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Posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:33 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
CNN and Fox News aren’t the only ones doing a 180 on the Supreme Court ruling.
Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R), the first attorney generalin the nation to file a lawsuit over President Obama’s health-care overhaul, said the sky was pretty much falling in a news release issued half an hour after the court upheld the law.
“This is a dark day for the American people, the Constitution, and the rule of law,” Cuccinelli said in the release. “This is a dark day for American liberty.”
By the time he held a news conference an hour and 45 minutes later, Cuccinelli had different take: “It’s mostly sunny.”
The reason? His first impression was based on the basic upshot of the ruling: The court had upheld “Obamacare.” His second was based on a closer look at the ruling, which he found upheld individual liberty and curbed federal power even as it left the law in place.
The court ruled that Americans could be required to secure health insurance, but under Congress’s taxing authority, not under the Constitution’s commerce clause. That means the “individual mandate” has been deemed a tax — a tax Cuccinelli...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Why sure he likes it. The whole place is rotting with traitors.
I’m confused: in what way is a tax - backed up by armed IRS agents - not a “mandate”?
What whole place?
The court never said mandates were unconstitutional, they just said it could not be required under the commerce clause.
I wonder who it was who called him and told him to change his tune.
I am more concerned about the ends than the means. If Congress can use the tax system to compel someone to buy something, isn't that a loss of liberty?
Well, we've now learned that the federal government can punish states in other ways. Witness Arizona.
Imagine down the road Colorado has announced it will opt against Medicaid eligibility expansion. Obama: "Wild fires? Sorry, can't afford to do anything about em - burn baby burn!" Or Louisiana gets hit by another hurricane. Obama: "Sorry! Y'all have got too many Republicans down there. You're on your own!"
Perplexing ping.
Bingo.
See Texas last years fires. No disaster declaration until it became obvious he drug his feet for political punishment. I saw it first hand.
Huh? If the taxing authority can be used to make you buy or do anything, is this really a difference?
Didn’t he already do that by refusing to declare TX a disaster area with the droughts last year?
Obama is nothing but a political low-life punk and foreign enemy combatant occupying our White House.
But, given it's a tax, is it a constitutional tax?
It's not a federal income tax, which would be legal under the 16th Amendment. It's also not a federal excise tax, since it's based merely on existing, not on using something or carrying on some activity. Nor, obviously, is it a tariff.
So, it must be a head tax or capitation, which, according to Article I, must be laid "in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken." Any lawyers care to elucidate that?
This subtlety is just lost on me. If the government is making me do something that I don’t think it should be allowed to under penalty of some fine, how exactly is it different whether the fee is called a fine, a tax, a dog’s butt, or whatever? I’m freer if I’m being compelled by a penalty with the proper name?
I didn’t see your post. That’s exactly what I was thinking about too. The drought, but the fires too.
An activist judge will decide what outcome he or she wants and then supply the rationale. It looks like Roberts might now be in that category along with the four leftists on the court. Anyone who thinks such activist judges will be restrained by some new interpretation of the commerce clause, or taxing authority or anything else is living in a fantasy world.
Activist, liberal justices will arrive at the conclusion they desire.
The only positive to be found today is that the ruling should reignite the Tea Party fire, then bring many more to it to significantly increase the odds of defeating Obama, holding the House and taking the Senate.
Yes, you are most certainly correct on that statement.
Exactly
It is in fact a mandate which is enforced through a tax imposed for non-compliance. This would appear to open the door to all types of mandates backed by an unlimited ability to tax.
Cuccinelli claims individual liberty was preserved with this ruling. It’s still coercion which negates individual liberty no matter how it’s spun or what it’s called.
His rethink makes no sense.
But, given it’s a tax, is it a constitutional tax?
Then, I concur with your analysis that it is not covered by any current taxing authority in the Constitution, and that the constitutionality of the tax should be attacked.
The ruling is an unmitigated disaster. Too many Conservatives are trying desperately to polish a turd. This isn't a victory. It can't be spun into one.
