His prediction was 10 to 20 years old.
Personally, I don’t see the downside of secession. Let the Blue States pay the debt themselves.
Bump for later reading.
There is a part of me that would like to put conditions on the re-entry of said states. Unfortunately, in some cases, they won't be repentant, only seeking some relief while all the time scheming to re-institute their misery on those who are more prosperous.
Conditions would be:
1. Political leaders of said states would be imprisoned for life without possibility of parole, subject to a review of their activities in political office, and would be barred from future political office, engagement in the legal arena, or associations with government. Recidivists would invite prosecution of a capitol offense.
2. Members of the media in those states, who have engaged in blatant propaganda (knowingly or unknowingly) in support of said governments shall be banned from any future association with media activities. Recidivists and their enablers would be jailed similar to item 1.
3. Public school curricula would be reconstructed, subject to a review of subject matter. Educators would be evaluated on their history in the classroom as to whether they could continue in their careers.
4. Businesses that have been in partnership with said governments, and shown to have received favorable treatment (read:cronyism) shall have their corporate officers under review and those found to have been engaged in fraud shall be treated similar to the politicians in item 1.
5. Upon acceptance into union with the successful states, any and all laws that do not comport with the US Constitution will be null and void, and those arrested under said laws will have their cases reviewed for potential commutation of sentence or pardon.
I could think of more, but I no longer have any good will towards lefties. None.
CJ stands for “Court Jester.”
The sooner we begin talking about this “polite society” the better.
First, you have the "Sanctuary Cities." Then there is Arizona attempting to control its foreign border because the elites in Washington won't do so. Now we have states talking about opting out of Obamacare.
I have been straining to figure out how the U.S. will collapse. I concluded that secession will be the mechanism. When more and more states defy Washington, how can the federal government pay for armies to suppress them?
I don’t think Federal Troops would attack fellow Americans. But you can be sure they’d be ordered to if any state attempted to seceded.
BFLR
A free Republic of Texas with it's own ports, own power grid and own sources of energy could protect their own borders, establish their own financial and government centers, institute a flat tax and run economic circles around the United States if it holds fast to principles of individual rights and freedoms over the power of an overintrusive government.
In fact, Texas has the medical facilities now to be the doctors of choice to all those who want to flee ObamaCare and the Canadian Health Care system as soon as they cut ties.
All we need are enough people with the vision and the courage to make it happen.
” - - - America is in a financial death spiral caused by two Presidents who destroyed 4,000 BILLION dollars each. By any reasonable estimate, this is a US Federal Government-caused disaster.
So, my FR friend, are you saying: “Better the disaster we know than the disaster we don’t know?” Seems like all the frogs in that pot of very warm water are probably thinking that very same thought.
BTW, Article V was designed by our founders to allow citizens to “Escape From Captive Government.” Each State shall hold its own Constitutional Convention.
It will take many years to reach the required majority, 32 States. During that time, those who desire the European Style Feudal System, today called “Socialism”, will be put on notice that their parasitic days are numbered.
37 posted on October 3, 2011 5:18:38 PM CDT by Graewoulf ( obama”care” violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)”
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BTW, note the date of the above FR quote.
FDR began the Forced European Socialism of America with his now bankrupt Social Security System. For almost 80 years the Keynesian “dogma of debt” has ruined the economy of America. Obama”care” is the Death Knell for the finances of America, and the end of the Forced European Socialism Movement.
Bolsheviks Dodd, Franks, Obama and Traitor John Roberts have made the splitting of of the former USA inevitable, each in their own way with no check and balance coming from either political party.
Without an effective check and balance system, the Federal Government quickly shifts into the despotism that has made Europe so popular with Dictators, a point not lost on our Dictator Obama.
Article V Constitutional Conventions are an excellent method to avoid the bloodshed that we had with our Civil War.
I favor multi-State Republics with shared economic interests such as one that includes the States that the XL Pipeline will eventually be built through. Another Republic would be all of the States that the Mississippi River flows through. Atlantic and Pacific Republics are obvious, as is a Republic for the Rocky Mountain States.
In this manner people could vote with their feet and choose the amount of personal Liberty that they desire.
For me it will be the region based the Free Market “Invisible Hand” of Adam Smith, with NO Government safety nets!
Most all discussion is centered around the States but it is more of a rural against city battle. Huge parts of almost all states want nothing to do with the city progressives.
The military will wind up being the same. They may have most the military on their side or unable to operate however many units will fight for the rurals