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Reality Check: If Healthcare Law Is A Tax Is It Now Invalid?
Fox 19 ^ | 6-28-12 | BenSwann

Posted on 06/29/2012 9:40:23 PM PDT by Revel

According to Ben, then if Obamacare is a tax as per the USSC, then the bill had to originate in the house. He claims that it did not. Watch the Video. Can anyone with great understanding validate if what he says is true. Did the final bill not originate in the house? Someone at youtube suggests that the senate used a gutted bill from the house. True or False?


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To: NTHockey

I have this feeling that people still trying to work within the Framework are behind the curve. That Framework is now being selectively used to keep us on the plantation.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 8:03:55 AM PDT by virgil
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To: Revel

Invalid or not, with this ruling Congress can now prescribe or ban any and everything that individuals would do or possess or buy or sell by passing a law and punishing unapproved behaviour with a tax penalty rather than with judicial trial and jail time. There is no limit now to wha the government can regulate. It is officially Congress that can do it but Congress will delegate everything to Departments and Bureaus and Offices. This grants total regulation of everything in life to Congress and functionaries and tax collectors.


42 posted on 06/30/2012 9:28:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Revel; P-Marlowe; Forest Keeper; wmfights; Girlene

Rush said yesterday that Reid took a House bill, gutted it, and came out with ObamaCare. If that is true, then it did originate in the House. The Senate is supposed to propose their version of any law, and it can be 100% different than the House version.

More of interest to me is how a tax can be levied against some and not against others based on what they do not have.

That doesn’t sound to me like equal treatment under the law.

Revel, you can’t afford a car, so we’re taxing you, but not your neighbor, for being a transportation deadbeat who makes it necessary for us to run trains.

That doesn’t seem to pass the equal treatment requirement to me.


43 posted on 06/30/2012 9:29:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Will88

How are they going to track/enforce this? If you never go to a a doctor how in the world would anyone know if you had coverage? Will they change the tax forms and add a section for insurance info?

I have a draft of the bill but its long and I’m no lawyer or bill expert.

Inquiring minds would like to know. Anyone???


44 posted on 06/30/2012 9:42:01 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Revel
the issue of funding socialist healthcare is not even the supreme courts business, it is a moot point !

the issue in play is that it is not in the enumerated powers and not justified by the "commerce clause" so it should have been overturned as unconstitutional , PERIOD ! simple as that !

the Supreme Court should have made that clear, they are woefully incompetent lawyers in robes judging over socialist utopia bizarro world

45 posted on 06/30/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That is true, but this is the government we have, run by crooked lawyers in all 3 branches.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 10:16:22 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I eagerly await the next news about the struggles of Elizabeth Sacheen Littlefeather Warren.)
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To: USAF80
Will they change the tax forms and add a section for insurance info?

I believe they do plan for the IRS to enforce the penalty/tax on people who supposedly can afford health insurance, but don't purchase it. They're hiring thousands of new IRS agents, and I guess they assume that practically everyone who falls into the "can afford it but not buying" category will be in the gunsights of the IRS, and should be filing returns.

47 posted on 06/30/2012 10:21:49 AM PDT by Will88
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To: P-Marlowe

And the House can repeal that tax. That’s what Roberts did. He gave the ball back to Congress and Obama so that they could do it right.

Stay tuned. I think we win as the House repeals Obamacare.


48 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: P-Marlowe
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49 posted on 06/30/2012 10:39:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: USAF80

You will have to provide proof of insurance, such as a policy number or a form from the insurer, with your Income Tax return.


50 posted on 07/02/2012 2:35:33 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Revel

Rush says this won’t matter that it technically originated in the Senate. As for it being a tax, that makes in constitutional. I don’t get the repubs screaming it’s a tax. That makes a good ruling and a valid law. What they should be screaming about are waivers.

And they should introduce a bill removing congress’ exemption from participating. Let Nancy vote against that.


51 posted on 07/02/2012 10:52:26 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: 2harddrive

Get your mandatory coverage at Joe’s Insurance Agency and Funeral Parlor. If you die while insured with us, the casket is free!


52 posted on 07/02/2012 10:59:52 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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I’ve been meaning to post this all day long. Notice how the lib talking points always mention “the l% of people who can afford to buy insurance but don’t” will have to pay a penalty. l...mmmm where have we heard that? Oh, yeah. Van Jones’ occupiers bitched about the “1%”. Is this the same 1%? Of course it is.

Could this all have been planned? I’m betting it was.


53 posted on 07/02/2012 11:06:37 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: 2harddrive
What's to keep you from dropping the policy as soon as you file your taxes?

I remember when the NCO clubs went from their own cards to Visa or Master card. A lot of troops did not want another credit card so they applied and canceled the card after the first month. They would still show the canceled card to get into the club.

54 posted on 07/03/2012 12:13:10 PM PDT by USAF80
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