republicrats; zerocare
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To: NewJerseyJoe

And a happy Independence Day to you


51 posted on 07/04/2012 8:01:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: IbJensen

Dear Senator
You are being interviewed for a good job. Can you honestly do the job we need in the time required.


52 posted on 07/04/2012 8:02:57 AM PDT by markthulen
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To: fatnotlazy
He's right. What he doesn't say is that there are too many liberals in both parties who have an interest in preserving death care.

And soon there will be voters in both parties who want to keep Obamacare (at least the parts of it that benefit them). It'll be just like entitlement reform; "You can take away their free stuff but don't dare touch my free stuff!"

53 posted on 07/04/2012 8:03:03 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Travis McGee
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.

I often wonder why the Justice Department can sue States in lower Courts since the supreme court has Original Jurisdiction in cases involving states.

You would be surprised to know how many Freeper, Lawyer types don't believe the Congress can pass laws, Not Subject to Judicial Review.

54 posted on 07/04/2012 8:16:55 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: Jedidah

I do believe the Senator is Revising his remarks, even to remove things he actually said.


55 posted on 07/04/2012 8:21:22 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: Leep
How did people like McConnel and Bonehead become the power brokers?

Just like any other powerful lawyer, they trade favors, bribe and blackmail until they are elevated.

56 posted on 07/04/2012 8:29:46 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: Perdogg
Maybe if you would stop believing everything you hear in the newsmedia you claim you don’t believe in the first place.

Maybe if you had watched him make the "hard to undo" quote on live TV, you would have a little harder time believing his new story line today.

He said what he said, now he is clarifying to the point that he didn’t say what he said.

57 posted on 07/04/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: IbJensen

Do your best Mr. McConnell, because we are watching.


58 posted on 07/04/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Defy by silence)
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To: 1010RD
This needs to be a campaign just like the 2nd Amendment and Life movements.

I hope not, we haven't had much luck with those two.

59 posted on 07/04/2012 8:35:04 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: HerrBlucher

Chamberlain?

Without a caption, most people are going to miss it.


60 posted on 07/04/2012 8:44:45 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: bluerose
...about a black grandfather and grandson playing ball and all the free screenings etc the grandfather can now get.

Well that just goes to show that all those opposed to ObamaTAX are racist, right ABC?

"Taking it away would be something only the KKK would do!"
--George Stepponallofus, Major Anchor and democrat Operative, ABC News

61 posted on 07/04/2012 8:50:43 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: stanne

My comment wasn’t about you! I meant that McConnell (the subject of the article), Boehner, and the other establishment RINOs should start talking plain, making bold statements, and start knocking some heads in Congress — rather than the same old game of “being collegial” with treasonous Democrats. Unfortunately, only a very few (Tea Party Repubs) seem to have the guts to do this. Boehner doesn’t want to upset his good golf partner Barry......


62 posted on 07/04/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Alas Babylon!

No, not Chamberlain, Caspar Milquetoast. Yes I should have captioned it, I would not have gotten it if I hadn’t posted it myself.

On the other hand, Chamberlain is apt description of McConnel too.


63 posted on 07/04/2012 8:53:55 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
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To: OKSooner
Preemptive cowardice.

The perfect response.

64 posted on 07/04/2012 9:02:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: IbJensen

It’s on his ‘to-do list’ ? Oh My.

Right below, Grow some.


65 posted on 07/04/2012 9:06:16 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

No, I totally got what you were saying.

Was reacting to your screen name. Was just talking to family on the Jersey shore and was nostalgic. They’re in for a festive day.


66 posted on 07/04/2012 9:11:10 AM PDT by stanne
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To: IbJensen

It will definitely hard when we have a spineless, gutless RINO leading the fight!


67 posted on 07/04/2012 9:13:22 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: IbJensen

McConnell’s attitude reflects the attitude of the caucus. You change the makeup of the caucus, you change what is pressuring McConnell in the background. This means it is essential to make sure people like Mourdock are elected in Indiana...him replacing Lugar in the caucus would make a difference...but we need more than that...we need to take the majority as well to even have a shot.