To wit:
Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in §5000A under the taxing power, and that §5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. That is sufficient to sustain it. A tax on going without health insurance does not fall within any recognized category of direct tax. It is not a capitation. Capitations are taxes paid by every person, “without regard to property, profession, or any other circumstance.” The whole point of the shared responsibility payment is that it is triggered by specific circumstances—earning a certain amount of income but not obtaining health insurance. The payment is also plainly not a tax on the ownership of land or personal property. The shared responsibility payment is thus not a direct tax that must be apportioned among the several States. The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness. (pages 39-44)
I have made that point all day long. But then I read this quote from the opinion:
"....it is abundantly clear the Constitution does not guarantee that individuals may avoid taxation through inactivity. A capitation, after all, is a tax that everyone must pay simply for existing, and capitations are expressly contemplated by the Constitution. The Court today holds that our Constitution protects us from federal regulation under the Commerce Clause so long as we abstain from the regulated activity. But from its creation, the Constitution has made no such promise with respect to taxes."
Doesn't this mean that the constitutionality of the tax has been decided?
It's about time we all recognized this fundamental breakdown in the social compact, and made it clear to every agent of government in Washington. They need to be officially unrecognized by the people, and fired en masse.
It's time to simply pull the plug and start over. Heck, pull out the phone book and appoint new leadership from the first 545 names listed. Nearly anything would be better than this.
I'm not kidding. It's time for a civil rebellion, the likes of which this country has never seen.
But there's a reason that during that entire time frame, Congress has never passed a law taxing inactivity - and why the 2010 Congress took great efforts in disguising its ploy.
Sure, in theory, Congress can tax you for not eating broccoli, not buying a Volt, etc. But, how does it actually gain the necessary votes to pass?
Think about the waivers & exceptions granted by the DHS that were crafted under the assumption of using the commerce clause for cover, which has -0- oversight and 100% discretion of the executive.
Now, the mandate is a poll tax. Exceptions, waivers, thresholds, etc have to be initiated in the House, passed & signed as law, and executed by the IRS.
If the executive were to have leeway on taxes, then any tax, whether it be income, property, etc, would all be subject to executive discretion.
Roberts dropped a bomb.
According to Roberts, it is a tax but really not a tax according to Constitution and tax law. Roberts has exempted it from the normal rules applying to taxes.
The statists, Dems and Reps, will find the votes they need when they deem it necessary. We have set a horrible legal precedent that will exist even if Obamacare is repealed. There is no silver lining in this decision. It is an absolute disaster for individual liberty and the Constitution.
The Anti-Injunction law prohibits any Court from addressiing that issue until some part of that Tax is actually collected.
Exactly. This isn't the last time Obamacare will be in the courts.
“ANYONE that supports this decision by roberts is STARK RAVING MAD”
Mark Levin 6/28/2012
We’ve always been on our own. Many states never see Federal funds after a disaster. Besides, it basically just means loans for most people. Only the protected classes get actual grants of some sort.
People need to stop using the progressive template “Bush didn’t help New Orleans”. Actually, he did and if New Orleans had been majority white, no one would have said a word or cared. Perhaps the liberals would have complained about the waste of Federal tax funds on white people.
People need to be prepared for disaster on their own. Prepared to help the elderly and disabled. Prepared to rebuild with each others’ help.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. If States declined Federal intervention in the first place, they wouldn’t be dependent upon it in the second place.
Borders are a different issue, unfortunately, because it is a Federal obligation and this administration is declining the obligation to protect the border. The solution is to replace the administration with one that actually does its job.
WE are the answer and we can do it electorally.
Everyone also has to realize that the progressives are really enjoying our angst. We could stop the hand wringing and drama and deprive them of that.
Point well taken.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. A rose by any other name.... Seems like a game of semantics to me. Whatever they choose to call it, it doesn’t change the fact that Americans are being compelled by the government to act in a certain way or face a penalty/tax/fine/whatever.
Like many things on WAPO, this is a complete distortion of what our AG Cuccinelli said.
For his ACTUAL words, see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900924/posts
Thanks for posting that. It reads like the statement at your link was released after the news conference “reported” in this article.
But yes, the notion that Cuccinelli “did a 180” on the ruling was clearly a spin occurring only in the heads of the WaPo journolistas.
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**the ruling, which he found upheld individual liberty and curbed federal power even as it left the law in place.**
BTTT — the truth is starting to come out. I saw it right away.
If Roberts wanted to uphold individual liberty and curb Federal power he would of ruled with Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito who actually did.
What Roberts did was activism in the form of switching the penalty found unconstitutional (With Breyer and Kagan agreeing) under the commerce clause with a simple head/negative tax. I don't get why people are ignorant about the precedent Roberts set. For goodness sake, he was joined by Ginsburg, Sotomayer, Breyer, and Kagan in this respect.
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