Posted on 05/29/2012 4:31:48 AM PDT by EBH
The US military Tuesday vehemently denied a media report that special forces had been parachuted into North Korea on intelligence-gathering missions, saying a source had been misquoted.
Current affairs magazine The Diplomat quoted Brigadier General Neil Tolley, commander of special forces in South Korea, as saying soldiers from the US and South Korea had been dropped across the border for "special reconnaissance" missions.
But Colonel Jonathan Withington, public affairs officer for US Forces Korea, said some reporting of the conference had taken Tolley "completely out of context".
"Quotes have been made up and attributed to him," he said, denying that any US or South Korean forces had parachuted into the North.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Admin. I have posted this for the update, but also linked this in the original post in breaking.
In fact, the link in the original article now points to this article and the orginal appears to have been pulled by the AFP.
I'm not sure if you will want to pull this thread, remove from breaking and place an update note on the original?
Thanks
HusseinCo don’t usually go out of their way to DENY something when they can so more easily politically SCOFF at something they don’t want to admit.
“That’s PREPOSTEROUS....” is how their denies usually go.
I find it would be treason for any commanding officer to let this infomation out! I believe it is true and it has/is happening, with little doubt imo, but to publicly confess it is beyond belief!
[Cue Meatloaf] ♫ Stop right there!
Perhaps the spokeperson for the general is right. The Diplomat? Anything foggy-bottom related is suspect on its face. For all we know the general actually said "What do you think we could do, parachute in US soldiers?" Maybe that editor from Miami ended up at The Diplomat and Trayvon-ed the quote?
After all, the whole original story didn't make a lick of sense. But most people assumed, me included, that the quote was accurate. I guess we forgot the current state of the media. (Of course, that is an assumption as well, but it makes much more sense that The Diplomat screwed it up rather than the general).
Sometimes they even forget denying and they go for a strawman’s argument or going into a fact relating to the argument that is obvious, insisting they are the experts in the domain.
THey are so narcissistic they don’t even see it.
Sounds like there will be a job opening at the 1 star general level very soon.
Look at NorKo at night from Google Earth. No lights ANYWHERE except for the Capital. Would be very easy for a team of Seals (or several) to do a HALO jump undetected. If this General is not busted and charged with treason then Zero authorized it.
“Sometimes they even forget denying and they go for a strawman’s argument”
They learned that from Snopes, or taught it to them.
Of Snopes’ several hundred articles A DAY in support of their messiah, most start out with what he’s actually done, and then they change a word or two of what he’s actually done, and then call it False.
Of the outragerous ones they cannot deny, they try to go for “Mostly true” or “Mixed” or “Mutiple”.
FU Mikkelsons! You stupid o-hole-kissing traitors!
I almost think anti-capture cyanide pills would be needed on a mission like that.
From the first time I watched a documentary on our SEALS, I was very grateful that we have men who can do what they do and have sacrificed so much. May God bless all active and former American and Allied special forces. He definitely has blessed us with you all.
Nothing new for this administration, where having information that makes you “im’potant” just HAS to be spilled to a journalist
If Obama would send US troops to North Korea, you can bet it was to HELP the North Koreans, not go against them. North Korea, Russia, the ChiComs, Iran, Chavez, Obama are all on the same “New World Order” page.
It should be specifically noted that it was a blog on a former magazine website where this story 'broke' and was picked up by AFP. The blog entry has since been flushed down the memory hole, and a 'clarification' has been posted, noting that it's quite possible that the general was misquoted.
More accurately, this false story will probably end a general's career, while the author goes on the Art Bell circuit to say how he's being suppressed for 'writing the truth.'
No way we are doing this. It would be Kim Jon Un’s(sp) dream to capture an American G.I.. Would be stupid to give him the opportunity.
