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EPA POWER GRAB TO REGULATE DITCHES, GULLIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY
human events ^ | june 11, 2012 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 06/11/2012 11:56:23 AM PDT by lowbridge

Lawmakers are working to block an unprecedented power grab by the Environmental Protection Agency to use the Clean Water Act (CWA) and control land alongside ditches, gullies and other ephemeral spots by claiming the sources are part of navigable waterways.

These temporary water sources are often created by rain or snowmelt, and would make it harder for private property owners to build in their own backyards, grow crops, raise livestock and conduct other activities on their own land, lawmakers say.

“Never in the history of the CWA has federal regulation defined ditches and other upland features as ‘waters of the United States,’” said Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.), chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), the ranking committee member, and Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio), chairman of the Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment.

“This is without a doubt an expansion of federal jurisdiction,” the lawmakers said in a May 31 letter to House colleagues.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda21; epa; obama
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To: lowbridge

When my computer goes wacko, I reboot it.


41 posted on 06/11/2012 4:08:04 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: trubolotta

The only solution is to dispand the EPA. I’m not holding my breath that the spineless twins McConnell and Boner have the will to do that.


42 posted on 06/11/2012 4:27:42 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: MichiganCheese

No doubt the US central government is on a quest to destroy both our constitutional rights and property rights. The better to control us.


43 posted on 06/11/2012 4:28:47 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: j_hig

Good point. Although lots of other homes don’t have ditches. I wonder if at some time in years long gone if the spring didn’t produce more water. Our yard, “upstream” of the spring, never had a ditch.


44 posted on 06/11/2012 4:37:10 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: lowbridge

Several of the worst busybody, socialist NIMBYs in my area are living with “water rights” on a creek that flows down from the nearby mountains. Every one of them has been or is government-employed and complaining against every private sector family that they know of.

If you know similar commies with a similar situation, make sure that they are dealt with by their beloved EPA first. Chaos and starvation for the beast—not us. It’s time to go on the offensive.


45 posted on 06/11/2012 4:47:18 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: lowbridge

EPA deserves to be 100% dismantled forever. It’s just a front for taking away regular citizens freedoms and liberty.


46 posted on 06/11/2012 5:27:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: trubolotta; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; rcrngroup
"Nor do I. Furthermore, if the Dept. of Ed. has swat teams, how far behind can the EPA be, if they are behind at all."

Armed EPA Agents Visit Asheville Man
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2892453/posts

The EPA also uses drones to spy on farmers and ranchers. IMO, farmers should prepare to get by for a few years and shut down agriculture for a time.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


47 posted on 06/11/2012 5:36:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: lowbridge

Florida is getting the EPA’s California treatment!


48 posted on 06/11/2012 5:49:34 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: 383rr; TEXOKIE; ELVISNIXON.com; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; CharlyFord; cripplecreek; ...
Thanks for the ping. You're damn right this is of interest. We've been trying to wake people up and rally the troops for years, but folks just aren't interested until it impacts them.

"When they came for the shoreline property, I didn't stand up because I live inland. When they came for the wells, I didn't act because I have muni district water" - ...and so on. Now they are coming for everyone.

The time to get people to understand how vulnerable every citizen is is running out fast.

I deal with the EPA and the Department of Ecology in my business as well as being part of an active property rights group. Believe me----
THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENT!

49 posted on 06/11/2012 6:18:32 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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BTW-Ya'all do know that Obama has given the EPA the ability to create and ENFORCE it's own law, don't you?
50 posted on 06/11/2012 6:26:11 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: Baynative
When it comes to Michigan, the globalists are slobbering all over themselves at the sight of all this fresh water. Where there is an abundance or a scarcity, they are there.

Water area in square miles

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Water area by percentage

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51 posted on 06/11/2012 6:36:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Baynative
BTW-Ya'all do know that Obama has given the EPA the ability to create and ENFORCE it's own law, don't you?

Uh, it's in the first chapter of the book I published eleven years ago. In that same book, I also warned about regulation of seasonal Class 3 Riparian Areas when the NRCD instituted lawsuits in all 50 states to establish TMDL regulations for non-point "pollution" sources. At the time it was for nitrate, but I wrote that it would soon be about silt.

Now, what was the point of all this? Why should the NRDC and the EPA think the nonpoint nitrate TMDL in the San Lorenzo River Watershed is such a big deal? It’s gonna take a little while for this one to sink in.

Mud.

