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Democrats Poised to Join Holder Contempt Vote as Boehner Presses Ahead
Newsmax ^ | Tuesday, 26 Jun 2012 05:04 PM | (With AFP)

Posted on 06/26/2012 8:34:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai

House Speaker John Boehner is pressing ahead with a vote this week on whether to hold the government's top attorney in contempt of Congress, a move the White House warned Tuesday is a confrontational political ploy.

But Democrats may be signing up. On Tuesday, the chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that some in his party would consider heeding the NRA’s call for a “yes” vote.

Attorney General Eric Holder faces a historic censure by the House should a contempt resolution be brought to the floor for a full vote Thursday in what Democrats say is an extraordinarily abbreviated time frame.

The censure focuses on the handling of a botched plan for US agents to track guns smuggled into Mexico, and specifically over the Justice Department's withholding of documents related to the operation's aftermath.

A Republican member of that committee, Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona, tells Newsmax that the full House of Representatives will definitely pass the orders of contempt and calls the Justice Department’s actions regarding Fast and Furious “egregious.” …

Launched in Arizona by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Fast and Furious was a sting designed to track weapons bought by Mexican drugs cartels.

The agents had abandoned the bureau's usual practice of intercepting the weapons, opting instead to allow guns to be smuggled so they could track who they went to.

But a large number of arms went missing, and two were later found at the 2010 murder scene of a US Border Patrol agent. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: congresscontemptvote; holdercontempt; housecontemptvote

1 posted on 06/26/2012 8:34:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

2 posted on 06/26/2012 8:40:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Olog-hai
Does anyone know what a contempt vote means besides some political ammunition?

It seems about as impactful as having a note sent home to his mommy.

3 posted on 06/26/2012 8:41:13 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: Baynative

Contempt of Congress is the same as contempt of court, IIRC. The guilty party gets to go sit in jail until he cooperates.


4 posted on 06/26/2012 8:45:26 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Baynative; Spktyr

It’s worse than Double Secret Probation.....


5 posted on 06/26/2012 8:49:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Spktyr

How will Congress enforce that?


6 posted on 06/26/2012 8:55:36 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Travis McGee
The censure focuses on the handling of a botched plan for US agents to track guns smuggled into Mexico,

"Botched", my Aunt Fannie.

There was no effort to track the guns whatsoever. Indeed, the "plan" was going swimmingly...until one of the smuggled guns ended up at Terry's location.

Newsmax should know better...

7 posted on 06/26/2012 9:06:11 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Olog-hai

“heeding the NRA’s call”...

Cripes, Steny - demagogue much???

They’ll never enforce the contempt charge against a sitting AG anyway but I still want to see it done for symbolic purposes if nothing else.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 9:08:54 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: okie01

This report sources material from Agence France-Presse.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 9:11:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: meatloaf

You know.... Pelosi talks about the Jail in the Capitol where she could have anyone arrested.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 9:14:30 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Olog-hai
But a large number of arms went missing, and two were later found at the 2010 murder scene of a US Border Patrol agent.

...More F N F guns were also found at the murder site of ICE agent Jamie Zapata ....

So that's two (2) federal agents killed on active duty by Fast and Furious guns.

11 posted on 06/26/2012 9:16:29 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Olog-hai

One can only imagine the pressure being put on Democrats who may vote for contempt. Pelosi and Hoyer play a hardball no rules game to keep their troops in line. Obama and Holder play by Chicago rules. No doubt the IRS and FBI files on each potential defector is under a microscope not to mention the pressure on donors and family members. Any Dem who votes against Holder deep down cares about his/ her country and the rule of law. No doubt the defectors will be punished to teach a lesson.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 9:18:03 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: meatloaf; Spktyr
How will Congress enforce that?

The normal procedure is to refer a Contempt of Congress charge to the DOJ, who takes the subject into custody and deposits them in a federal slammer until they decide to come across with the requested documents, testimony, etc.

This, of course, leaves Congress with the delicate matter of demanding Eric Holder cuff himself and call for a paddy wagon to take him to the Alexandria lock-up.

Won't happen, of course.