"South Korea is bright, North Korea is dark. This amazing image is included in the standard US Department of Defense briefings on North Korea. It was mentioned in a news briefing on 23 December 2002 by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who stated that "If you look at a picture from the sky of the Korean Peninsula at night, South Korea is filled with lights and energy and vitality and a booming economy; North Korea is dark."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm
The two sides [Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Russia] agreed to "promote and enhance friendly relations" in line with the joint declaration of July 19, 2000 and the Russia-DPRK friendship and good neighborly cooperation treaty of February 9, 2000.
Putin and Kim agreed during their talks to promote a Russian- DPRK political dialogue on the Korean issue and international affairs, and discussed many topical international problems, deputy head of the Russian presidential administration Sergei Prikhodko told reporters following the talks.
The two leaders spoke for an independent and peaceful solution to the issue of reunification of the Korean Peninsula, and against "any outside obstacles to this process" as "unacceptable."
“We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.
Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama
Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko
"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEo4B1heuBvO6KK7EiBHKigO1UrA
April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/specialreport/news/419496_88/1/.html
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)
Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:
Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad
"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/
"In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.
“This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”
“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin."
http://fox8.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense/
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Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:
Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”
Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”
Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”
Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”
“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.
The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.
In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”
Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/
But I think if the general said this (and it was autorized) it is psy ops to spread sow distrust on the NK regime. There are already stories that 30 some members of their diplomatic teams have been killed in executions and "accidents". This might be a way to get Kim to pull a Stalin and do a high level purge of the military leadership.
North Korea upgrading missile launch site
North Korea has started work to upgrade its Musudan-ri missile launch site and potentially make the facility capable of firing an intercontinental ballistic missile.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9269360/North-Korea-upgrading-missile-launch-site.html
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"north korea" missiles:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22north+korea%22+missiles&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-amo
Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs
February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com
A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.
The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:
Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.
First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[not win it -etl]
Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.
I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.
I will not weaponize space.
I will slow our development of future combat systems.
And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.
Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert [they are NOT on "hair-trigger alert" now -etl], and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.
You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.
Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp
"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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"I will not weaponize space"
"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"
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2008 Pentagon Report (March 2008):
China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008
GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.
Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.
Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."
To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], see U.S. Dept of Defense:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
We can’t for a moment forget who and what we have in the White House today. Even if we were to assist the South Koreans vs the North, we must suspect that there’s some kind of ‘catch’.
We don’t parachute people into North Korea....we beam them in like in Star Trek. The only way to stop this is with an Anti-Beaming Weapon. If I was North Korea, I’d get working on that right away!
I agree unless this is some sort of misinformation campaign. Either way that type of misinformation campaign would be in the form of rumor or other non-military personnel not active duty brass. Something totally screwy is going on here.
US Special Ops commander: We’ve sent troops into North Korea
http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/28/us-special-ops-commander-weve-sent-troops-into-north-korea/
UPDATE: U.S. military officials told a Voice of America journalist in a statement that the quotes attributed to Gen. Tolley were fabricated.
“At no time have SOF [Special Operations] forces been sent to the north to conduct special reconnaissance,” said the United States Forces Korea.
U.S. Army Gen. Neil Tolley, commander of U.S. Special Operations Forces in South Korea, told an audience in Tampa that U.S. and South Korean forces have been sent into North Korea to spy on the communist country’s vast collection of underground tunnels and military installations.
Brigadier General trumps Colonel
Of course this is damage control, but who was in error? How, exactly, was the General misquoted? The article of the General’s assertion showed up last week. If he were in error, the denials would have come last week and he would be in the principal’s office [SecDef or some such].
When the original story hit FR, many surmised that the story of the incident was released to bolster Obama’s foreign policy credentials for the election. Whether true or not, on second thought, it showed to definitive problems:
1. If they did fly into NK, and the BGeneral admitted it, the US violated the sovereignty of another nation. The fall out from that could result in literal fall out.
2. If they did fly into NK, because of the above #1, they would not be admitting it to the world.
Is the BGeneral trying to sell a book?
This whole story smelled even last week. The Colonel’s denial doesn’t help.
Someone high up screwed up.
Was the screw up military or political?
