Exclusive: Eloped? Elizabeth Warren's Parents Married in Religious Ceremony

breitbart.com ^ | 6/1/12 | Michael Patrick Leahy

[ColdOne]

Last night, in an interview with the Boston Globe, Elizabeth Warren claimed that her parents were forced to elope because her father’s family objected to her mother’s Native American heritage:

"In the 1930s, when my parents got married, these were hard issues,’’ Warren said. “My father’s family so objected to my mother’s Native American heritage that my mother told me they had to elope. [emphasis added]

Breitbart News has obtained a copy of what it believes to be Warrens' parents’ marriage certificate from Hughes County, Oklahoma, dated January 4, 1932. The marriage took place in Holdenville, Oklahoma, the county seat, located approximately 14 miles from Wetumpka, Oklahoma, which both the 21-year-old groom, Donald J. Herring, and 19-year-old bride, Pauline Reed, declared as their residence.

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Marriage Certificate of Elizabeth Warren’s parents, Donald Herring and Pauline Reed

According to the document, the marriage was performed by Sidney H. Babcock, pastor of the Methodist Episcopal Church South of Holdensville, Oklahoma.

Typically, couples that elope do not marry in a church, or in their place of residence.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Another preposterous lie.

[Ladysforest]

Family lore.

[LucianOfSamasota]

Ugly, stupid, and crooked is a bad combination.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

And I thought Ward Churchill was a hoot. You know, I think about 1000 years ago one of my ancestors in Ireland may have had a child by a black man! If so I want my rights! I am sick and tired of being held down by the man! The test for fireman is racist! I want my additional 10 point credit because of my new found race! Where be my affirmative actions? I am Trayvon!

[MCSP2008]

Salve

Wow, I see now, she is ashamed to white, I get it, well friends I don’t think Native American Indians of different tribes, like Apache, Sioux, and others will like this.

Since her proclamation, I have question - have she ever visit her suppose own familia in reservations?

I also know that each tribe has different dialect; can she speak fluently of tribe she says is she from?

Hmmmmmmm, she is on idiot simple as this.

I am sorry if I misspoke, this is just to surreal for reality.

Merci

[Herodes]

I understand the Pastor had high cheekbones.

[DrC]

So either Warren has lied once again or, in the best case, her mom lied to her, in which case this might explain Elizabeth’s congenital predisposition to tell tall tales!

[Dudoight]

What a joke!

[PGR88]

I’m starting to think she is mentally ill.

She just can’t let go of this Cherokee thing, nor can she stop herself from giving voice to all the “family lore” (ie. fantasies). She also seems incapable of recognizing that a majority of people do NOT care about her constant burnishing of her leftist, racial bona-fides.

[Izzy Dunne]

Heck, I’m 6th-generation Appalachian-American, but you don’t see ME checking the box for racial preferences!

[marron]

They had to elope because of a thimble-full of Cherokee blood? In Oklahoma people brag about their Cherokee blood. Including, evidently, people who don’t have any.

[rbg81]

Probably correct. Its not hip to be White anymore.

Even so, its only reaonable to label yourself somehting when you’re 1/4 or more. After that, it starts getting ridiculous. Saying your 1/32 Indian should be ignored by any minority beancounters.

[thethirddegree]

That would make her mother only 1/16 Cherokee, not enough to be officially recognized by the Cherokee Nation as being one of them. This woman keeps digging the hole deeper for herself.

[zerosix]

Gotta love this chick: like BC, she'd rather "climb a tall tree to tell a lie, than to stand on flat ground and tell the truth!"

[Pollster1]

To be fair to Elizabeth Running-Mouth Warren, I know of several elopements in which the couple were married in a church after arranging for two witnesses and a minister. This is not relevant to her creative writing project on family history.

[MCSP2008]

Salve

A on this meditate I will...I see dark side of the force clouds everything, hard to see future is :}}}}}}

She is a liar, my friend my grand, grand, grand, grand, grandmother was in relationship with Emperor of China, and my grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, uncle was married to Japanese Emperor, and my relatives are from Royal Familia.

