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Limbaugh, GOP have it wrong: Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever
Tampa Bay (FL) Times, Politifact 'Truth-O-Meter' ^ | June 29, 2012 | Unattributed

Posted on 06/29/2012 9:21:03 AM PDT by QT3.14

A silver lining for conservatives in the Supreme Court’s health care decision Thursday is that the court allowed the law to stand based on the idea that the individual mandate was a tax.

That news has Republicans and conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh bringing out an old -- and incorrect claim -- that the health care law constitutes the largest tax increase ever.

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacare; politics; scotus; tax
Valid?
1 posted on 06/29/2012 9:21:15 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Well hot damn! That should make everyone fell better!


2 posted on 06/29/2012 9:25:12 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: QT3.14

Of course it isn’t. Limbaugh has a tendency to throw crap at walls to see what sticks.

Is it big? Sure is? Biggest ever? Prove it.


3 posted on 06/29/2012 9:25:22 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: QT3.14

politifact is a left wing biased site.

None of the other taxes they list come close to the cost of obamacare.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 9:25:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: QT3.14

Politico is using the original and flawed CBO numbers. The reality is more than double that number


5 posted on 06/29/2012 9:27:38 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: QT3.14
Health-Reform is Constitutional: Here are the Tax Implications

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900705/posts

not "tax", but many taxes.

Obama Admin. Actuary Finds Unsustainable Status Quo Cheaper than Obamacare

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/16/obama-administration-actuaries

The two reasons they gave for the "overhaul" to healthcare: "to cut costs" - NOPE ,costs will go up actually. "to insure everyone" - NOPE, 10’s of millions will still be uninsured. In other words, the plan is a total failure. This is about power and control.

A little known fact of the Obamacare Law (among many other unpleasant surprises in the fine print you can be sure) is a 3.8% tax to be imposed when you sell your home--most people's greatest or only asset. 3.8% to Uncle Sam right off the bat. So how will that tax impact those who are involved in distress sales, who are underwater on their homes?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html

6 posted on 06/29/2012 9:30:39 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: QT3.14

The authors of the article are salivating over the estimated revenue increases as tax-and-spend advocates always do, and they will be as disappointed as those always are when that revenue somehow fails to appear. They are, in fact, attempting to compare speculation with real data. “Truth-o-meter”? That’s pretty funny, actually.


7 posted on 06/29/2012 9:31:42 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: driftdiver
politifact is a left wing biased site.

Big time. They should change their name to Politifalse.

8 posted on 06/29/2012 9:32:17 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: CrappieLuck

DO YOU MEAN THE GREAT AND POWERFUL “o” lied to Americans ?

It’s a Tax, and that means the Senate can deal with “Taxes” on a simple majorirty vote....51. Well within reach of the Tea Party.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: QT3.14

Did these idiots include the cost of multiplying the number of uncovered months, times the weighted average of the monthly premium for a plan in the person’s coverage class and coverage area plan, then add a 15 percent surcharge after that? That is now considered a tax.

If not they are f’ing liars.

Next you need to figure the amount of actual cost of your plan because if you do not pay you are paying the tax described in the first paragraph.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: QT3.14

These libs are running your country.

Thanks for not giving a ****.

Now go pay your taxes, your country is broke. :)


11 posted on 06/29/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: TheRhinelander

Buying health insurance is now a tax. Not buying Insurance is an alternative tax. How much do Americans pay for health insurance?

CC


12 posted on 06/29/2012 9:34:42 AM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: QT3.14

If Obamacare is enacted fully, the tax implications will be enormous over a long, long time. Look at Medicare and SS. Obamacare is the third and final piece of the puzzle that gives the government total control over health care. The period thru 2019 is just a downpayment on the total cost of Obamacare.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 9:35:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: QT3.14

The CBO numbers are the originals. The CBO has updated things a couple of times. Ironically, the CBO has reduced the anticipated tax revenue and adjusted the cost for Obamacare up by almost 2x.

With regards to how this “tax increase” scales, they have also left out the additional costs to the consumers ($1,200 fines, etc.) There is no way to measure the tax increase specifically.