But the next step will be more productive. Along with the contempt order, Boehner will authorize Issa to pursue a civil action. The court case should be fairly cut and dried. Executive privilege will be denied...and the court will order that Holder produce the documents.

At that point, two branches of government will be set against the third. Holder will have no other recourse but to produce the documents...or clearly defy the law. Whistleblowers will be coming out of the woodwork. And, in an election season, all this will be a little hard for the MSM to ignore...

13 posted on 06/26/2012 9:21:28 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
This, of course, leaves Congress with the delicate matter of demanding Eric Holder cuff himself and call for a paddy wagon to take him to the Alexandria lock-up.

This is J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI!

I know I'm in there, and if I don't come out with my hands up...

I'm coming in after me!

14 posted on 06/26/2012 9:31:27 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: All

15 posted on 06/26/2012 9:47:27 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Baynative

“Does anyone know what a contempt vote means besides some political ammunition?”

Not certain, but it Could lead to a charge of interfering with a Congressional Investigation which is good for 5 years, and if it involves foreign terrorism that’s good for 8 yrs.

They can make him talk, give up the documents, if they really want to.


16 posted on 06/26/2012 10:38:35 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

The Democrats just want to get the issue off the news. A vote for contempt would result in a referral for criminal charges, which will go to an Obama appointed prosecutor and die there.


17 posted on 06/26/2012 10:44:41 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Olog-hai; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...
So. The dems fear the NRA? Are we to believe that not one dem has a conscience?

Why, yes.

18 posted on 06/26/2012 11:16:03 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: okie01

Actually. all they have to do is catch him in the Capitol building and they don’t have to refer it to anyone. The Sargeant At Arms of the House and the Capitol Police can take him into custody.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 12:22:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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The Sargeant At Arms of the House and the Capitol Police can take him into custody.

Then what?

Take him to basement and waterboard him?

20 posted on 06/27/2012 12:26:35 AM PDT by okie01
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To: Baynative
Does anyone know what a contempt vote means besides some political ammunition?

A report I heard stated that:

Yes, Holder could be arrested and jailed - Very unlikely.

Holder could be criminally charged with the prosecution being done by someone in the DOJ who works for Holder - Very unlikely.

Holder would most likely be charged in civil court where he could be ordered to hand over the documents. How long Holder could drag that out, I have no idea.

21 posted on 06/27/2012 1:40:30 AM PDT by RJL (There's no greed like the greed of a liberal politician buying votes with your money.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“I have the right to remain silent.. anything I say will.. Dammit, keep quiet while I`m talking to me!”


22 posted on 06/27/2012 1:54:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: okie01

“Then what?”

He then has to write on a chalkboard, “I will not provide Mexican drug cartels with high-powered weapons” until his hands drop off.

But I like the waterboarding idea better.


23 posted on 06/27/2012 2:00:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: okie01
Then what? Take him to basement and waterboard him? From your lips to God's ear.
24 posted on 06/27/2012 2:48:54 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: Soul of the South
The most troubling fact of all is that guns arent usually found at the scene of a murder. Why would the drug cartels kill someone then throw down a gun....unless one of the killers was intentionally leaving guns from the US at each crime scene in order to show the violence was committed not with just any gun but using guns from this country.

Im betting the evidence will show that Holder and company had insiders planting these "thrown downs" to further the restrictions of second amendment rights here in America.

To summarize...who needs to track guns with tracking devices when you have someone planting them right where you want them?

25 posted on 06/27/2012 3:12:29 AM PDT by DainBramage
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he should be extradited to Mexico to answer for his crimes there because it appears they have a pretty good case against him too.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 3:34:50 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Olog-hai
Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected,

"DEFECTIONS"

Always party before country...

27 posted on 06/27/2012 4:13:12 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Baynative

Rita Lavelle (Republican),
EPA official April 26, 1983
House Committee on Energy and Commerce
Indicted for lying to Congress; convicted; sentenced to 6 months in prison, 5 years probation thereafter, and a fine of $10,000

List here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress


28 posted on 06/27/2012 4:17:52 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

Once the vote is cast against Holder, then go after Odumbo as well. He is also in contempt by claiming executive privlage when is it not authorized.


29 posted on 06/27/2012 6:08:10 AM PDT by Progov
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