White House Doubles Down: ObamaTax Not a Tax (Title should be: White House Spins)

Townhall.com ^ | July 1, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

[dps.inspect]

Somebody needs to make a cogent argument regarding the powers of government to levy penalties, since that is what they wish to call the healthcare tax. To the best of my knowledge, a penalty is what is paid when one breaks the law. But to the point, what power does congress and the executive branch have to exact penalties on the citizenry for a law that forces inactivity to become active even if they want to call it a penalty instead of a tax.

Remember the story of Daniel in the Lion's den? I see this argument in much the same way only in Daniel's case, it was well known that he actively prayed to and worshiped God on a regular basis. The king's wise men hated Daniel and wanted to find a way to be done with him so they drafted a law that stated it would be a capital offense to worship anyone or thing besides the King. They got the king to sign the bill, then presented their case to the king that Daniel must pay the penalty. It was a ruse and the king fell for it, without thinking.

Two points here; One is the fact that a ruse has been perpetrated on the American people; for Obama and the then Democrat controlled congress argued that the penalty was not a tax... but of course now it is a tax. Two, even if it can be construed as a penalty, what gives congress the power to write such a law that penalizes someone for continuing to live the way they have been living their whole lives? What powers don't they have if Obamacare stands?

[winner3000]

I’m so glad that they’re making Roberts look like the fool he is. He deserves it big time. No man has been in the perfect position to protect the Constitution like Robert is, and failed so horribly to not only protect it, but also blow it to smithereens with this new right the government now has of taxing us for NOT doing something!

[Terry Mross]

I think a lot more people are paying attention to this ruling than paid attention to the original debate and house vote. And they don’t like what they’re seeing. Nobody can afford a tax increase. Many are worried about being able to afford to buy groceries. obama’s peeps would be better off keeping their mouths shut.

[weston]

If It’s a penalty it is unconstitutional. Every time Obama and his minions say it is not a tax, our response needs to be “then it is unconstitutional. Period. It has been deemed to be legal ONLY as a tax.

[Mach9]

And good ole Ike was asked by BOTH parties to run. And, thanks to this colossus, we got the Warren Court and countless Rhinos.

[winner3000]

I think the best way to get the liberals on our side is to show them the danger of this new Supreme Court precedent of allowing the Government the power to tax us for NOT doing something. When Republicans get in power, I hope they tax movies that are R rated and above, X rated, tax people who DON’T have a bible at home, etc. Just proposing such laws will bring the point home.

[Mach9]

The GOP’s avoiding this point assiduously. What are we missing?

[winner3000]

I think the best way to get the liberals on our side is to show them the danger of this new Supreme Court precedent of allowing the Government the power to tax us for NOT doing something. When Republicans get in power, I hope they tax movies that are R rated and above, X rated, tax people who DON’T have a bible at home, etc. Just proposing such laws will bring the point home.

[noinfringers2]

It would appear that Roberts and the other four were trying to do a Solomon twist. The onerous aspect of their decision is that they gave the baby/decision to the wrong parent i.e. to Obama and his enablers instead of the people of the USA. As far as Roberts as an individual judge goes he can now be known as Judas Roberts instead of Justice Roberts.

[fhayek]

My nephew suggested taxing abortions. I thought that that was brilliant.

[ctdonath2]

One coin, two sides.

[Mach9]

So if you went to get a Marriage License and mistakenly got a fishing license, and signed it, do you have state permission to marry the fish?

[pingman]

I’m giving Roberts the benefit of the doubt. He handed us the tools to undo O’care by Congressional action, not Judicial edict. If the people roar loud enough in November, something will be done by mandate, or, if not, then Romney is a buffoon.

[Walmartian]

And Eric Holder is trying to take credit for shutting down an operation he says he didn’t know anything about.

[M-cubed]

so now is april 15th the last day we can file our income penalty without paying a penalty’?

will states be required to change their sales tax forms to a “sales penalty” form?

to be PC now, the word “tax” must be replaced by “penalty”

[Kaslin]

I hate to mention this to you but the republican leadership helped pass the healthcare bill, and I mean the leadership in both houses.

