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Romney camp sides with Obama that health insurance mandate is not tax
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Posted on 07/03/2012 5:06:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan

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1 posted on 07/03/2012 5:06:28 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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2 posted on 07/03/2012 5:07:56 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

Romney has no choice because his on record saying this about Romney-care in the past.

I remember Coulter, Rove, McCain, Christie,... and a bunch of RINOs where I live claiming that Romney-care would not be a problem in this race against Obama and Obam-ney Care.


3 posted on 07/03/2012 5:13:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us. (it's Obam-ney Care))
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To: tsowellfan
This is largely what John McCain did in 2008 -- "What did Barack say? Well, I agree with him."

That's no way to run a serious campaign, Sparky.

4 posted on 07/03/2012 5:14:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Choosing between Roger Taney and John Roberts would be difficult.)
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To: sickoflibs

Mr. RomneyCARE INVENTED ObamaCARE and the idiot GOP
makes Mr. RomneyCARE their figurehead EXACTLY when
America HATES RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE.

GOP = The STUPID Party


5 posted on 07/03/2012 5:15:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: tsowellfan

Incredible stupidity. This is why the ‘Pubbies lose elections. The man isn’t elected yet, and is already stabbing conservatives in the back. We are SO screwed.


6 posted on 07/03/2012 5:16:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: tsowellfan

Time to mutiny, the new captain of the SS GOP has no clue how to steer the ship, has out of date maps for the shoals and thinks his vessel is unsinkable.


7 posted on 07/03/2012 5:17:42 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: tsowellfan

Way to go Mitt...stop being stupid and taking a winning issue off the table.

dumbazz.


8 posted on 07/03/2012 5:22:07 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: Adder
taking a winning issue off the table

worth repeating

taking a winning issue off the table

9 posted on 07/03/2012 5:27:40 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan

It matters not what the camp or Obama says. The question is decided. The argument is over. It is a Tax. The issue is decided.

If there is disagreement or disdain or hate, the remedy is not involved with what is or is not a tax. The remedy is involved in a process that tosses the tax out and doing it over in an acceptable manner.

Grumbling after the fact is irrelevant. It is a tax. The decision was handed down


10 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: tsowellfan

Romney appears to be the typical Republican Establishment presidential candidate, in the mold of Dole/McCain/Ford. His idea os the pinnacle is the Republican Party Nomination. He seems, at best, to be indifferent to winning the presidency, perhaps even averse. The Republican Party is afflicted with Gentlemen Politicians who want the acclaim of other Republican gentlemen but not so much the onus of governing.


11 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:06 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: tsowellfan

“Reagan-like Romney is,” eh?


12 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:25 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: tsowellfan
We can't have it both ways - criticizing Roberts for calling it a tax to make it constitutional then trashing Romney for agreeing, and not calling it a tax. Romney is siding with the dissenters, who made a much more compelling argument against the law. (All that commerce clause stuff feels good, but in not binding as precedent.)

The argument against Obama that he passed the biggest tax increase ever based on Obamacare is weak. The fact he thinks the Federal Gov’t can run health care better than the private sector and that he rammed through this unpopular socialist program remains the issue. It is what won the 2010 mid-terms. And, he ignored other pressing issues while ramming away. This is also a strong counter argument against immigration policy, economy issues, etc.

Although we all would have rather Roberts side with the conservatives on the Court, this decision will bring a lot of energy, anger and participation to those on the right. It may turn out to be the deciding factor in November. We need the Tea Partiers to get revved up again!

Romney is right - it is not, nor should have been ruled a tax. That being said, since it was ruled a tax, reconciliation works in the Senate and we only need 51 votes to overturn there- need 4 more seats. That is where the action will be!

We need Romney and 4 Senators to take back the country. During Romney's 8 years, a bunch of liberals will likely leave bench and with the Senate, we can get some real conservative appointed.

13 posted on 07/03/2012 5:33:54 AM PDT by dan on the right
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This is just the opposite of what’s being reported today. They are saying today that Romney agrees it is a tax. Gov Christie says its both a tax and a penalty.


14 posted on 07/03/2012 5:34:32 AM PDT by Harley
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To: tsowellfan

Every response on this thread, so far has bitten into the media bias, hook, line and sinker. It is leading into destructive behavior; Romney’s stupid, Romney’s doing what McCain did, etc, etc.

At worst, the Romney camp is guilty of not giving a clear and concise response. While that is a problem in and of itself, it is a far cry from capitulation to obama on the issue. And what is worse, Romney is right; it IS a penalty.

The Dems are trying to have it both ways; it’s NOT a tax, but rather a penalty (despite what the SC says) and it’s constitutional (despite what the SC says).

The Romney camp is saying, Gov. Romney has ALWAYS held that it was a penalty, and it’s constitutionally legal in the state of Mass. The problem is that they haven’t gone the extra step to explain how that fits with the SC ruling on the issue. Instead of lining it out in simple terms, they fumbled and assumed that people are smart enough to know the difference.

