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Woman barred from US after denying citizenship
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 4, 2012 | The Associated Press

Posted on 06/04/2012 7:57:04 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — A 20-year-old native Texan says she's barred from re-entering the country after she denied, under grilling by the U.S. Border Patrol, that she was a U.S. citizen.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; mx; tx
She said he was handcuffed to a chair for hours until he said he had been born in Mexico, even though he was born in a McAllen hospital.

Once someone signs a statement denying U.S. citizenship, years can be needed to knock it down, Brodyaga said. she had a Texas driver's license and U.S. birth certificate , and you can buy these all day long in Mexico. I think trying to game the system...

1 posted on 06/04/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

be careful what you ask for....


2 posted on 06/04/2012 7:57:49 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: moonshinner_09

“She said he was handcuffed to a chair for hours until he said he had been born in Mexico, even though he was born in a McAllen hospital. “

Sounds suspicious. You’d have to be an idiot to lie knowingly about something that can be easily determined.


3 posted on 06/04/2012 8:01:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: moonshinner_09

As ususal these days the story raises many more questions than it answers.


4 posted on 06/04/2012 8:02:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: moonshinner_09

We have all the prostitutes the nation can handle at present. Go home and service your countrymen.


5 posted on 06/04/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: moonshinner_09

If anyone believes any of this, I have a deal for you!

A birth certificate and a driver’s license cannot get you back into the United States. YOU MUST HAVE A PASSPORT!

The laws were changed several years ago to force American citizens to have a valid passport to even cross the border into Mexico for any reason.

I don’t know if the howls of protest raised by that law were adjusted in the name of Political Correctness or not as of today.

Just another lie and scam by a Mexican national trying to cheat their way into our country and on our welfare rolls.


6 posted on 06/04/2012 8:05:45 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: moonshinner_09
Who knows what the truth is here?

Time will tell.

Who knows, maybe former TSA Agents who learned their "trade" very well browbeating/intimidating little ol' ladies on crutches and young kids in wheel chairs found a new home in the BP?

This country is now populated with (more than a few, sadly) Jack-Booted-Thugs who have let their little tin badge and position go to their heads and would have been right at home in Germany in the 30's/40's!

7 posted on 06/04/2012 8:06:59 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: moonshinner_09

Is there an issue or news story here?
She denied US Citizenship. Case closed.


8 posted on 06/04/2012 8:09:28 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: DH
A birth certificate and a driver’s license cannot get you back into the United States. YOU MUST HAVE A PASSPORT!

Not necessarily. One can re-enter using a "PASS" card or "Enhanced Drivers License."

The PASS card (People Access Security Service) is a credit card-sized passport substitute and an Enhanced Drivers License are BOTH available to Texas residents.

This story does not touch on what kind of drivers license this woman had.

9 posted on 06/04/2012 8:13:49 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: moonshinner_09
... born in a McAllen hospital.

Big deal, what citizenship was held by her parents?

10 posted on 06/04/2012 8:22:06 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: moonshinner_09
It’s Not So Easy to Renounce US Citizenship

http://jetsettershow.com/2012/05/its-not-so-easy-to-renounce-us-citizenship/

Exactly how easy is it to leave good, old America anyway?

Answer? Not very.

The funny part about the idea of renouncing your citizenship is that the State Department makes it a tad difficult to leave the land of the free and home of the brave. See? Funny, huh? Though our country professes to value freedom in a general sense, the specific freedom to vacate the “premises” is severely limited.

The State Department itself doesn’t even keep track of how many “renunciants” there are annually, preferring to adopt a head-in-the-sand ostrich strategy of pretending they don’t exist. Thanks to the IRS, however, we can check the Federal Register on a quarterly basis to find that, for example, in 2002 there were 403 official departures from American citizenship.

The tricky part to actually renouncing your citizenship is that the State Department, the agency in charge of overseeing expatriation, does not allow a citizen to exist in a “stateless” status. This means you must seek and secure legal citizenship in another country or be granted asylum before an attempt to renounce will even be considered. The process of legally establishing yourself in another country can be lengthy, expensive, and complicated. You must prove that you do not intend to live in the United States afterwards.

The final kicker on the whole deal is official renunciation cannot take place inside the boundaries of the United States. You’ve got to be at the consul’s office in another country for that.

11 posted on 06/04/2012 8:22:17 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Is there an issue or news story here? She denied US Citizenship. Case closed.

Not really. See my post #11.

Methinks the BP does not know the law here (not surprising) and they might end up with egg all over their face over this one.

Will be interesting to follow when (and it WILL) end up in court.

12 posted on 06/04/2012 8:26:11 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: moonshinner_09

She should have had a passport.


13 posted on 06/04/2012 8:29:15 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: DManA

The problem is that this so called journalist did not actually raise the question as to why she denied her citizenship and why was she detained by customs (drugs, money, human smuggling DUH!). If it doesn’t fit the narrative for the Left, the pertainent questions will not be asked. When I see articles from Leftist sources, I am usually drawn to the Freepers’ comments first because the gaps in background information and analysis are appauling
in most msm ‘news stories’.


