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Gun beats knife
Washington Times ^ | 29 May 2012 | Anneke Green

Posted on 05/29/2012 7:34:13 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Being a retired cop made all the difference for Kio Ebrahimzadeh when he and his date were threatened with a knife earlier this month. The majority of California residents would have been helpless in the face of the imminent assault. Mr. Ebrahimzadeh is one of the privileged few in the Golden State permitted to carry a concealed gun.

The night started out pleasantly enough. Mr. Ebrahimzadeh picked a relatively secluded spot on the patio of the 3rd Stop, a Los Angeles restaurant. Dinner had just arrived when he and his companion were approached by a stranger, Kevin Scott Park, who loudly demanded they give him their food. Mr. Ebrahimzadeh refused and politely told him to go away and leave them alone. Instead, Park stepped off to the side, grabbed a bag and began rummaging through it, which signaled danger to the former officer. “My firearm was concealed in a bag on the table,” he told The Washington Times. “I was unzipping the bag when the man pulled out a huge knife and said, ‘Give me your food now!’ ” Instead, he was given the business end of a Glock 40 as Mr. Ebrahimzadeh drew his weapon and said, “Retired police officer. Drop the knife. Step back.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; glock; selfdefense

1 posted on 05/29/2012 7:34:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Kevin, it just wasn’t your day, was it? The NERVE of the guy to resist a perfectly good knife attack with a gun! :)


2 posted on 05/29/2012 7:39:44 PM PDT by ChoobacKY
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To: smokingfrog

Last summer there was a defensive stabbing near me. It turned out that the guy defending himself with the knife was even legally armed at the time.

He said he didn’t want to escalate the situation.

If it were me I’d have gone all badass when interviewed by the paper and told them “I just wanted to know what it felt like to slide a knife into a man”.


3 posted on 05/29/2012 7:40:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: smokingfrog

Too bad 99% of Californians couldn’t do the same thing.

Hey, we ARE the 99%!!!


4 posted on 05/29/2012 7:40:57 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: smokingfrog

“Glock 40”? Never heard of that model ;o)

Oh he meant .40 caliber...


5 posted on 05/29/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: smokingfrog
Mr. Ebrahimzadeh is one of the privileged few in the Golden State permitted to carry a concealed gun.

Not quite true. CA is a may-issue state and ccw's are handed out at the pleasure of county sheriffs or police chiefs. The county I'm in is near shall-issue. If you live in LA, Frisco or there blue meccas, you can pretty well forget getting a ccw.

6 posted on 05/29/2012 7:46:22 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

What county is that? A move might be in my future.


7 posted on 05/29/2012 7:48:39 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: smokingfrog

Beyond 50 yards I would prefer a rifle, from 5 to 50 it would be a shotgun. From 1 to 5 yards a pistol or revolver.

From zero to a yard, maybe a pistol again but I probably would be more afraid of a guy holding a short battle axe.


8 posted on 05/29/2012 7:49:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: smokingfrog
until the SWAT team arrived to take him in.

Yep, that's what we need against knives. Drones, too.

9 posted on 05/29/2012 7:52:26 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Clint N. Suhks

My favorite is the Glock 27 with a Pierce grip extension.

IMHO one of the best carry weapons made.


10 posted on 05/29/2012 7:55:58 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: smokingfrog

Only if every citizen could be able to do that in California, not just a select, privileged few. Wouldn’t it read a much better story if ten diners all stood up and aimed their Glocks at this knife-wielding nutjob?


11 posted on 05/29/2012 7:57:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: reardensteel

Kern County issues more permits than any other county (58 counties). Bakersfield City may also issue permits, but not as prolific as the county.


12 posted on 05/29/2012 7:59:22 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: yarddog

You don’t let them get in from 0 to 3 yards. Anything 20-25 feet or closer if you aren’t already drawn and on target they’ll probably be able to get to you. Not saying they’ll kill you but I’m saying they may be able to get a hit on you.


13 posted on 05/29/2012 7:59:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
“Glock 40”? Never heard of that model ;o)

You're just not professional enough!


14 posted on 05/29/2012 8:01:13 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly.

It would have been a clean kill, justified shooting had Kevin not given it up.