The reality of it is that our healthcare industry was one of the very few (gun/ammunition manufacturers) that was in the green/black during these economic times. The cost and regulatory compliance issues are going up for pharmacuitacle companies, medical device manufactures, doctors, hospitals, etc. There is no way to measure that impact to our healthcare industry.

Folks should start their own medical savings accounts and be prepared to pay doctors in cash.


14 posted on 06/29/2012 9:35:45 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: driftdiver

“politifact is a left wing biased site.

None of the other taxes they list come close to the cost of obamacare.”

And maybe the giddy little troll there should be made aware that Obama said it wasnt a tax before he started typing away.

Oopsie!


15 posted on 06/29/2012 9:36:35 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: QT3.14

RUSH IS RIGHT!.......and SPOT ON TODAY!!!! I stand with him 100%.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 9:38:28 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: TheRhinelander
Rush throws crap? Nah, looks like you do.

IT'S A CRAP-SANDWICH-TAX....Biggest in history.

Now scram, n00b...

17 posted on 06/29/2012 9:40:54 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: QT3.14

Of course it’s small. They used Obama’s numbers to calculate the tax. I surprised Politifact didn’t declare Obamacare a tax *cut.*


18 posted on 06/29/2012 9:42:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: QT3.14

Very interesting reaction up here in Canada. I was at a citizen forum discussing suggestions to improve the health care system here. The Supreme court decision came up and the people at my table couldn’t believe it went to the Supreme Court basically saying how the hell else are you going to pay for universal coverage without drawing on taxes as a revenue source.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by easyrighter
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To: QT3.14

Not valid.
They left out some of the taxes:

http://news.investors.com/article/616549/201206281902/supreme-court-confirms-obamacare-massive-tax-burden.htm
“The new taxes, which cost some $675 billion over the next decade...”

CBO reports are famous for being incredibly wrong, this one even says it doesn’t include the cost of the “Doc fix” which has already been passed- and future ones will pass too.


20 posted on 06/29/2012 9:48:09 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: QT3.14

The author seem only to be looking at the various taxes included in the bill. Is he also taking into account the costs of insurance premiums that are MANDATED, and according to Justice Roberts are considered a tax? If he’s not, then HE is the one who is wrong.


21 posted on 06/29/2012 9:48:30 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Jane Long

LMAO...


22 posted on 06/29/2012 9:48:52 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: QT3.14

If the death panel denys your treatment, and you die....yeah, it’s the largest.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 9:55:19 AM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: QT3.14

A tax is a tax no matter how large or small. The majority of us cannot afford more of them. They add up and make slaves of those of us forced to pay them.

The supreme court just gave the green light for the government to tax us with unlimited power. There is nothing objective or fair about this system of institutionalized slavery. We must severely limit the governments power to tax us to destitution and death.

This slavery is justified by Homeland security as productive US citizens are deemed a greater threat to this country than the Muslim Brotherhood. We are the evil preventing the implementation of their imperial dreams.

Time to call them out and end this behavior before it is too late.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: QT3.14

Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Pete Times) and its twin sister, the Tampa Tribune (Ma Trib) are both Leftist mouthpieces as is Politifact.

The Leftist spin has begun.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: QT3.14
Valid?

Moot. This is much, much bigger than just a tax applied for failure to comply with Obamacare. SCOTUS just gave the other branches of government complete power to apply taxes to anything they deem required and not complied with. The door has been kicked down.

26 posted on 06/29/2012 9:57:47 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Liberty Experiment is over. All aspects of your life will now be MANDATED.)
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To: QT3.14

politifact is a democrat front group. This kind of garbage belongs on the DUmpster site.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 9:57:47 AM PDT by soycd
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To: TheRhinelander

“Biggest ever? Prove it.”

What difference does it make?


28 posted on 06/29/2012 9:58:37 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: QT3.14

WTF, A tax hike is a friggin tax hike and who the heck cares how large it is, we are in a damn depression and Marxists are finding new and better way to raise taxes so that can promise more goodies to the losers in life. Excuse my usage of words and anger.


29 posted on 06/29/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: QT3.14

They didn’t include the mandate as a tax. It is a tax, per the Supreme Court.

Therefore, Politifact lied.


