Posted on 06/17/2012 7:52:00 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
Heard the exact same thing repeatedly said about Bush by the GOP groupies years ago.
No sale.
If "the “Dreamers” sign up for Obama's cockamamie plan, they will be swearing on official documents that their parents are coyotes and subject to deportation.
Furthermore, Obama's plan says ....illegals will be "immune from deportation" if they have "no criminal history...."
TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE LEGAL STATUS OF THESE CRIMINALS IS A BIG, BIG PROBLEM:
+++How many forged/faked Social Security numbers do they have?
+++How many fake identities do they have?
+++How many fake identities are they using to take money under false pretenses----riding the US gravy train?
+++Do they have valid drivers' licenses?
+++Have they ever been falsely claimed under different identities on IRS returns for EITC payouts?
+++ Did they get SS nos for their offspring and fraudulently use the nos to get money under false pretenses, riding the US gravy train?
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REFERENCE----ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several forged/faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.
<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist--- had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.
<><> Another illegal used multiple identites to bilk UI systems of some $3.5 million.
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US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit.
$20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.
REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.
Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.
“That’s EXACTLY what happened in California once they tried to crack down on Illegals.”
Of course that’s not true, but then you’re in Texas so you wouldn’t know any better.
“Of course that’s not true, but then you’re in Texas so you wouldn’t know any better.”
Then, Einstein, tell us all how California turned from a Republican state (as late as 1995) to the BASKET CASE that it is today - IN ONE ELECTION.
>>I see you are running for the leadership of “Freepers for obama.”<<
Their secret is out.
Romney : illegal mestizo immigration = Obama : homosexual "marriage".
I've come around to the "gotta vote for Romney" view, even more so because NH is "in play", but I'm not happy about it - and immigration isn't one of my top 5.
For those for whom immigration is #1 - what a crappy position to be in.
OR, you vote for Romney, WHO IS NOT a democratic/socialist/communist/marxist. Big, big differance here.
Your premise contains a huge falsehood (in bold above). Despite Mitt Romney's party affiliation, his record in office is as left liberal as any radical Democrat's. A quick review of that record, which has been posted countless times on this website, proves it beyond question.
Lie to yourself if you must, but don't ask others to join you in self-deception. It's not honorable. Neither is Mitt Romney, who claims to be "severely conservative", when his entire history in politics indicates that he's anything but.
A close comparison of Romney's record as Governor of Massachusetts, and Obama's record as president, reveals striking similarities in their actions as chief executives. It doesn't take a political savant to see that their agendas are nearly identical, or that their initiatives produced the same outcomes.
I suppose the best you could say for Romney, is that he was a lot less offensive to the people, while he served his leftist masters.
As I've said time and time again, if we simply must vote for Socialism for another four years, it would be better strategy to have a president who Congress will oppose, than one they'll roll over for. If Romney wins this race, you can expect the coming Republican dominated Congress to roll right over for his liberal agenda.
Romney could have turned this right back toward the narrative:
“This decision certainly won’t help Americans find jobs, and it won’t help our $1 trillion US student loan debt crisis.”
Romney could have threaded-the-needle, saying:
“Americans are compassionate people. Hard-working young illegals should seek private sector US sponsors to *VOLUNTARILY* help them to apply for legal status in this country, enter the country legally, and help cover their full college-tuition costs [no Federal, State or Local government subsidies for their education costs].”
The biggest problem is SC nominees from Obama’s second term. That could impact the nation is a serious way. However, would Romney’s picks be much different? What a quandry
They don't want anyone to remind folks that any vote that will not count in getting obama out is an enabling vote for the greater of the two evils.
If even Ronaldus Magnus couldn't bat a thousand with his Supreme Court picks, what do you think a liberal like Romney's going to do?
When Mitt was Governor of Massachusetts, two thirds of the people he appointed to the bench were liberals. Not looking good, no matter who wins in November. We're going to have to concentrate on electing solid conservatives to the Senate to hold the line on the next Supreme Court picks.
I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by how conservative Mitt Romney’s Supreme Court picks are.
But we absolutely know what Obama’s would be, so there’s really no choice, is there?
What evidence, pray tell, are you basing that confidence on? Certainly not his record of appointments to the bench, which skewed to the hard left.
Sounds like conservative Hope & Change to me.
What’s real depressing, Lady; is that Mittens is making Juan McCain look strong!
Without hope life is ... well ... hopeless.
Well, we know Romney won’t nominate Elena Kagan or Sotomayor... they’re already taken.
That’s why I stopped contributing to the GOP altogether.
There are more worthy groups, like the Patriot Party and Wounded Warriors, to send my money to.
The country is in bad shape but I do not think that the GOP has the ability nor the desire to improve the situation. I have found them to be a bunch of invertebrates.
The highest in history.
But not as a percentage of GDP. Interesting how you don’t address that crucial point.
And, as I said, you also conveniently don’t address the many attempts Bush made at reforming things when a bubble was becoming apparent.