Yes, sure Madam, make your stuff, please don’t lie and offend true American Indians, they might be less respectful then some of us. And if you are ashamed to be white, well get some plastic surgery, but don’t assume of what you are not. That is not nice!!!!!!!

Merci.

[nascarnation]

I’m totally impressed that “our” media is biting into this story like a rabid pit bull.

I’d love to see them investigate if Warren’s two adult children have used this ruse for college or job preferential treatment.

[nicksaunt]

Oh my. Warren is the gift that keeps gving.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-—Another preposterous lie.-—

She doesn’t know when to quit.

[Izzy Dunne]

couples that elope do not marry in a church, or in their place of residence.

Hey, dem wuz hahd times, lemme tellya.

We hadda elope cuz my daddy dinna like it that yo mama was an Injun, ya see?

But we dinna have money enough 'cept to git outta town, so's we eloped down atta reg'lar church in town heah...

[Reo]

"I’m starting to think she is mentally ill."

She's a lib. No further proof needed.

[zerosix]

Not mentally ill, pleeeze, we hear enough about that excuse given for far too many wrongs.

What this woman is, is a chronic liar, who like those who rely on lies to explain their past, must continue to cover up the first lie, with many, many, many others.

That's why "bearing false witness" is one of the 10!

[God luvs America]

no- this is just the usual “its someone elses fault” liberal line....with the economy they blame Bush....fauxcahontas is going to blame her parents and throw them under the bus....

[RitaOK]

Well said, and succinct.

[MCSP2008]

Salve

LMAOF that was good :}}}}

She’s is imposter and liar, everybody can see that, but she insist she is Native American Indian — woman is lost. When you live in lies, you don’t even know what truth is.

Merci.

[texican01]

Agree. As one who grew up in Oklahoma, most Okies claim to have a little Indian/Cherokee blood — even those who DO NOT!

Sounds like Lizzie is one sick puppy —literally!

[KosmicKitty]

First off, I don’t believe that a word the Ms Warren says, but...

Friends of my parents were out on a date, decided to get married, found a church that was open and pulled in a couple of people off the street as witnesses and got married

So, you can elope and be married in a church. At least you could in the 1920’s.

BTW, this marriage lasted over 65 years till the husband died at the age of 96, so spur of the moment decisions can work out okay.

[Presbyterian Reporter]

Elizabeth Warren keeps flapping her gums on her Indian ancestry because she fears civil or criminal lawsuits for illegally claiming to be an Indian.

Otherwise, there is no reason why she would make the frivolous claim that her parents eloped because her fake 1/16th Cherokee mother had high cheekbones and her father’s family were biased against high cheekboned people.

[rawhide]

I think I understand this ancestry business now. Just name it and claim it. Presto, you’re an native American.

[freekitty]

These people just can’t stop lying.

[txrefugee]

Hopefully, she won’t get mixed up in her fables and say her grandmother was the first woman to breastfeed in Oklahoma.....

[fish hawk]

It's a known fact that the majority of people with high cheek bones elope.

[dead]

Was batshit a tribe, because she’s definitely more than 1/32 batshit.

[oh8eleven]

You know, I think about 1000 years ago one of my ancestors in Ireland may have had a child by a black man!
And all these years I thought the "Black Irish" were just make believe. Who knew?

[MCSP2008]

Salve

You know the truth friend. She is just liar.

To pretend to be you are not, kind makes you think who she really is in real life.

Merci.

[marron]

I agree. I can’t speak for the other tribes, but in Oklahoma Cherokee blood at least has always been cool.

[JPG]

The Squaw has ditched her shovel and brought in a Cat D11.

[TornadoAlley3]

Warren’s family came to Oklahoma at the end the 19th century, part of the land rush that preceded statehood.

Her grandmother, Hannie Crawford Reed, who had already lost her own mother, drove a horse-drawn wagon from Missouri to the territory at the age of 13, according to family lore. Hannie’s father rode ahead on a horse.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/02/12/girl-who-soared-but-longed-belong/rx59B8AcqsZokclyJXkg7I/story.html

[Pigsley]

You write quite well for esl.

