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13 June 2012 | Grig (aka TheCrewsayder)

Posted on 06/13/2012 6:05:21 PM PDT by Grig

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To: goseminoles
When I think of Romney, I don’t think mormon. I think Rino.

So do I.

But I also think

Less RINO than Juan McC. (such as on matters of restricting free speech)

and therefore a step in the right direction, even if (far) less so than Newt or Herman or Michelle.

41 posted on 06/13/2012 6:41:28 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Grig
Play that religion card, beat that strawman Not worth a zot
42 posted on 06/13/2012 6:42:07 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: berdie

later


43 posted on 06/13/2012 6:47:37 PM PDT by berdie
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To: rogue yam
You are one of those who rejected the idea that we could discuss the campaign using facts and figures. Something about that just gives the Democrats ideas or something.

You'll have to do better than that.

In the meantime, if Republicans do as well as they did in the last two Presidential races we are short 10 million votes of beating Obama.

He's plush. Not only that, the people on his team who are disappointed in him say they won't vote for him, but they're not saying they'll vote for a Republican.

That is very serious.

What's going on here is the GOP-e has known for four years that our Presidential vote totals have been declining and that Obama broke all records.

If he does as well, we lose. He has to lose 15% of his last vote total to get down in the territory where Republican votes are located.

The only way to overcome that is to have a really bright, sparkling, charismatic candidate who attracts people.

Just "thinking hard" at a problem isn't going to elicit a positive response out of the crowd who voted for Obama the first time.

Again, with a 15% loss in votes Obama still beats our guy. If you really cared about winning the election you'd come up with something.

BTW, the shadow of the Spring non-Primary in Virginia continues. We had exceeding light turnout yesterday and there were 5 contested House seats and a Senate seat at stake. Ordinarily you'd get folks out ~ this time they got what seems to be the same old same old. Keep that up and this Fall Republicans will lose everything in Virginia.

Tell your little buddy over there who works for Bolling on these matters that it is dangerous to discourage voting. People will make it a habit!

44 posted on 06/13/2012 6:49:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Grig

You’re welcome. There are a lot of people that really care about FR and are dismayed by what it has become.

Be assured though, the Flying Freeper Taliban Imams will be here any minute to dice you up ......


45 posted on 06/13/2012 6:50:15 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Grig

Thank you for your post. There are many that feel the same as you. During the primaries, it was getting really boring here, as there was really no discussion of substance which I as a fairly new FReeper had come to expect of this site. It was flaming against Romney and Mormonism 24/7 and vicious, virulent attacks against anyone supporting Romney. But don’t give up. Don’t go anywhere. Stay and work to unite bc we have a lot of work to do to get the real community jihadist creep out of the WH and the only possible way to do it is w/ Romney.


46 posted on 06/13/2012 6:50:48 PM PDT by parisa
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To: shibumi
"Your grandchildren will call Mormons Christians, and look at Mormonism as the third branch of Christianity alongside Catholicism and Protestantism"

You were almost making sense up to that point.

Back to Kolob with you.

That was where he started to lose me too, but you have to expect a Mormon to be a Mormon. That's why I object to this "back to Kolob" jibe of yours. A Mormon is going to be a Mormon. In the meantime we have a country to save from the impending disaster that has been brought about by sixty-plus years of collectivist subversion. Can't we who want to patch and right the ship stop fighting among ourselves for long enough to stop it from going under and drowning us all? Especially since there are so many (non-Mormon) Americans and others that continue to punch new holes in the hull below the waterline?

47 posted on 06/13/2012 6:50:53 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Grig
stalwart defender of traditional values, glowing example of Christian charity at home and around the world, the most conservative people of all religious groups, and staunch defenders of the principles of the constitution and values that built the country. No matter how much you disagree with us on religious matters, we are and should be treated as valuable conservative allies.

I've tried saying this before but unfortunately, some care more about theological differences that have absolutely nothing to do with the Constitutional role of government. I'll tell you what I usually tell everyone, this too will pass.

48 posted on 06/13/2012 6:52:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: muawiyah
You are one of those who rejected the idea that we could discuss the campaign using facts and figures. Something about that just gives the Democrats ideas or something.

You lie.

49 posted on 06/13/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Grig

Splendid post. You say what many of us feel. I don’t judge anyone by their religion, it is above my pay grade.,


50 posted on 06/13/2012 6:55:20 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Grig
Thank you for your post. The anti-Mormonism from some Freepers is a bit too much.
51 posted on 06/13/2012 6:58:36 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: saywhatagain
Those that say the same of Mittens, criticism is rooted in his belief of Mormonism, hopefully will take a deep breath before speaking.

Are you claiming that none of the virulence directed toward Romney and his supporters is rooted in antipathy toward Mormonism?

Really?

52 posted on 06/13/2012 6:58:58 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
"That's why I object to this "back to Kolob" jibe of yours"

Objection noted.
53 posted on 06/13/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: rogue yam
Chris Woodfin ~ isn't that your buddy? He seems to specialize in fixing primaries ~ something like that.

There, more objective discussion about elections ~ it's hard to win when people who are supposed to be on your side are actually pursuing a private agenda that has nothing to do with the needs of the nation.

54 posted on 06/13/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam; administrator
You want to go back to the last dozen threads where your only statement about anything has been 'you lie'.

You are one of the worst offenders in this game of stiffling discussion.

I have a paper prepared demonstrating that you are a troll ~ no need to post it. Satisfies me that you have a problem.

BTW, calling me a liar is to engage in a personal attack. Please stop it.

55 posted on 06/13/2012 7:01:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: parisa
Freepers in Virginia definitely had a complaint against Romney's disintrest in the integrity of the election. Still do. Makes Romney look like just another Obama.

You really do have to rehabilitate his reputation here.

56 posted on 06/13/2012 7:04:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Grig
FR has dwindled into an insular, nearly feral, group of political and religious thought police

I consider myself insular & feral. But I too am troubled by the thought police. I used to be addicted to FR. Now I just check in from time to time for old time sake.

57 posted on 06/13/2012 7:07:39 PM PDT by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: bigbob
"I don’t judge anyone by their religion, it is above my pay grade

I too for most of my life. I then moved abroad and live(ed) and work(ed) amongst those of the Islam faith. Hell yes. I judge "some" by their religion!

Why? Because even though they smile, say hi. act "normal" to a degree, they wish deep inside that you, I and infidels were dead. Least trustworthy people I have ever met.

Now of course all not bad, all not behave in such a manner, but fundamentally they have been taught and believe the western world is the great evil.

58 posted on 06/13/2012 7:08:13 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: goseminoles; Grig

“When I think of Romney, I don’t think mormon. I think Rino. But that’s what we got. Mormon doesn’t even come to mind.”

From a Christian who believes the bible is the inspired word of God, DITTO. Mormonism has nothing to do with my possible decision to not crawl over the broken glass on election day.


59 posted on 06/13/2012 7:09:57 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: Grig
Your grandchildren will call Mormons Christians

So our grandchildren will become apostate? Doubt it ..zot.

60 posted on 06/13/2012 7:10:50 PM PDT by xone
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