Your evasions are the typical ones often used. They’re not based on the facts.
I’m quoting Bush calling for no-down-payment loans. Hardly an “evasion” when I quote the idiot’s own words. As for my citing the 2005 deficit number - you don’t deny it’s the highest number in history until then, you try to evade with obfuscations about “percentage of gdp”. Proves once again, there’s no arguing with a Bushbot. At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding: most people consider him a terrible president, and his failure is what elected Obama.
Obama set the trap for him. He needs to walk a fine line right now. obama was counting on an angry, negative response so the media would all over it. Right now, Romney has momentum on the economy and he needs to continue to hammer obama on that number one issue. Obama’s 11th hour immigration B.S. is just his usual pandering to the demographic of the day and the people get that.
Did Obama do his 11th hour pandering too early?
Too much time for it to settle in and refute it.
You are right on.
They are wasting their time and effort.
Denigration of other FReepers' faith, principles and values? This is how you work to convince people to vote for that bastard MR?
You AB0's are beyond the pale.
FUBO!!!
Bless your ‘little’ heart.
:)
Ohhhh, wait a sec...Lemme catch up...I’m a little slow here...
Was anyone here really expecting Mitt Romney to actually take on another reversal issue???
I think his first term, if he gets one, will be concumed totally with trying to overturn Obamacare...
The opposition is ALREADY prepared for that course of action...
Not trying to convince anybody of anything...just pointing out the utter hypocrisy of the freepers for obama who cloak their efforts to get him re-elected in Christian piety.
BINGO!
You AB0’s are beyond the pale.
You 0bama people are not going to convince anyone to vote for your guy.
And you know this how? How do you know these folks are hypocrites? What qualifies you and others to be “all knowing” and in turn, to denigrate the beliefs and principles of others?
I think you’re trying to convince yourselves that your outrageous behavior is somehow justified in making such visceral and objectionable comments.
Talk about tearing FR apart at the seams. I wonder what will be left of this place after folks like you get done with your slashing and burning.
That you have displayed such utter contempt for the views, opinions and beliefs of others in your “quest”, makes me question your motives.
Thanks for proving my point.
Hope the slash and burn technique works out for you.
Because he wants his own guy there.
You’re a Freeper for Obama and you question my motives? I guess you paid attention at the seminar.
;-)
It certainly IS an evasion when you cherry pick and don't cite the OTHER words used during his administration to attempt reform.
As for your not addressing the fact that the debt was NOT the highest compared to GDP you don't seem to get the importance of that vital ratio. Reagan also had the highest debt in $ up to his time as well, but NOT in regard to GDP. The media/Dems convinced gullible millions that Reagan was irresponsible for that. But those gullible millions weren't also told that tax revenues were high too because of tax cuts so that argument was moot for people who understood that debt as a percentage of GDP is the important number. I really don't expect you to understand this point...just keep parroting your "Bushbot" mantra.
As are liberal socialists of the social corporatist variety.
BRIAN TERRY DID NOT DIE FOR AMNESTY !!
I’ll be glad to liberate you from the shackles of ignorance.
California didn’t “turn from a Republican state (as late as 1995) to the BASKET CASE that it is today - IN ONE ELECTION” despite your belief in that fantasy.
California hasn’t been “a Republican state” since 1958. It has had Republican governors, including both Wilson and Schwarzenegger after 1995 (your ‘cutoff’ date), but the California legislature has been run by a Democratic majority for over 50 years, since before the time that Ronald Reagan was Governor. Only twice in that time has even one house of the legislature had a Republican majority, and that was by just 2 seats.
The increased Democratic vote after 1996 is very easy to understand, and it carries a message for the Open Borders wing of the GOP, not that they will ever learn from it. .
1986 was the year of Reagan’s Amnesty. Under that law the amnestied illegals were given the vote, to be effective 10 years after the amnesty. In 1996 a few million new Democrats were added to the voter rolls.
This is a lesson not lost on Obama and his ilk. Why members of the GOP insist on helping Obama and the Democrats move the country further Left by refusing to deport foreign nationals living here as a illegal aliens is a mystery known best to them, although the reason is amply explained in the nickname The Stupid Party.
““Americans are compassionate people. Hard-working young illegals should seek private sector US sponsors to *VOLUNTARILY* help them to apply for legal status in this country, “
One of my friends is doing something like this. She has adopted one of her daughter’s friends, a teenage latina whose illegal alien mother brought her here when she was very young.
Thanks again for demonstrating how childish your hypocritical little cabal of anti-FReepers are.
You don’t value the opinion or perspective of anyone other than yourselves.
Selfish, petulant little children, calling other people names because they have the nerve to disagree with the who or why.
And you call yourselves conservatives.
It is but to laugh.
More like Valedictorians of Alinsky’s school for radicals.
Let’s see, you’re helping obama but I’m the alinsky follower...nice try.
You keep coming back, man, you just can’t stay away.