Wherever there is dirt and water, there is mud. Whenever you mix mud and water, you get suspended silt. Mud is a nonpoint source of silt. Silt is found everywhere there is dirt, which is everywhere. If you want to control the use of dirt, just call it a pollutant! It isn’t clean water any more, it’s dirty. People don’t want dirty water. They want clean water. Just ask them.

To determine culpability for a source of silt is even harder than for nitrate. Nonpoint mud is a much harder sell for an initial action in nonpoint pollution enforcement than human feces. Natural causes of silt in the County of Santa Cruz vastly outweigh human contributions. Sources of silt vary by location and degree every year. To assign individual causes is highly subjective…

The State Water Resources Control Board employs five specialists assigned to institute nonpoint TMDL standards in the Central Coast Region. At the time of this writing, one third of the TMDL documents on their web site deal with the San Lorenzo River Watershed. Why are they focusing upon such a small community as the San Lorenzo Valley, in a County with timber practices touted as some of the finest in the world?

Santa Cruz County is a perfect test environment for enforcement of TMDL upon sources of nonpoint silt. It is one of the few places in the world with both nonpoint nitrate problems from urban and agricultural sources and silt problems involving a rural/suburban forest, coho salmon, and timber harvesting. It also has an entrenched activist bureaucracy, a thoroughly proven political machine, and a university activist community with which to supply the “experts” to make it all happen.

Few, even on this forum, paid any attention. 'Oh, that's just a local issue in loony Santa Cruz.' Yeah, right.

52 posted on 06/11/2012 6:51:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: rcrngroup

When will we finally come to a day when government employees are fearful? When will some / any figure out that they are being paid for nothing and it can’t last? When will some / any figure out that they have become enemies of the people and that the people will not tolerate it?


53 posted on 06/11/2012 7:34:06 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: lowbridge

Armed EPA?


54 posted on 06/11/2012 9:13:43 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: lowbridge
Isn't a human rectum, when suspended over a toilet, connected to a navigable waterway, and thus subject to EPA jurisdiction?

EPA's new motto: All your a--holes are belong to us :-)

55 posted on 06/11/2012 9:51:21 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Carry_Okie
I didn't realize you are in Santa Cruz. I used to live at La Selva Beach and had my first awakening into environmental politics when I built a new home above the Elkhorn Slough near Prunedale in Monterey Co.

It was about the time Santa Cruz Co had spent untold dollars on a bike path to link Santa Cruz to points south and after it was almost complete from two sides a gaggle of greenies stopped it from crossing about 150 feet of a canyon in Soquel because of some weeds or flies.

Have you ever run across Michael Shaw, by chance?

56 posted on 06/12/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: John W

I thought Indiana was where the DNR were outlawing the keeping of certain breeds of hogs (based on appearance) on farms under some sort of “feral hog” law...


57 posted on 06/12/2012 6:11:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Baynative
Have you ever run across Michael Shaw, by chance?

Michael Shaw does a lot of valuable work to complain about the Agenda 21 and educate people to the threat it portends. He has put a fair bit of money and time into it, printed pamphlets, distributed video, and the like. He has supported important lawsuits financially. Yet typical of Randians, he has no concept for practical means in free markets to deal with the problems arising out of modern scale, transportation, and chemistry. He babbles about liberty, but in my opinion, he doesn't understand the HOW when it comes to addressing real problems with some uses of private property arising out of changes due to modern technology. There are real problems with the common law foundation of our legal system and its lack of correspondence to physical reality that he just doesn't seem to grasp.

Michael indirectly got me involved in the Santa Cruz County Local Agenda 21 Biodiversity and Ecosystem Management Roundtable. On the committee, he showed up for a few early meetings, did no work, and contributed little in the way of ideas (I negotiated and wrote the draft). He hung around long enough to make sure "program h" was in the document, thus getting into an ordinance language stating that he could develop his property. That done, he was not to be seen again. When the final battle came over a year later and the "central committee" (IOW Jeannie Nordland and crew) forced a completely rewritten and fraudulent document down our throats, he was strangely absent. When I called him on it over the phone, he said, "you're doing a really good job."

I have more to say on that and more as a personal matter, but I'd rather say it to his face with independent witnesses present.

58 posted on 06/12/2012 7:08:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: rcrngroup

Haven’t you heard? Nobody has to “show up”. They just fly the drone over the farm then send him a summons in the mail. If the farmer doesn’t show up in court he loses his farm or at least pays a big fine.

This not only “ditch” take over. This is “Front and Back Yard” take over.


59 posted on 06/12/2012 9:06:12 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe this is the “third” think Perry couldn’t remember.

It appears there really is an Agenda 21.


60 posted on 06/12/2012 9:14:45 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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