I hate to disappoint you, but the only republican in the House that voted for the bill was Anh Cao of LA and that is why he was send packing in 2010

Republicans Voting 'Aye' Anh Cao

No Republican in the Senate voted for it

Senate Votes A NAME="position"> Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---60
Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Begich (D-AK) Bennet (D-CO) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Burris (D-IL) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Conrad (D-ND) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA)	Franken (D-MN) Gillibrand (D-NY) Hagan (D-NC) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Johnson (D-SD) Kaufman (D-DE) Kerry (D-MA) Kirk (D-MA) Klobuchar (D-MN) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (ID-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) McCaskill (D-MO) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR)	Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sanders (I-VT) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Specter (D-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Tester (D-MT) Udall (D-CO) Udall (D-NM) Warner (D-VA) Webb (D-VA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---39
Alexander (R-TN) Barrasso (R-WY) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Burr (R-NC) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Collins (R-ME) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID)	DeMint (R-SC) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johanns (R-NE) Kyl (R-AZ) LeMieux (R-FL)	Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 1
Bunning (R-KY)

Vote Summary

By Senator Name

By Vote Position

By Home State

Grouped by Home State

Alabama:	Sessions (R-AL), Nay	Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Alaska:	Begich (D-AK), Yea	Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Arizona:	Kyl (R-AZ), Nay	McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Arkansas:	Lincoln (D-AR), Yea	Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California:	Boxer (D-CA), Yea	Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado:	Bennet (D-CO), Yea	Udall (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut:	Dodd (D-CT), Yea	Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware:	Carper (D-DE), Yea	Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
Florida:	LeMieux (R-FL), Nay	Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Georgia:	Chambliss (R-GA), Nay	Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Hawaii:	Akaka (D-HI), Yea	Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho:	Crapo (R-ID), Nay	Risch (R-ID), Nay
Illinois:	Burris (D-IL), Yea	Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Indiana:	Bayh (D-IN), Yea	Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Iowa:	Grassley (R-IA), Nay	Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas:	Brownback (R-KS), Nay	Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Kentucky:	Bunning (R-KY), Not Voting	McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana:	Landrieu (D-LA), Yea	Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Maine:	Collins (R-ME), Nay	Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Maryland:	Cardin (D-MD), Yea	Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts:	Kerry (D-MA), Yea	Kirk (D-MA), Yea
Michigan:	Levin (D-MI), Yea	Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota:	Franken (D-MN), Yea	Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi:	Cochran (R-MS), Nay	Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Missouri:	Bond (R-MO), Nay	McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana:	Baucus (D-MT), Yea	Tester (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska:	Johanns (R-NE), Nay	Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada:	Ensign (R-NV), Nay	Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire:	Gregg (R-NH), Nay	Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
New Jersey:	Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea	Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico:	Bingaman (D-NM), Yea	Udall (D-NM), Yea
New York:	Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea	Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina:	Burr (R-NC), Nay	Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota:	Conrad (D-ND), Yea	Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Ohio:	Brown (D-OH), Yea	Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Oklahoma:	Coburn (R-OK), Nay	Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Oregon:	Merkley (D-OR), Yea	Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania:	Casey (D-PA), Yea	Specter (D-PA), Yea
Rhode Island:	Reed (D-RI), Yea	Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina:	DeMint (R-SC), Nay	Graham (R-SC), Nay
South Dakota:	Johnson (D-SD), Yea	Thune (R-SD), Nay
Tennessee:	Alexander (R-TN), Nay	Corker (R-TN), Nay
Texas:	Cornyn (R-TX), Nay	Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Utah:	Bennett (R-UT), Nay	Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Vermont:	Leahy (D-VT), Yea	Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Virginia:	Warner (D-VA), Yea	Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington:	Cantwell (D-WA), Yea	Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia:	Byrd (D-WV), Yea	Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin:	Feingold (D-WI), Yea	Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming:	Barrasso (R-WY), Nay	Enzi (R-WY), Nay

Vote Summary

By Senator Name

By Vote Position

By Home State

The republicans WANTED this bill to pass just as much as the democrats.

As you can see it is a lie that the republicans wanted the pass to be passed

[Leto]

Well the WH and the rest of the rats are spinning like tops, and want to “Move ON” from talking aboput HEalth care and focus instead on their horrible unemployment record.

Meanwhile the Pubs are running around promising to repeal ObamaTaxCare, what does that tell you about what the parties internal polls are telling them ;)

They must be getting their butts handed to them.

The GOP needs to like ObamaTaxCare to the reluctance of employers to hire and the CBO projection of another 1 million lost jobs.

[Kaslin]

Of course it is a tax, and the only ones the liberals are fooling is themselves. They sure don’t fool me

[Kaslin]

Yeah, that is what I want to know too

[musicman]

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