Like I said earlier, you have to work really hard to convince yourselves that your behavior is justified here. There’s a name for that problem, you should google it.
FTR, I ain’t no pro-abortion, anti-2nd amendment, pro-national healthcare kinda guy. I guess that makes me the anti-thesis of your types.
If that makes me pro-0bama in your diminished worldview, so be it. But you know what? It doesn’t matter in the long run. What matters to me and why I engaged you and others like you, is the long term damage your behavior will have on the relationships here on FR.
Then again, your persistent use of the ad hominem in light of that demonstrates quite clearly you don’t give a damn who you run over in your Quixotic quest to slander, malign, denigrate and destroy any who you even remotely perceive to be an anti-Mittbot.
Even if it’s challenging your behavior and anti-Christian comments, all because of your blind obedience to and support of the e-GOP candidate.
Keep on keeping on bro. It’s appreciated.
Romney IS NOT A SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST. This is the most important difference between these two. You listed some of Romney's accomplishments...what say you list some of the devastating, destructive, enemy of the people commands from dictator oboma. THERE IS NO COMPARISON...ROMNEY IS NOT A SOCIALIST.
You say that “if Romney wins this race, you can expect the coming Republican dominated Congress to roll right over for his liberal agenda.” Let me ask you something, if your house was on fire, would you be more concerned that the Fire Department reaches you in time to put out the fire, or would you be more concerned more about the politics of the firefighters and their Fire Chief? Well, Windflier, OUR WHITE HOUSE IS ON FIRE, AND OBOMA HAS TORCHED THE FLAME, in his plans for “fundamentally” destroying/changing the USA into a his socialist/communist/marxist dream. We have to deal with the reality of the here and now, and PUT OUT THE FIRE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND REMOVE DICTATOR/SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST, ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE OBOMA. Let the coming Republican Congress do their job, and it will be up to We The People to make sure Romney comes through withe the promises he made during his campaign...and more. Freedom is never free, we must be constantly vigilant and outspoken in defense of this nation. THIS IS OUR JOB TO DO.
I know what damage oboma is capable of to you, me and this country. I am familiar with the chains of communism, having lost a relative in Lithuania during WWII. The Nazi's were running out the front door of Lithuania, just as Joe Stalin's socialists were barging in through the back door. My relative was a freedom fighter who would not surrender to an invitation to join Stalin's soldiers. He was rounded up with the other freedom fighters, shot before his wife and children, and his body desecrated..all the bodies were shoveled into a common grave...I have a picture of the grave stone with the names of these brave men, erected after the war. Many years before, my Russian grandfather escaped from Russia, rather than fight for the Bolsheviks..oppression, hunger and death was everywhere.
I'll take my chances with Romney, who is NOT A SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST. Common sense tells me that is our best bet...Romney will have his chance. That is, if we all band together and make sure we vote for him, or oboma will STEAL this election as good thieving democrats do...I know about this so well, being born and bred in Chicago, in the neighborhood that produced the last three mayors of Chicago. Today, my old neighborhood is home to a place known as the “Unity Center.” It is a communist/socialist/marxist meeting and greeting center, where home-grown commies, marxists, socialists can give speeches, and recruit, where a Chicago politician was caught walking out of the building by a reporter with an award in his hand from a fellow commie “community organizer”. He beat a fast retreat to his car when caught. This evil is everywhere...look up the words Unity Centers..you see more and more of them.
NO TO OBOMA. Use common sense and make your vote count. This is the most important election of our lifetime, for this country. May God bless America.
No, he's "severely conservative". He told us so himself.
If you can look at Romney's record as Governor of Massachusetts, then look me in the eye and claim that he's not a Socialist, then you're as big a liar as he is, or you're delusional.
Either way, it's clear to me that a lot of people are so guilt ridden about compromising their own conservative principles, that they feel compelled to shout down those of us who refuse to compromise ours.
Scream on, but I will not be giving that gay 'marriage' mandating, tax raising, job and industry killing, left-wing judicial activist appointing, gun grabbing, abortion supporting, flip-flopping, Democrat schmoozing, establishment puppet my vote.
You, on the other hand, make it clear that you will either not be voting, or oboma is your man. By all means, stamp your foot and pout that Romney doesn't fit your idea of a viable candidate. Or, have the guts to stand up and speak up for your candidate oboma.
Either way, you lose. We The People will go on without you. We're in it to win it, patriots all. And that excludes you.
BRAVO !
Either way, you lose. We The People will go on without you. We're in it to win it, patriots all. And that excludes you.
It actually saddens me that good people on my side of the aisle have been reduced to selling out every principle they claim to stand for, in order to give their votes to a man who is the virtual twin of Obama in every substantial way.
You can holler at me if you like, but when Mitt Romney is elected, and begins doing everything to perpetuate and strengthen the leftist agenda, you'll look back and realize that you bartered your honor and integrity for betrayal.
Perhaps then you'll understand that some things are more important than 'winning' elections.
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