It is difficult to undo something once it is started of this magnitude. We know from experience that is spot on accurate. It is up to us to change the make-up of the Congress - especially the Senate - if we are to have any hope of undoing this, then once this victory is achieved, we must then really pour on the pressure to get it moving. That’s the reality we face.


68 posted on 07/04/2012 9:28:13 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: stanne

“I was so discouraged reading the headline as I thought McConnell was one of the sort-of good ones. The media is going full force in lie mode.”

“The headline is a fake”

I said as much when this was posted a couple days ago.


69 posted on 07/04/2012 9:49:16 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: IbJensen

What are YOU doing to make it possible? Harry Reid runs the Senate.


70 posted on 07/04/2012 10:05:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: IbJensen

Mitch is a no-ball, elitist, go-along-get-along appeasing, aisle crossing, chickenassed RINO bastard...


71 posted on 07/04/2012 10:09:22 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: itsahoot

Abortion is losing steam and take a look at the number of states with CC laws. We’re winning.


72 posted on 07/04/2012 10:15:52 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: newzjunkey
What are YOU doing to make it possible?

When you ask this question I assume It's me to whom it's directed. I, sir, am not in the U. S. Senate; rather the Senator from Kentucky is and he has done little to prove himself worthy. As a senior citizen, I have for most of my adult life done everything possible to turn this nation back from the precipice, but it is now in the hands of God and a gaggle of incompetent political animals.

73 posted on 07/04/2012 10:24:26 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: IbJensen

Well this is a disappointing push back...........


74 posted on 07/04/2012 10:35:17 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: fatnotlazy
Nothing will change as long as we have the present two-party system.

IMO we have a one party system. What we have a choice of is "heart attack(D) or cancer(R)".

What we have here is a battle for POWER, and I see little difference. Lord help us all.

Happy Independence Day to you all.

FMCDH(BITS)

75 posted on 07/04/2012 11:21:14 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: cripplecreek

>> Things will never change till the whole GOP leadership structure is razed and rebuilt from the ground up without juniors and seniors.

Yes, and that will require tremendous local effort and possibly a decade or two.


76 posted on 07/04/2012 11:33:52 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: stanne

In that case, happy day to you too! Although part of me fears that this may be the last Independence Day where the sun rises and sets over a land of the free.


77 posted on 07/04/2012 11:44:51 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Gene Eric
I was going to run against my township supervisor and had a small following. Fortunately a better candidate came along and we had one of those impromptu public meetings at the post office and I gave my go ahead and he's even using my slogan of "Your property, your business"

My reason for considering running was the little emperor attitude of our current supervisor. He wrote an editorial in the newspaper whee he stated that "I'll be damned if I'll allow any filthy oil or gas rigs on private property in My township.".
78 posted on 07/04/2012 11:47:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: IbJensen

It’s a tax. I can be repealed by a simple majority in the House and 51 votes in the Senate. Because it is a tax, repeal cannot be subject to filibuster.


79 posted on 07/04/2012 12:01:58 PM PDT by magellan
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To: IbJensen

First off, Ky get rid of the RINO.


80 posted on 07/04/2012 12:24:40 PM PDT by Shady (There is no separation of powers..they want to ace the people out...)
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To: IbJensen

The day is come now when I am FOR Ron Paul and all things he brings to our last hurrah, which is our convention.

GOPE have sold us cheap.


81 posted on 07/04/2012 12:47:16 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: IbJensen; newzjunkey

I contribute by voting against Establishment types. It started with me by NOT voting for McCain, but for Bob Barr (R-GA).

It is unfair to ask others to DO anything much beyond voting against Romney and all things Establishment, until YOU figure out a strategy to turn away money as our god and overcome the technology which is the single sure enforcer that YOU behave.

Rebellion in the manner of yesterday is history. We need brains able to level such a playing field, to counter the enforcers and so far none have shown up.