14 posted on 06/04/2012 8:31:37 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: moonshinner_09

For the record...

If you renounce citizenship, choose a new citizenship whose passport has visa free travel to the US, so that you do not have to request a visa to visit the USA.

If you choose a citizenship from a country that does not have visa free travel, you will likely be denied.


15 posted on 06/04/2012 8:39:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

The “PASS” card is a passport , just a limited use passport.

http://www.getyouhome.gov/html/lang_eng/eng_uspc.html

The enhanced driver’s license is not available in Texas, only Michigan, New York, Vermont and Washington offer this.

http://www.getyouhome.gov/html/lang_eng/eng_edl.html


16 posted on 06/04/2012 8:45:32 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Just as a word of caution, the PASS card will allow you to travel to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean islands BY SURFACE ONLY. Don’t drive, walk or cruise down with one and expect to be able to fly back.


17 posted on 06/04/2012 8:50:33 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1231 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: moonshinner_09

Hmmm, there has to be more to the story. The BP didn’t just pull her out of the line at the bridge for nothing. There was a reason she was put in handcuffs just as there was a reason she was interrogated for hours. Either she was up to something illegal or she had it planned to make some sort of statement.


18 posted on 06/04/2012 8:55:41 AM PDT by bgill
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To: moonshinner_09
She said he was handcuffed to a chair for hours until he said he had been born in Mexico, even though he was born in a McAllen hospital.

Two possibilities:

(1) She's lying. Who would deny their own citizenship if they knew records would prove it?, or

(2) She is an anchor baby, in which case they should deport her anyway, and let her lawsuit be taken to the SCOTUS, where "birthright citizenship" needs to be ended once and for all.

19 posted on 06/04/2012 9:11:59 AM PDT by montag813
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To: bgill

It says BP twice and CBP once, which makes me think it was BP which means she was caught sneaking across the border rather than at a designated border crossing. Very suspicious.


20 posted on 06/04/2012 9:31:47 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: moonshinner_09

I remember an similar incident almost 60 year ago. My aunt took one of their kin to Juarez as she lived in El Paso. He was in his US military uniform.

On the way back into the US he decided to get smart with the border guards and when asked his nationality he said...”Japanese! I’m just wearing this uniform.”

They were held at the border for hours till they got it straightened out.


21 posted on 06/04/2012 9:32:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: montag813

“Who would deny their own citizenship if they knew records would prove it?”

Probably for the same reason people confess to murders they couldn’t possibly have done after 8 hours of police interrogation.


22 posted on 06/04/2012 9:37:40 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Not necessarily. One can re-enter using a “PASS” card or “Enhanced Drivers License.”

Or a SENTRI card


23 posted on 06/04/2012 9:39:03 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: moonshinner_09

I wonder how many of these people we’ve been reading about as of lately renouncing U.S. citizenship for whatever purposes, tax avoidance, etc, realize they lose their 2nd Ammendment rights when doing so. The 4473 that is required for purchases from a dealer has a question on it that specifically asks if an purchaser has ever renounced there citezenship. Any yes answers means you walk.....empty handed.


24 posted on 06/04/2012 9:41:37 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: montag813

>>>Two possibilities:

(1) She’s lying. Who would deny their own citizenship if they knew records would prove it?, or

(2) She is an anchor baby, in which case they should deport her anyway, and let her lawsuit be taken to the SCOTUS, where “birthright citizenship” needs to be ended once and for all.<<<

If she is lying (which I think is the most likely scenario, she should be barred entry. If she had “birthright citizenship”, she should be admitted. We go by the laws we have, not the ones we believe we should have.

BTW, the “McAllen hospital” story did not refer to this woman, but a man that some random lawyer, interviewed for the story, allegedly represented “several years ago”. I do suspect the reporter was trying to induce readers to incorrectly draw that conclusion, though.

“San Benito lawyer Lisa Brodyaga said she represented a man several years ago who was a U.S. citizen denied re-entry into the United States at Laredo. She said he was handcuffed to a chair for hours until he said he had been born in Mexico, even though he was born in a McAllen hospital.”


25 posted on 06/04/2012 9:58:50 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: DH

You can still cross back into the US from Mexico with a birth certificate and drivers license. You will spend some time with your local Customs officer while they verify your identity. I had to do this 2 years ago when my son got his mother’s car stuck in Algodones Mexico. I didn’t have a passport at the time so I took my birth certificate with me. That along with my drivers license and retired military ID got me and my wife’s car back accross the border. I had to spend almost 3 hours at the port of entry while they verified everything. It ain’t fun but it can be done.


26 posted on 06/04/2012 10:06:06 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: thackney
The enhanced driver’s license is not available in Texas, only Michigan, New York, Vermont and Washington offer this.

I stand corrected. I thought I had read somewhere that Texas had also implemented this program, but turns out they are still working on it.