It’s obvious through the response of the libs, and the dazed look on the faces of people you talk to, that Civics 101, as taught in the US education system fails teach people how it all works. And that, combined with some people’s hate of Romney, or anyone else who is not a pure-strain conservative as they view themselves, is what will be the ultimate down-fall of our great nation.

My advice; teach people where they need to be taught. Die hard liberals won’t listen; most everyone else will, as long as you are teaching; not preaching.


15 posted on 07/03/2012 5:35:24 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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Addemdum, if what Harley posted about Romney changing his tune, then I think the Romney campaign is making a huge mistake.


16 posted on 07/03/2012 5:38:24 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig
Every response on this thread, so far has bitten into the media bias, hook, line and sinker. It is leading into destructive behavior; Romney’s stupid, Romney’s doing what McCain did, etc, etc.

I'm with you. I'm not in any way thrilled with Romney, but he's the only option on the ballot who (1) might win, and (2) claims he will repeal ObamaCare. If Romney does in fact win and keeps his word on repeal, it will not matter what he said about this being a tax or a penalty. If Romney is a loser or a liar, then things will get VERY ugly, and again it will not matter what Romney said.

17 posted on 07/03/2012 5:39:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: bboop

IT IS A TAX. The Supreme Court said so

http://www.mittromney.com/forms/other

http://twitter.com/MittRomney

https://www.facebook.com/mittromney

Thank you, bboop!


18 posted on 07/03/2012 5:39:24 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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Why do peddle Lies and Propaganda from the Compost .
Rombey did not say that but the Obama media is pushing that bs.

Are you trying to help the Obama media push this talking point here and divide US and get obama elected !

I don’t trust your motives here !!!


19 posted on 07/03/2012 5:41:54 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: dan on the right

Thanks for being a voice of reason.


20 posted on 07/03/2012 5:44:21 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: tsowellfan

No clearer example of why Romney was never the best choice from the GOP field.

1. Too moderate (I want to get along)
2. His record sucks
3. Foolish to even open his mouth and utter words (He should have just said “I respect the Supreme Court’s decision and will abide by it”.)
4. Out-of-touch with Americans who say “IT IS A TAX, STUPID”
45. Like McCain, trying desparately to fail.

We need new leadership. Sarah, where are you?


21 posted on 07/03/2012 5:45:02 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: tsowellfan

Charles Krauthammer looked foolish on Fox’s Special Report yesterday trying to explain away this stupid blunder by the Romney campaign. Get used to it, Charles. There will be more to follow.


22 posted on 07/03/2012 5:53:35 AM PDT by txrefugee
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Fehrnstrom is the idiot who made the infamous “Etch-a-sketch” comment. Judge a candidate by the advisers he keeps.

Fehrnstrom is a first class fool.


23 posted on 07/03/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by DManA
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Just how pointed are the heads of Romney’s advisors?


24 posted on 07/03/2012 6:09:17 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: tsowellfan
Romney agrees with Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.

I do too. Obamacare is an unconstitutional mandate.

I understand that it's time to play politics and things have to be done and said to win.

However, when I think about it honestly, in my view this is more of a Roberts tax than an Obama tax. The law that Obama passed was and still is unconstitutional. Roberts created his own law.
25 posted on 07/03/2012 6:09:38 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: tsowellfan

The way I see it, it’s a penalty AND a tax.


26 posted on 07/03/2012 6:12:29 AM PDT by crosshairs
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Further proving he’s nothing but Obama-lite.


27 posted on 07/03/2012 6:16:16 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bestintxas

Keep mentioning her.

Either she’ll be VP in 2012, rallying all our side to vote.

Or she’ll be President in 2016.

Or... Both.


28 posted on 07/03/2012 6:18:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: tsowellfan
Willard McCain?

Never mind the Romney campaign. Independent PACs will have to drag his pathetic arse across the finish line.

29 posted on 07/03/2012 6:20:22 AM PDT by skeeter
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The GOP does not intend to WIN!!! That’s the real issue here. They are not going to do anything except throw the fight! This is a totally rigged election, like the last one.


30 posted on 07/03/2012 6:20:58 AM PDT by Kratos
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I’ve said RINOmney is a vapid dork.

QED.

Welcome to the world of Obama lite if we elect the dork.

Which, I guess, is better than another four years of the Muslim Cretin.


31 posted on 07/03/2012 6:21:47 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Regardless of what “it” is...I’m feeling penalized already...and, I haven’t even refused to buy insurance yet.


32 posted on 07/03/2012 6:25:33 AM PDT by moovova
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What the hell difference does it make if it's a tax or not.

It is TYRANNY!!

33 posted on 07/03/2012 6:27:54 AM PDT by DManA
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This is a lying bullshit article trying to say that Romney agrees with Obama on Obamacare, when he does not.


34 posted on 07/03/2012 6:28:36 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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Look, the fine or penalty passed by Congress and signed by the President is NOT a tax, no matter what Roberts said.

