Bible-era earthquake reveals year of Jesus' crucifixion

Discovery News ^ | May 24, 2012 | Jennifer Viegas

[NYFreeper]

Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday April 3, 33 A.D.

The latest investigation, reported in the journal International Geology Review, focused on earthquake activity at the Dead Sea, located 13 miles from Jerusalem. The Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, mentions that an earthquake coincided with the crucifixion

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/24/bible-era-earthquake-reveals-year-jesus-crucifixion/?intcmp=features#ixzz1vwXerfrQ

[NYFreeper]

Very interesting. I believe Jesus started his 3 year ministry at age 30, so that would make Him 33 when he was crucified. So maybe the calendar makers got it right after all. Since there was no year 0, I suppose that He was born in the year 1 BC. Most so called "experts" don't have Him born in this year.

[Parley Baer]

“The Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, mentions that an earthquake coincided with the crucifixion”

I wonder if there was an “omen” associated with the earthquake and the crucifixion in those days?

[CdMGuy]

Interestingly, the same article has a hyperlink to an article that casts doubt on the Shroud of Turin. In my opinion, that story is slanted against the Shroud. It concludes that since the Shroud is not exactly the same style as another shroud found from the same time, that the Shroud of Turin is not true.

Also, a subsequent and far more thorough analysis of the Shroud, which the hyperlink failed to mention, concluded that the Shroud did date from the time of Jesus.

Lastly, the claim of the main story to be able to pinpoint an earthquake of 2,000 years ago to an exact Friday day and time is highly questionable.

[null and void]

Which brings me to one of my hobby horses:

We already agree that our calendar is wrong, off by anywhere from 2 to 16 years, depending on who’s doing the reckoning, and further in error because of the absence of a year zero.

The more fundamental point is that God did not intend us to mark His years by the birth of Jesus.

If He had intended this we would have a Biblical fixing of the date.

Further, the day of Jesus’ birth is unremarkable as all men are born.

However, very few return from the dead, that event is remarkable, and it is the defining moment of Christianity, the very moment of proof that his sacrifice was not in vain. And the Bible gives a precise reference for when this happened!

Clearly this was the date the calendar was supposed to start!

For extra points, this means our calendar off by 33 years. That makes this 1979 After Resurrection, giving us 22 years to get our affairs in order before the real end of the millennium...

[doc1019]

Sounds like the earth cried out when the Son of God died.

[LtKerst]

God seems to do things in “Threes”

All will be revealed...soon.

[fso301]

Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday April 3, 33 A.D

If that is the case, when did Jesus rise from the grave?

[stormhill]

A celebrated naturalist was once asked to evaluate the definition for "lobster" that a lexicographer had written: "A red fish that walks backwards."

He answered that it was only wrong on three points: It is not red, it is not a fish and it does not walk backwards.

This date for the crucifixion is only wrong on that Jesus was not crucified on a Friday, the third of April, nor on 33ad.

[NYFreeper]

Lastly, the claim of the main story to be able to pinpoint an earthquake of 2,000 years ago to an exact Friday day and time is highly questionable.

They weren't pinpointing the exact date of the earthquake, only the year. They then deduced the crucifixion date from the date of Passover for that year.

[katana]

The article states only that the Friday Passover date in 33 AD (I'm old fashioned and refuse to use Common Era or CE) of April 3 was the "best match" among possibilities.

I can vouch for the fact that during a tour of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher the guides will (or used to) let you feel down into the rock carved hole legend says held Jesus' cross. There is a noticeable crack in the rock at the base of the hole. Later they take you through a subterranean passage that leads beneath the huge boulder which forms the hill of Golgotha and point to a crack in the stone. Supposedly that crack runs through the boulder and bisects the aforementioned hole.

The guides explain that the earthquake that accompanied Christ's death split Golgotha in two.

[gonzo]

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[Redcitizen]

Would a solar eclipse be more verifiable as to the time of the crucifixion?

[NYFreeper]

On the third day, Sunday, April 5, 33 AD.

[NYFreeper]

On the third day, Sunday, April 5, 33 AD.

[combat_boots]

“1979”

Making 2012 the beginning of another.

[UCANSEE2]

If that is the case, when did Jesus rise from the grave?

Easter Sunday.

[ApplegateRanch]

Would a solar eclipse be more verifiable as to the time of the crucifixion?

Probably not, since eclipses don't cause a full 3 hours ...from the sixth hour until the ninth hour... of darkness.

[NYFreeper]

If it was a solar eclipse, then it would have been truly a miracle. Solar eclipses as we know them can only occur during a new moon. Passover occurs during a full moon.