Thanks

27 posted on 06/04/2012 10:24:50 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: DH

“A birth certificate and a driver’s license cannot get you back into the United States. YOU MUST HAVE A PASSPORT!”

Actually, not exactly true.

A few months back I discussed this with my son after my trip to Canada and asked him what would have happened if I left/lost my passport at the airport, or left it on the airplane, or dropped it after disembarking the aircraft and walking to the POE and found myself at the POE without one.

My son, a Border Patrol Agent, said US citizens may not be barred from entry into the US.

A valid passport makes the process simpler and easier. The citizen and the CBP officers working the POE have to do a few more steps to verify you are a citizen, but in the end you will be let back in.

Happens not all the time, but it happens, that a US citizen arrives at the border and can’t locate his passport.

Paperwork to follow, and no, the citizen doesn’t have to travel hundreds of miles to get to a US Embassy or consulate office for a replacement passport.

Oh, the story is odd and makes no sense.


28 posted on 06/04/2012 10:30:18 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“Who knows, maybe former TSA Agents who learned their “trade” very well browbeating/intimidating little ol’ ladies on crutches and young kids in wheel chairs found a new home in the BP?”

Point of order, as I know your post denigrating the Border Patrol was done likely because you are unaware of who does what along the US border.

A search of the DHS website reveals an organizational chart. Download it (pdf). It shows “Customs and Border Protection (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/dhs-orgchart.pdf).

On this same org chart you will see a box labeled “Office of Field Operations.” This is organization within the blue uniformed Customs and Border Protection Officers (CBPO) reside. These are the guys that work the POEs.

Office of Field Operations: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/about/organization/assist_comm_off/field_operations.xml;
“OFO is the largest component in CBP and is responsible for securing the U.S. border AT POINTS OF ENTRY while expediting lawful trade and travel.”

So, sir, it is NOT the Border Patrol working the POE’s.

Please note the BLUE uniform of the OFO Acting Assistant Commissioner: http://206.241.31.129/ImageCache/cgov/content/about/organization/assistant_5fcommissioners_5foffices/hires/mcaleenan_5fhires_2ejpg/v1/mcaleenan_5fhires.jpg

Contrast CBP OFO with the Border Patrol, (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_ohs/overview.xml): “The primary mission of the Border Patrol is to protect our Nation by reducing the likelihood that dangerous people and capabilities enter the United States BETWEEN THE POINTS OF ENTRY.”)

The Border Patrol works BETWEEN the POEs.

Please note the green uniform of the BP Acting Chief: http://206.241.31.142/ImageCache/cgov/content/about/organization/staff_5fhires_5fimages/hi_5fres/fisher_5fhires_2ejpg/v3/fisher_5fhires.jpg

As you can see, you are mistaken by calling out the BP.

The BP Agents are out in the field, working in harsh lands and taking down drug and human smugglers. They are doing dangerous work and risking their lives each day as they work alone, sometimes in pairs, as they take down groups of illegals. Business is brisk and has not slacked no matter what Nappy-Pants and The Messiah say.

My son, a Border Patrol Agent, was involved in a shoot (righteous shoot and cleared). In the case of Agent Brian Terry, he was not so lucky. BP Agents Ramos and Compean were screwed by the feds (http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/).

So, the Boys in Green (BP) take enough crap from the weenies in Wash DC. They don’t need to take crap for stuff they didn’t do.


29 posted on 06/04/2012 10:46:05 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“Methinks the BP does not know the law here (not surprising) and they might end up with egg all over their face over this one.”

See Post 29.

Methinks you do not know who actually works the POEs.

(Hint: it is NOT the Border Patrol).

Prepare to clean egg off your face.

;-)


30 posted on 06/04/2012 10:50:29 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: bgill

“The BP didn’t just pull her out of the line at the bridge for nothing. “

Post 29.

The newspaper in the first paragraph says Border Patrol pulled her but then in the next paragraph the newspaper says CBP officers. Sheesh, the newspaper can’t be bothered to get the facts correct—simple facts, like who is alleged to have done this. Gawd, the MSM are so awful.


31 posted on 06/04/2012 10:55:51 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: moonshinner_09
She said he was handcuffed to a chair for hours until he said he had been born in Mexico

Sounds like there may be a gender disconnect between the birth certificate and the body. Post surgical? ESL?

32 posted on 06/05/2012 5:49:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: moonshinner_09

There must be many illegals entering the US by using the plentiful array of false documents. I have noticed over the years that you rarely see women walking through the desert on foot. So how are all of these illegal alien moms coming into the country to have their anchor babies? Since there are millions of fake documents both in Mexico and in the US, it seems plausible that using fake documents would be an easy way to just walk or drive into the US. Has anyone heard of the widespread usage of fake documents to enter the US?


33 posted on 06/10/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: montag813

Speaking of ending birthright citizenship, what was the state that brought this question to the courts and does anyone know what became of it.


34 posted on 06/10/2012 2:40:45 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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