I don’t think she is ashamed to be white. She tried to get advantage in society by pretending to be part Indian AND GOT CAUGHT.

These are just more lies, to cover the first lie.

[MCSP2008]

Salve

She is peace of work friend.

Merci.

[MCSP2008]

Salve Friend I think she has went over a bridge long ago, I think. Psychosis (from the Ancient Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition or derangement) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.[2] Some professionals say that the term psychosis is not sufficient as some illnesses grouped under the term "psychosis" have nothing in common (Gelder, Mayou & Geddes 2005). Indeed, a complex constellation of neurological and psychological factors can result in the altered signalling observed in psychosis. In otherwise normal individuals, exogenous ligands can produce psychotic symptoms. NMDA receptor antagonists, such as ethanol and ketamine, can replicate a similar psychosis to that experienced in schizophrenia.[3] Prolonged or high dose use of psychostimulants will alter of function like the manic phase of bipolar disorder.[4] NMDA antagonists replicate some of the so called "negative" symptoms e.g., thought disorder in subanasthetic doses, and catatonia in high doses. Psychostimulants, especially in one already prone to psychotic thinking, can cause some "positive" symptoms, such as delusional beliefs, particularly those persecutory in nature. However, some positive symptoms lack a simple neurotransmitter-based explanation, specifically, the auditory hallucinations observed in schizophrenia. These have a much more complex genesis, involving abnormal synaptic plasticity, and the formation of a "parallel process" within the brain. Of specific interest is the entorhinal cortex, which has much less (indirect) connections to the tertiary auditory cortex, as well as direct connections to the hippocampus, the most active region of neurogenesis in the adult brain. The absence of layer IV in this portion of the temporal lobe means much less interneuronal "buffering" is present. As such, there are many more connections between the large pyramidal neurons of layer V and the relatively small pyramidal neurons of layer III. As such, the unique structure of this area allows its cortiocortical efferents, specifically layer III to layer I of the prefrontal cortex, to exert much excitatory, to the globally modulatory frontal lobe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis Merci

[massgopguy]

So she is trying to play the “Her mothered suffered discrimination” card. For an ancestry that didn’t exist.

[X-spurt]

You would think someone would remind Liz about quit digging when finding oneself in a hole. Maybe she’s got some miner blood too.

With nobama beginning to take on water, klintoon/lanny davis/rendell saying nice about Mitt, looks like all dems are turning in circles not knowing which way to go.

[arthurus]

She is a Liberal therefore and ergo she truly believes these things are true, because she said they are true. To an intellectual liberal, reality is a mental construct and is whatever the liberal desires it to be. The weaker ones get all fumblemouthed trying to defend these Truths because somewhere back in the deepest recesses of their brains there is a wisp of doubt.

[BuckeyeTexan]

In Oklahoma people brag about their Cherokee blood.

That's the whole truth right there. I have family in Oklahoma. At every family reunion, someone is bragging about getting their membership card/number from The Cherokee Nation.

Come to think of it, that's where Breitbart needs to focus. Members of The Cherokee Nation get some extensive healthcare benefits and tuition grants.

[MCSP2008]

Salve

I think that woman needs to get some serious help my friend.

She is not happy to be white, she is insulting Native American Indians, she is some peace of work. Well I think she learned from the Master, who just insulted my best friends in Poland.

Liars don’t live to long before being expose.

All the people in media had to do is this:

Talk to me in your native language of your tribe?

Every Native American Indian speaks their dialect of their tribe, can she?

Truth is in a pudding.

Merci.

[arthurus]

Black Irish are mostly the descendants of the large number of Armada shipwrecked sailors that immigrated involuntarily in 1588.

[Little Bill]

The forage must have been better in the 1890’s than when my family went West in the late 1840’s in an Ox train, horses couldn't eat the grass. Then everyone walked, except those women that just dropped a kid. The death rate was about one in fifteen.

[WKUHilltopper]

Did her dad give her grandparents a pony to seal the marriage? If not, they may not have been legally married under Cherokee law.