[dangus]

Well, the next day was the Sabbath (Saturday), so they were unable to dress the body with ointments. Therefore, they came back on the next day. That would be Sunday, the third day.

[Ackackadack]

If that is the case, when did Jesus rise from the grave?

An interesting question indeed, because as Jesus tells us in Matthew 12:40:

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The conundrum is left as an exercise to the reader.

[hubel458]

He was crucified on the Wednesday of that week,the
start of their High Sabbath. Israel’s days ran from
evening to evening. 3 nights and 3 days are—

Wed evening to Thur evening, the 1st day,
Thur evening to Fri evening, the 2nd day
Fri evening to Sat evening, the 3rd day,

He arose from the tomb between Sat evening
and Early Sun Morning. During their first day
of their week. When the ladies
showed up wrap the body he was gone.
They couldn’t do it until then, due to the
High Sabbath days which ended Sat evening,
the start of their first day of the week..Ed

[HiTech RedNeck]

That sounds more like a weather condition to me — unusually heavy clouds, but no precipitation. I remember a Groundhog Day as a kid when it happened in local weather. There was no way the proverbial groundhog saw its shadow, and even the newspaper remarked on it the next day. A Man who stilled the storm could of course bring storm clouds without rain if He wanted.

Anyhow, now that we know of a temblor that took place during the calendar time window of interest, the next step would be to find some other record of when it struck. The Bible account is obvious, of course, but oughtn’t it have gotten notice in that day’s “mainstream media” so to speak? The Jewish calendar system was well established so through that it could be pinpointed with a date.

[GOP Poet]

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[bjorn14]

The way the Jews counted days was any part of it. So if Jesus died at 11:59p on Friday that counted as a whole day.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The most common reading is not the literalism a modern reader might think, but the inclusive reckoning of three day-night (or in Jewish methodology, night-day) periods. This was a common usage in Jewish religious observations. So the little bit of Friday and the little bit of Sunday in Christian tradition which passed between Jesus’ entombment to His miraculous resurrection was enough to make up three night-day periods.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The modern midnight system was not used then. It was sunset to sunset.

[bjorn14]

A.D. does not mean After Death it stands for the Latin “Anno Domini” which means “In the year of our Lord” so the minute Jesus was born we were in A.D.

[Tzfat]

The way the Jews counted days was any part of it. So if Jesus died at 11:59p on Friday that counted as a whole day.

Nonsense. Explain the meaning of the phrase "three days AND three nights" - the sign of Jonah does not fit the nonsensical accounting of days - and blaming it on a mythical "Jews counted days" answer is merely forcing a round peg into a square hole. We count (and have always counted) days as beginning at sunset, and parts of days fall into that category - not the Western calendar accounting. Also, we know that the first night of Passover is a Shabbat. We often have double Shabbats - and if a Yom Tov Shabbat falls on the fifth day of the week, you might as well have a triple Shabbat in regards to buying.

In years where Yom Tov Shabbats fall on the fifth day of the week, you will have great difficulty buying any thing from noon on the fourth day of the week, until after sunset on the seventh day of the week.

[fso301]

On the third day, Sunday, April 5, 33 AD.

If Matthew 27:45-50; Mark 15:33-37, and Luke 23:44-46), all say Jesus died in the 9th hour, meaning about three o’clock in the afternoon, how then could he have risen Sunday morning if he laid in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights per

Matthew 12:39-40: "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

How many nights are there between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning?

[null and void]

Making 2012 the beginning of another.

No, making 2012 AD 1979 AR (AR=After Resurrection/Redemption)

The next millennium (if one insists that a millennium is 2,000 years) starts 2001 AR which is 2034 AD.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***If that is the case, when did Jesus rise from the grave? ***

On the First of the Sabbaths, or SUNDAY.

When the Jews reckoned the days of the week they always used the day in it's relationship to the Sabbath.

Sunday was the first of the Sabbaths.
Monday was the second of the Sabbaths.
ect.

For example, one of the Pharisees said he “fasted twice in the Sabbaths”, a reference to their twice in a week fast.

And on the road to Emus, one of the men traveling with a disguised JESUS said, concerning the events of the past days, “Today is the third day”.

[null and void]

A.D. does not mean After Death it stands for the Latin “Anno Domini” which means “In the year of our Lord” so the minute Jesus was born we were in A.D.

Yes, exactly.

I'm saying the modern system is flawed at its very core.

There is NO Biblical authority for the time, day or even the year of His birth. If God thought it was important that we mark His birth, the Bible would provide enough information to determine it.

By contrast, we can precisely set the death on the cross and the dawn of resurrection.