15 posted on 05/29/2012 8:03:11 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: umgud
Kern County issues more permits than any other county

I've heard that San Francisco cops will still treat you like a criminal even if you have a valid California CCW permit. Any validity to this?

16 posted on 05/29/2012 8:09:27 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If you know a person is a threat, then you do not let them approach you at all.

However being in crowded areas, you can’t help but have people get close to you that you do not know are threatening. Of course no one would carry around a two headed battle axe.

A sturdy walking cane just might beat a gun or knife at close quarters if you have learned to use it well. One heavy enough to break an arm or crack a skull.


17 posted on 05/29/2012 8:11:00 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Secret Agent Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt7FDTpzGvo


18 posted on 05/29/2012 8:12:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: yarddog

Inside of 3 yards I’d almost (almost) prefer a longsword, or maybe a combat tomahawk and short-sword to a gun. At that range, even the gun has to be already out and ready. It’s too late.

This begs the value of learning some basic ringen techniques (hand to hand combat) unarmed against an armed opponent. At close quarters it is essential to have some idea how to take a knife or gun from somebody. If they have the advantage first, it’s the difference between surviving and dying.


19 posted on 05/29/2012 8:12:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

At short range the Spartans preferred a short stabbing spear as did the Zulu tribes. I know the Spartans were real killers but part of that was the support they got from their fellow soldiers.

The ancient Greeks said that man to man they were not that much better than other soldiers.

I remember reading in “All Quiet on the Western Front” that the German soldiers in fierce hand to hand combat preferred their sharpened spades to bayonets.


20 posted on 05/29/2012 8:19:37 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Gabrial

That’s exactly what I have and with the Pearce +2 grip extension. 12+1 rounds baby!

I also have 9mm and SIG .357 conversion barrels.

It’s 3 guns in one!


21 posted on 05/29/2012 8:21:10 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: GunsAndBibles
I've heard that San Francisco cops will still treat you like a criminal even if you have a valid California CCW permit. Any validity to this?

I suspect so. Several years ago, the Alameda police tried to arrest me and became quite frustrated due the statewide nature of my ccw. They were sure mad when they had to let me go.

22 posted on 05/29/2012 8:22:34 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: smokingfrog

Idiot who shot himself in the foot?

Seen it! LOL!


23 posted on 05/29/2012 8:22:50 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: smokingfrog

For me there is self defense, but none for thee. Seems the same type of incidents happened last year in Chicago and NYC. Seems like a pattern there.


24 posted on 05/29/2012 8:25:12 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: yarddog
A sturdy walking cane just might beat a gun or knife at close quarters if you have learned to use it well. One heavy enough to break an arm or crack a skull.

True that. In medieval/renaissance times, they called the staff the "prince of weapons". First you'd learn ringen, then longsword, and sword and buckler... And then they'd teach the staff. Used properly a staff is a formidable weapon. My walking stick, curiously enough, is a six-foot length of 1.25" hickory. :-) I have a couple of eight foot hickory staffs, but they're a little unhandy for walking purposes. I'm thinking about making one of them into a boat hook.

25 posted on 05/29/2012 8:26:29 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: yarddog

When I was a kid growing up in DeFuniak Springs, Fl. the local library had a huge collection of armor and weapons from Scotland.

It had been collected by the U.S. ambassador to Scotland (there was actually such a position at one time)

I was always fascinated by the huge swords which I know know were Claymores. They looked so large and unwieldy, I could not imagine using one, but then again we all know just how effective the Scots were with them beating English Armies time and again.


26 posted on 05/29/2012 8:28:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_EoRZOVes


27 posted on 05/29/2012 8:30:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: GunsAndBibles
I've heard that San Francisco cops will still treat you like a criminal even if you have a valid California CCW permit.

SF policing is entirely political, and the command structure is politically beholden to the Marxists in charge.

The beat cops will lose their jobs over any action or report that differs from the dictate of the city leftist politicians, so they report what the mayor wants reported, the way he wants it reported.

The only people without political protection are the normal, law abiding people. They are the ones that the cops don't have to worry about offending.