Sadly, some clerk paper pusher(s) will be the ones sacrificed as being the culprit(s).
Hmmm . . . a graphic explanation of why Obama must go . . . the dark spot is our future if he stays. . . .
>Would be very easy for a team of Seals (or several) to do a HALO jump undetected.
Except for the fact that HALO is rarely done as it is in no way “easy.”
It is dangerous, takes a LOT of prep work and I consider it an absolutely last resort.
Infiltrating NK with Americans would be unbelievably stupid - on the order of total insanity.
The many risks and downsides would be enormous & the upside far too limited
Who would have believed a few years ago that we’d be conducting military exercises WITH Russia IN the United States?
No, the denials without derision, and repeated denials, and “taken out of context” all add up.
As one poster said, Hussein could easily be ASSISTING the NorKs.
Today something is up because they deny the fabricated quotes...
this gives way to great conspiracy diversions...
Well .. you know how these libs like to brag about the stuff they do - so they can take credit ..?? It makes me very suspicious.
What bothers me the most .. if it is true .. they have put our military people in the crosshairs and that really ticks me off.
I totally agree .. and the more I read the Vince Flynn and Brad Thor books, the more I realize how blessed a nation we are.
This past weekend I went down to see Three Dog Night on the flight deck of The Midway and met a few SEALs at the show. I’m an actor, and on Sunday morning I was invited to go inside the Navy SEALs training facility on Coronado Island. The SEAL who showed me around was from SEAL Team 3. The odd number SEAL Teams are on the West Coast and the even number SEAL Teams are on the East Coast.
I was in awe of these men. We watched a few video’s then walked around the courtyard (The Grinder). There’s a great sign that hangs on one of the walls above The Grinder that says “The only easy day was yesterday.” And since Sunday was their day off I got to go on the obstacle course and work at a few stations. Even though it was their day off the new guys who were trying to become SEALs were still working out on the obstacle course trying to perfect it. I had a blast. They make everything on the course so easy. Believe me it’s not.
I asked a few of the SEAL’s I talked to what they thought of Obama taking credit and giving away certain details of the missions and all they said was basically the same thing “I wish he would shut up.”
If anything, I would expect A-ZERO to help his comrades om North Korea infiltrate the U.S. To the extent there are operations going on to protect the U.S., I am certain they are being conducted AGAINST ORDERS from the usurper.
Perhaps. But, unless this is a suicide mission, how do you extract the troops once they completed their task? A parachute jump is a one-way path.
Any such action, if discovered - or even if admitted to - would be an act of war even if no shots were fired. NK is anxious to get a casus belli on their side. NK is currently (as usual) in bad shape, with drought reported. Kim-in-Charge may run out of his own people in a few years, so he may want to attack someone, anyone, just because otherwise he'd be all alone in North Korea, surrounded by dead bodies and ideas of Juche.
People posted night maps of NK. It is indeed dark. However this doesn't tell anything about the radars and other ways of watching the skies and the land. In fact, light on the ground is not helping you at all. Those HALO jumpers may be jumping right into a prison camp and they wouldn't know it. You cannot see a weak light, such as a kerosene lantern, from a weather satellite. Bright light spots on the ground are cities - places where megawatts of power are burned. Night lighting of a military base can be all under 100W. Infrared lighting of security zones, along with night vision goggles, is the way to go.
My personal opinion is that no jumps were done; if there are reconnaissance missions afoot, they are conducted in a smarter way. For example, $10 passed to a local man can do more than a platoon of US soldiers. Foreign soldiers would be very hard to mistake for North Koreans - at least because they are not fainting from hunger, let alone their language, skin color, and other differences.
Yes, if it were up to liberals and lefties the US would be as dark as North Korea in that satellite view. Only the limousine liberal areas would be brightly lit.
They’re hardly going to admit to doing something like that, are they?
Da !
Can you imagine how many sleepless nights every Nork over the rank of Spec-4 had over this!
My guess? Indig SK swimmers.
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