Is it an excise? No.
Is it a duty? No.
Is it an impost? No.
Is it apportioned among the several States? No.
Is it a tax on income? No.

Therefore, it is not a tax in the forms that the Constitution grants taxing power to Congress.

Republicans who are jumping on the "tax increase" bandwagon are idiots.

35 posted on 07/03/2012 6:29:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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Are you trying to help the Obama media push this talking point here and divide US and get obama elected !

I don’t trust your motives here !

Can you show me the link where Mitt Romney has come out against THIS biggest tax hike in American history called ObamaCare? You post it here in comments and I will post it on FR (if it does not already have its own thread). Send me the link where Romney calls this for what it really is.

“The president said it was not a tax,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.” “The Supreme Court, which has the final say, says it is a tax.”

36 posted on 07/03/2012 6:30:19 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To the headline: of course he does.


37 posted on 07/03/2012 6:30:46 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jim Noble

The Supreme Court, which has the final say, says it is a tax.


38 posted on 07/03/2012 6:32:55 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: DManA
Judge a candidate by the advisers he keeps.

Ok, and Romney's advisers say he will not repeal obamaCare.

39 posted on 07/03/2012 6:34:56 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: tsowellfan
The Supreme Court, which has the final say, says it is a tax.

And the Supreme Court also says that abortion is a basic human right.
40 posted on 07/03/2012 6:41:01 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: svcw

Do you have a link to that?


41 posted on 07/03/2012 6:41:46 AM PDT by DManA
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Republicans who are jumping on the "tax increase" bandwagon are idiots.

I'm having trouble fathoming this comment.

The phrase "tax increase" is toxic in a presidential campaign.

Regardless of whether its a fine, or a tax, or a mandate, shouldn't Romney shove the SCOTUS ruling down Obama's throat by using the phrase, now that they've salvaged his signature legislation by using the "tax increase" rationale?

42 posted on 07/03/2012 6:43:50 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ncalburt
I don’t trust your motives here !

I take that as a compliment coming from you :)

"Mr. P.C." McCain: How he wants our votes but not our introductions

ncalburt, Wednesday, February 27, 2008: "Don’t bother rationalizing with the people suffering from McCain derangement. This crowd just looks for any excuse to trash McCain."

43 posted on 07/03/2012 6:46:39 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: DManA

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/25/romney-advisor-no-obamacare-repeal/
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/25/romney-advisor-come-on-obamacare-wont-ever-be-repealed-in-its-entirety/
And that is a just a quick search.


44 posted on 07/03/2012 6:47:02 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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MR is running web abs calling this a tax increase


45 posted on 07/03/2012 6:49:19 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: tsowellfan; Nachum

” - - - Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign on Monday rejected a Republican attack on the Affordable Care Act - - - “

What we have here is a GOP Elite-endorsed coward pretending to try to displace a Marxist Dictator in November.

Hang onto to your hat folks, as America is about to fall over the Financial Cliff!

Oops, sorry! I forgot, no politicians are talking about that yet. My bad!

Anyway, back to Romney: let us just DUMP that loser. The voters who care about the betrayal by Traitor John will remember how Romney did NOT embrace their outrage.

Romney has a great wife, great kids, great smile, and of course, great hair.

Romney’s great flaw is that he is the perfect candidate - - - - to lose again to Obama in November.

Just vote to ABSTAIN on the first ballot in Tampa. Vote, BROOM, done.


46 posted on 07/03/2012 6:51:28 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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MR is running web abs calling this a tax increase

Link?

47 posted on 07/03/2012 6:54:56 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan

Romney sides with the minority opinion, the mandate is unconstitutional. He can still hold that either it’s a tax or it is unconstitutional.


48 posted on 07/03/2012 6:55:05 AM PDT by 12chachacha
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To: tsowellfan

http://mittromneycentral.com/2012/06/30/barack-obama-and-his-dancing-ducks-the-obamatax/


49 posted on 07/03/2012 6:55:16 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: Jim Noble
it is not a tax in the forms that the Constitution grants taxing power to Congress

And therein lies the poison pill; Roberts only ruled that the mandate represents a tax. He did not rule on what kind of tax it might be, nor on the constitutionality of the specific tax itself.

The challenge will now be focused on the tax. Since the kind/type of tax isn't specified in the original act, it may be as simple as a lower court simply declaring the tax as unconstitutional, because it doesn't meet any the criteria you listed.

If a court allows Congress to refine/define what kind/type of tax it is, and if Congress doesn't then act, it could also die. Or, it could rule that the tax falls within one of your criteria, but then that opens up a whole new set of challenges regarding exemptions, etc.

Roberts is either a genius for throwing this in the quagmire of tax details, or he lit the fuse for CWII. If we start to see the next series of legal challenges, I will stick with my opinion #1.

50 posted on 07/03/2012 6:57:20 AM PDT by semantic
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