28 posted on 05/29/2012 8:58:11 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: smokingfrog
Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

29 posted on 05/29/2012 9:00:34 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: yarddog

Those huge claymores weren’t likely as unwieldy as you might think. While a typical longsword was only about 2.5 to 3 lbs, a two-handed claymore was still probably under 5 lbs. the extra long grip made for wide spacing of the hands and so lots of good leverage. It was a surprisingly nimble blade, considering its size.

One of the great myths about swords in general is that they were heavy and cumbersome. They just weren’t. People had to fight with them, and they did so for many centuries. They had the weight and balance, and body mechanics kinda figured out. My largest longsword, an Albion Baron, is based on actual museum pieces and is absolutely typical of swords of that type and period. Not only is it not heavy, but it is
amazingly nimble and fast. It is big, but still only about three pounds and beautifully balanced just a couple inches out from the cross. I don’t pretend to be any good, but I can operate it far more surgically than I can work a framing hammer. :-)


30 posted on 05/29/2012 9:05:08 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Navy Patriot
SF policing is entirely political, and the command structure is politically beholden to the Marxists in charge.

The beat cops will lose their jobs over any action or report that differs from the dictate of the city leftist politicians, so they report what the mayor wants reported, the way he wants it reported.

Doesn't that make them guilty as well, since they serve as enforcers for the Marxists in charge?

31 posted on 05/29/2012 9:07:05 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ramius
This begs the value of learning some basic ringen techniques (hand to hand combat) unarmed against an armed opponent. At close quarters it is essential to have some idea how to take a knife or gun from somebody. If they have the advantage first, it’s the difference between surviving and dying.

Like these boys are playing around learning???...walk away... hahahaha

Click here for some self defense

32 posted on 05/29/2012 9:13:06 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: yarddog

>>I remember reading in “All Quiet on the Western Front” that the German soldiers in fierce hand to hand combat preferred their sharpened spades to bayonets.

MG Ray L. Smith, USMC, apparently got the nickname E-tool for some work he did against VC/NVA in Vietnam. I see from his Wiki page that his company is E-tool Enterprises. Heh!

He and Bing West wrote a great war correspondent book about the taking of Baghdad in 2003 called The March Up. Highly recommended.

http://www.amazon.com/The-March-Up-Baghdad-Division/dp/055380376X


33 posted on 05/29/2012 9:21:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ken H
Doesn't that make them guilty as well, since they serve as enforcers for the Marxists in charge?

Well, let us consider the case of Edwin Ramos, who murdered three producing taxpayers in SF because they had the temerity to be stuck in traffic ahead of Mr. Ramos.

Ramos was an illegal alien, serious gang banger twice convicted of violent felonies in juvenile court.

Marxist sanctuary city SF (by order of all SF sitting politicians) kept Ramos' convictions secret from ICE, supplied him with an apartment and a stipend (which he used to buy his gun), and ordered the cops to not turn him in to ICE on penalty of being fired. The cops complied, not one of 'em uttered a peep.

You decide.

Edwin Ramos

34 posted on 05/29/2012 9:34:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: yarddog
At short range the Spartans preferred a short stabbing spear

Actually, the Spartans (and other hoplites) used a 7 to 9 foot spear. While not nearly as long as the later Macedonian sarissa, this is certainly not short.

Their short range secondary weapon was a short sword, the xiphos, somewhat similar to the Roman gladius.

35 posted on 05/30/2012 2:07:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (,)
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To: Sherman Logan

To: smokingfrog
Beyond 50 yards I would prefer a rifle, from 5 to 50 it would be a shotgun. From 1 to 5 yards a pistol or revolver.

From zero to a yard, maybe a pistol again but I probably would be more afraid of a guy holding a short battle axe.....

Get yourself a Taraus “Judge”...410 shotgun at close range will certainly put a serious hurt on a perp.


36 posted on 05/30/2012 5:29:30 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanks for the info. You can learn a lot on FR. I was basing my guess on seeing a Greek, (which I should have realized was not necessarily a Spartan) soldier painted on a shield. Not sure where the image came from but I can picture it in my mind perfectly.

I did know the Spartans used their spears for stabbing which seemed to be in keeping with a shorter spear but I guess 7-9 feet is not really that short.


37 posted on 05/30/2012 10:29:20 AM PDT by yarddog
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