THAT was when we were supposed to set the start of the Christian era. The very moment when Salvation became a global possibility, rather than limited to the few Jesus personally touched.

[fso301]

On the First of the Sabbaths, or SUNDAY.

I may have missed something in your explanation of the Jews counting days of the week in relationship to the Sabbath. So, I still fail to see how if Jesus rose on Sunday morning, one can count back three days, three nights and arrive at a Friday afternoon death?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I may have missed something in your explanation of the Jews counting days of the week in relationship to the Sabbath.***

Sunday= first of the Sabbaths.

Monday = second of the Sabbaths.

Tuesday= third day of the Sabbaths.

Wednesday= forth day of the Sabbaths.

Thursday= fifth day o the Sabbaths.

Friday = sixth day of the Sabbaths.

Saturday= SABBATH.

They did not have names for the days of the weeks but used the term 1st, 2nd, 3rd of the Sabbaths.

So, when you see the term first of the Sabbaths it means first day of the week.

Check any lexicon or Greek translation.

I had a big fight with a sabbatharian on FR last year about it.

And again, on the road to Emaus one of the men said "This is the third day..."

Now as they were traveling, it could not have been a SABBATH day, but the day after.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

As you can see from my post number 34 there can only be two dates for a weekend Crucifixion. AD 30 and AD 33.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Harmless Teddy Bear]

The next millennium (if one insists that a millennium is 2,000 years) starts 2001 AR which is 2034 AD.

A millennium is a thousand years. 2000 may be an era, an age or a epoch but a millennium is a thousand. From the Latin words mille meaning thousand and annus meaning years.

[null and void]

Exactly. So much for the Y2K hysteria, eh?

[null and void]

Re-reading post #30 I see your point, I didn’t say quite what I meant.

Good catch...

[Ackackadack]

To make a long story short, I agree with hubel458 and respectfully disagree with HiTech RedNeck.

Twist it all you want in an attempt to fit the traditions many of us grew up with, you cannot get three nights out of a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Yep. Oh there was a problem with the two number rather then four number year format in some computers but it was 80% hype even there.

"Oh the computer is going to think it is 1900 and planes weren't invented until after that so all the planes are going to crash!"

Really people? Computers don't think except in movies.

Yes I know about the chess playing computer but it is just calculating the move advantageous move from all the ones that have been programed into it. It is not actually thinking.

[HiTech RedNeck]

If such rather nonintuitive language wasn’t already used in Jewish religious tradition, I too would say nonsense.

But it is used. And that’s the culture in which Christianity and the early church had its start, and that’s why there’s no scandal about Good Friday being Good Friday and not Good Wednesday.

[null and void]

Yeah, we missed the second coming too...

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh good grief. “Think” is used of computers only figuratively. (The same could be said of “believe.”) Digital computers are designed and built to do things that are a lot like human reasoning, but with no attempt to imitate the larger capabilities of such reasoning. And even if such imitation were possible that would only be an imitation, and one that is under control of the operator. It would not have a soul.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh, and I did not grow up with Christianity. I came to it well into adulthood and asked a heck of a lot of questions in the process. Having been raised in a Jewish synagogue, I grokked more of the cultural background of Jesus than the average churchgoer does. Also, Alfred Edersheim's The Life And Times of Jesus the Messiah is a classic late 19th century work on the Jewish background of the Christian church. By a Jewish man who also came to Christianity as an adult, and having ready access to Jewish traditional works in their original language, it has no problem with Good Friday being Good Friday, not Good Wednesday.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

That is how Blockbuster counts their 3-day rental. Rent a movie at 10:00 pm and you’ve already had it one full day.

[captmar-vell]

I agree, it was on a Wednesday, ‘the midst of the week’ a pattern which repeats over an over, and will again

its my conjecture the ‘sign of Jonas’ Jesus gave to a ‘wicked and adulterous generation’ has far more meaning than just the three days and three nights in the tomb, it was that too, and I'm equally impressed if its only 1 day.

I believe Jesus(the Temple made flesh) was crucified on Wednesday April 9th, 32 AD and it was exactly 14,000 days later the physical Temple was destroyed on August 10-12th 70 AD (9th of AV)

Their (Israel's)house was left desolate. This was the meaning of what Jesus told the women crying as they marched him past them to the cross, “weep for yourselves, and for your children”

“For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?” Luke 23:31

there is far more going on with this timeline and the alignments of days than many are aware.

[Ackackadack]

Also, Alfred Edersheim's The Life And Times of Jesus the Messiah is a classic late 19th century work on the Jewish background of the Christian church.

Sounds interesting, and I will take a look at it. Thanks for mentioning it.