30 posted on 06/29/2012 10:03:36 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: QT3.14
So what? It's too big.
More and more of our money and control is funneled through the notoriously inefficient federal government.
The feds should not run things that should be handled by states or individuals.
To the Washington elite, we are all incompetent.
Funny how that sentiment is mutual.

31 posted on 06/29/2012 10:14:20 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: chemicalman

And then they collect the death tax.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 10:19:14 AM PDT by GnL
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To: formosa
There is nothing objective or fair about this system of institutionalized slavery.

I was about eighteen by the time it dawned on me that the word "fair" in politics is a term of art, and a semantic nullity.

33 posted on 06/29/2012 10:24:19 AM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: QT3.14

Not the biggest tax increase in US history?

Depends on which Justice you ask.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 10:47:33 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: QT3.14

Rush’s record on prediction on this admin (Gitmo, Lawlessness, the economy for examples) has been better than this governments record of telling the truth.


35 posted on 06/29/2012 11:04:34 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: QT3.14

They’re correct. The dropping of the Bush Tax cuts in 6 months and 3 days will be the biggest increase.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 11:31:05 AM PDT by ssaftler (Obama 2008: "Hope and Change" Obama 2012: "Excuses and Blame")
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To: QT3.14

Aren’t they also taking away the flex spending accounts?


37 posted on 06/29/2012 12:34:36 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: QT3.14

Putting the rhetoric aside does anyone know, exactly, how much say a person making $50,000 a year would pay as a penalty?


38 posted on 06/29/2012 12:40:46 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: QT3.14

I didn’t see where the list of tax revenues included the money extorted from people who don’t buy HI or provide it to their employees.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 12:54:29 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: QT3.14

This looks about right, even as they are using goalseeking CBO numbers, the total % of GDP of the ACA taxes will not go above 0.75% of GDP.

What is interesting is the updated note on the bottom of the link source:

UPDATE: Some readers noticed that our initial analysis of Limbaugh’s claim failed to include references to the penalty that people who declined to purchase health insurance would be asked to pay. After all, the Supreme Court declared that penalty a tax.

The CBO figure we used for our calculation, a total of $104 billion in revenue generated in 2019, is inclusive of all revenues, including the penalty or tax individuals might pay if they do not purchase health insurance. The figure for that year was estimated to be $14 billion for penalties paid for by employees and individuals. (Page 19 of this report.) http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11379/amendreconprop.pdf


Going to page 19 shows the CBO expects in 2019, that 20.1 Million American Slaves (exlcuding illegal aliens, and any member of a religion that doesn’t contribute to Social Security), will NOT buy health insurance AND Pay the IRS penalty.

CBO is estimating that the ACA will only cut the number of uninsured by 2/3rds over the next 7 years.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 1:09:43 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: QT3.14

The one thing that bothers me about this ruling is that now it seems the government can ask you to do whatever it wants and if you don’t you have to pay a penalty(tax). don’t buy that.. tax.. buy that.. tax. fun.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: JerseyHighlander; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ..


ALL Americans will be hit with the Individual Mandate Tax which will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.
42 posted on 06/29/2012 1:33:19 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: QT3.14

You can hide behind a screen name all you want to, but we recognize you, David Axelrod! ;-)


43 posted on 06/29/2012 1:53:24 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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To: QT3.14

Correct me if I’m wrong but it looks every signifcant tax hike listed was under a democrat administation


44 posted on 06/29/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by scope721
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To: Brown Deer

Depends on one’s point of view. 2.5% is nominal individual.
2.5% is no where near the largest nominal individual tax increase in US history either.

Not to get too far into arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of a needle....


45 posted on 06/29/2012 2:55:33 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Brown Deer

46 posted on 06/29/2012 3:23:04 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Depends on one’s point of view.



What I mentioned was only one of the seven new taxes that will levied on all citizens regardless of income. Besides those seven taxes, there are another 13 taxes hidden in the legislation!


47 posted on 06/29/2012 3:57:25 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
LOL, but I refuse to ID myself.


48 posted on 07/01/2012 11:46:03 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Political Correctness: Intellectual AIDS ... Sickens and Kills everything it touches)
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