82 posted on 07/04/2012 1:04:35 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: bluerose

The spots are all over the place on Radio and TV, Of course the strategery is to make everyone PO’ed if these FREE BENEFITS are taken away by eeeevillll REPUBLICANS!
BUT, What we need is a PAC to buy time and tell these ignoramouses that NOTHING is free and it will cost you all dearly, much more than paying for the stupid test...AND if you are old you won’t get the treatment anyway, just a pill from King Bozo Oxydol’s “stash!”


83 posted on 07/04/2012 1:05:38 PM PDT by Shady (There is no separation of powers..they want to ace the people out...)
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To: Travis McGee

Limiting the jurisdiction of the Court here would not have helped. The problem with Obamacare is not that the Court ran roughshod over Congress. The problem is that the Court refused to overturn Congress (i.e., the Court was too restrained, to put it one way). Limiting the Court’s discretion would have accomplished nothing.


84 posted on 07/04/2012 1:24:55 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right,”

“Obamacare is wrong for Americans. It will destroy our health care system. This now means we fight every hour, every day until November to elect a new President and a new Senate to repeal Obamacare,” ~ Senator Rand Paul, Kentucky


85 posted on 07/04/2012 1:33:55 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Cheery, now.

There is much to do.


86 posted on 07/04/2012 1:50:24 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Cheery, now.

There is much to do.


87 posted on 07/04/2012 1:50:44 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
I don't agree. How? If Congress says, "We are restraining thd SC from hearing this case under A3 S2," it's a done deal.

(What we need is a "Just Read The Damn Constitution" party. It's is written in plain English, not Sanskrit!)

Article 3, Section 2: In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

In 1820, Thomas Jefferson expressed his deep reservations about the doctrine of judicial review:

“You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.”

88 posted on 07/04/2012 2:09:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Except that (1) Congress acts only by passing bills, so Congress could not restrain the Supreme Court from hearing the case without the President’s approval, (2) even if Congress could act alone, the Senate would have never gone along with that, and (3) Congress cannot strip the courts of jurisdiction in cases in which the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction, and several states were party to the health care case.

Moreover, all prohibiting the Court from hearing this case would have done would have been to leave the lower court rulings as-is, which would have meant that different parts of ObamaCAre would have been struck down and upheld in different parts of the country.


89 posted on 07/04/2012 2:55:18 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; CodeToad
I think you are a victim of conventional old "it's the way we always done it, so it's the way we must always do it" thinking.

That won't get the American car out of the ditch.

I swear, what we need is a "JUST READ THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!" party. We do NOT need a class of "judicial Mandarins" to interpret the Constitution for us! Not. At. All. We ordinary peons can use the tools plainly written in the Constitution to "self-rescue" our nation.

Naturally, this won't happen tomorrow. It will only happen at the end of a bitter political "Tea Party Revolution," as a means of offering a peaceful way out to the "Constitutional Mandarins," socialists, 'rats and other covert enemies of the Constitution, giving them a fig leaf short of a shooting civil war.

But it can, and it will happen. The alternative is abject, cringing surrender to the tyranny of 5 lifetime-tenured oligarchs. That, I will never, never accept.

Just hold course on Article 3 Section 2, wrtten in plain English, and not Mandarin or Sanskrit, and needing no Byzantine lawyerly interpretation: "The supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

It's just plain English. Don't be fooled by legalese smokescreens.

"...with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

In 1820, Thomas Jefferson expressed his deep reservations about the doctrine of judicial review:

“You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.”

We can win this. It won't be easy, but the PLAIN ENGLISH of the Constitution is on our side.

Don't suffer legalese smokescreens!

90 posted on 07/04/2012 4:41:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Some people are calling for a ConCon. Not me. The courts, the COngress, the President, even the States have all ignored it. What makes people think they would honor a new Constitution? They wouldn’t.


91 posted on 07/04/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: CodeToad

I think we need a “Just Read The Damn Constitution!” party.

No Mandarins to interpret 200 years of “implied” dogma.


92 posted on 07/04/2012 5:00:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
No, I'm "just read[ing] the damn Constitution!" In addition to the quote you're citing, Article 1, section 3 also states that "In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction."

That clause is NOT qualified by the language you cite. In other words, Congress CANNOT strip the court of jurisdiction over cases "in which a state shall be a party." Several states were parties to the ObamaCare lawsuit. As such, Congress had NO power (under the language of the "damn Constitution," as you put it) to strip the court of jurisdiction.

And, even where Congress can strip the courts of jurisdiction, it can only do so by passing a law. Article 1, Section 8 states that "The Congress shall have power . . ." That doesn't mean that Congress can do all of the things in Article 1, Section 8 without the President's signature.

Finally, again, stripping the courts of jurisdiction over the ObamaCare cases would not have accomplished anything. We WANTED judicial review of the law, because the law was passed by Congress. The case did not go as we wanted it to go, but it at least gave us a chance. Had the courts lacked jurisdiction to hear the cases, ObamaCare would have stood, no questions asked. How would stripping the courts of jurisdiction over ObamaCare have helped get rid of ObamaCare?

93 posted on 07/04/2012 5:44:33 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: IbJensen
The Kentucky Republican said Monday it's hard to unravel something of the magnitude of the 2,700-page health care law, WHAS-TV reports.

Hey Mitch, B.F.S!  Follow my lead, you spineless weasel.

Vote for repeal, get the President to sign it, and then:

Fire every single federal and/or state employee and/or bureaucrat who has anything to do with ObamaCare, confiscate their taxpayer-paid cell phones, iPads, laptops and credit cards and sell them for scrap.

Take every scrap of paper relating to ObamaCare and shred them, burn them and then bury the ashes at Yucca Mountain.

Rip out the phone and fax lines at every single government office implementing ObamaCare. Sell-off all the assets, furniture, fixtures, and turn out the lights, close the doors and padlock them.

94 posted on 07/04/2012 5:59:50 PM PDT by WeatherGuy
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To: cripplecreek

>> He wrote an editorial in the newspaper whee he stated that “I’ll be damned if I’ll allow any filthy oil or gas rigs on private property in My township.”.

Little emperor indeed. There’s a lot of that going around these days.

Dethrone the emperors!

Happy 4th!


95 posted on 07/04/2012 6:49:33 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
The "Exclusion Clause" comes last and is the final word. It's plain English. No obscure interpretation by legal Mandarins is needed.

"In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

"...with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."


96 posted on 07/04/2012 7:03:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: WeatherGuy

We’re definitely in accord!

These puffed-up political elites like the pasty-faced Kentucky Colonel, lack the fortitude to do anything against the bureaucracy they’ve helped create.

To stand there, before cameras and microphones and tell Americans that it’s hard to do what the hell they were elected to do in the first place is mindboggling. How they could allow or vote for enactment of this pile of paper designed to make our lives even more miserable makes honest men want to puke their guts out!


97 posted on 07/05/2012 3:31:36 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Travis McGee

You’re right, it is plain English. There are two sentences in the section dealing with the Court’s jurisdiction. The “Exclusion Clause” is a clause of the second sentence, modifying the second sentence, which deals with appellate jurisdiction. The first sentence, dealing with original jurisdiction, has no such clause. It’s plain English grammar: a clause in a sentence modifies that sentence.

Do you really want Congress to have the authority to strip the courts of jurisdiction over cases involving states as parties? Do you not realize how much that would expand Fedeal power over the states?


98 posted on 07/05/2012 5:46:35 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Sirius Lee

Get Sirius, Mitch is still a reject from the pigsty.


99 posted on 07/05/2012 6:15:09 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: Travis McGee
Enough Tea Party Patriots could lead a new Congress, and put the SCOTUS back into its box.

Acts of Congress are temporary and could (would) be reversed the next time Rats are in control.

Constitutional change, and radical change at that, is required. The states need a stronger voice - a veto, if you will - over not only the SCOTUS, but Congress and the President as well.

100 posted on 07/05/2012 9:31:26 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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