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Marines to offer early retirement, with benefits
Stars and Stripes ^ | Published: May 25, 2012 | By Matthew M. Burke

Posted on 05/25/2012 5:37:54 AM PDT by 11th_VA

SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan — The Marine Corps soon will offer early retirement with benefits to some troops as part of force-shaping efforts aimed at cutting 20,000 jobs from the rolls over the next four years, Corps officials said this week.

Under the plan, expected to start this fall, Marines and officers with 15-20 years of service will be offered early retirement with benefits. It’s part of a larger Marine initiative that includes voluntary early discharges and the convening of a selective early retirement board for lieutenant colonels and colonels already eligible for 20-year retirement benefits, who have stagnated in their grade.

Some of the administrative directives could be released as early as next month, Marine spokeswoman Maj. Shawn Haney said Friday in an interview with Stars and Stripes.

The Corps is looking to trim 5,000 troops in fiscal 2013, and drop from 202,000 to 182,100 Marines by the end of fiscal 2016 as part of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s plan to streamline the military following a decade of wars.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: marines; riffing; shawnhaney; usmc
Wow - this could empty out the top ranks ... IMHO
1 posted on 05/25/2012 5:37:57 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

There are more public sector state employees in little New Jersey then there are active duty US Marines. Something is really wrong.


2 posted on 05/25/2012 5:39:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 11th_VA

Funny how all liberals want to cut is the military. I don’t have a problem with cutting the military per se, but when that is ALL they want to cut, I wonder.


3 posted on 05/25/2012 5:43:19 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

Next time some unwashed loudmouth spouts off about Bain Capital, tell them Bain Capital didnt really cause anyone to lose their job- they were just helping companies do “force shaping”, like panetta and obama are helping the military


4 posted on 05/25/2012 5:46:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: central_va

“Something is really wrong.”
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Holy Sx!x!, Batman!

This is...whadda you people call it?.....hughe?

get the word out, quick!

Semper Watching!

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5 posted on 05/25/2012 5:47:02 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: 11th_VA
Move out the old boy network and bring in the new boys


6 posted on 05/25/2012 5:48:29 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: 11th_VA
Cut wasteful social - i.e. welfare - programs and leave the Marines - as well as the other branches - intact!

It's right in the Preamble to the Constitution: "provide for the common defense . . ."



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

7 posted on 05/25/2012 5:48:44 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: 11th_VA

“Wow - this could empty out the top ranks ... IMHO”

The manpower reductions program will certainly allow the administration to reshape the officer corps to reflect the new world order point of view. Politicization of the general staff and officer corps will be complete if Obama gets reelected.


8 posted on 05/25/2012 5:48:52 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: 11th_VA

“Wow - this could empty out the top ranks ... IMHO”

The manpower reductions program will certainly allow the administration to reshape the officer corps to reflect the new world order point of view. Politicization of the general staff and officer corps will be complete if Obama gets reelected.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 5:49:08 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: 11th_VA
"Wow - this could empty out the top ranks ... IMHO"

As a new lieutenant, I witnessed the early retirements and SERBs of the early 90's. Typically these are geared to weed out the middle ranks. The 15-20 year careerists they target will be majors and lieutenant colonels, as well as as some captains with enlisted time. This isn't so much about emptying the current upper ranks as it is about grooming the next generation.

10 posted on 05/25/2012 5:53:03 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 11th_VA

This isn’t the first time this has been done. I retired from the USAF at 15 years back in 1995. Back then, they were offering early retirement or 10s of thousands of $$$ to simply quit.


11 posted on 05/25/2012 5:54:27 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: 11th_VA

20,000 jobs destroyed by Obama.


12 posted on 05/25/2012 5:57:59 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: 11th_VA

The fewer...

the proud?


13 posted on 05/25/2012 6:02:52 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Joe 6-pack
grooming the next generation

I'm not military, so I'm talking out of my butt, here....

But it strikes me that in an organization like the Marines, a little turnover might not be a bad thing....

....Provided that it's not "politically motivated" and done properly.

I've no doubt about the latter. Marines always get things done right. The former, though, I'm not so sure about.

14 posted on 05/25/2012 7:07:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Living Free in NH

I remember the cutbacks of the 90’s. I don’t recall the Marine Corps offering 15 year outs in the 90’s. At 20 years, your retirement pension is 50% of your pay. What is the retirement pension for 15 years?


15 posted on 05/25/2012 7:12:55 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 11th_VA

Back in the day when I served ... early Vietnam era the Corps was 160,000 strong. That changed, of course, as the Vietnam war accelerated.


16 posted on 05/25/2012 7:25:10 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Subtract 2.5% per year earlier than 20 years. Just like adding 2.5% per year over 20 years up to max 75%.
17 posted on 05/25/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by a6intruder (downtown with big bombs, 24/7, rain or shine, day or night)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Subtract 2.5% per year earlier than 20 years. Just like adding 2.5% per year over 20 years up to max 75%.
18 posted on 05/25/2012 7:40:04 AM PDT by a6intruder (downtown with big bombs, 24/7, rain or shine, day or night)
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To: wbill
"But it strikes me that in an organization like the Marines, a little turnover might not be a bad thing...."

Two schools of thought on that. The US military has generally operated on a "move up, or move out" philosophy. IOW, those not showing potential to serve at the next highest grade (i.e. are "passed over" for promotion) get shown the door. In general it works well, but it does have its downside as well. Some officers will compete for command positions, not because they really want them, but because they need to "check the block," in regards to their career progression. Needless to say, in those cases, the soldiers under them are not necessearily as well led as they deserve to be. Another downside is that in many cases, an officer or NCO is placed in a position just long enough to display competence and really become proficient at their job, when they're moved out to give somebody else a chance. In some other militaries, you may have a company first sergeant or company commander in those positions for years and years (which also has its upside and downside as well).

It really is a double-edged sword...

19 posted on 05/25/2012 7:42:29 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 11th_VA

“Well, Bob, how are we going to decide who has to go?”

“I guess we could look at their records and see who was successful in combat.”

“Naww....takes too long. I’ve got a tee time at 3. We need a way to compare them with numbers....I know! Let’s decide based on their physical fitness test scores!”

“Ummmm....what proof do you have that high physical fitness scores equals good combat leadership?”

“Well, wouldn’t a good Soldier make sure he could run fast?”

“Not necessarily. We could end up just promoting cross country runners.”

“What harm could there be in that?”

“Not being able to win wars.....10 years in Afghanistan?”

“Oh, well let’s weigh them too. Everyone knows skinny guys are better fighters.”


20 posted on 05/25/2012 7:52:31 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

The military....afraid to give IQ tests to the officers, but more than ready to promote people based on how fast they run.


21 posted on 05/25/2012 7:53:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 11th_VA

“Wow - this could empty out the top ranks ... IMHO “

Of course, and with good reason.

Get rid of the “old thinkers” (old Euro men), and advance the “new thinkers” (younger, non-Euro, and even non-men!).


22 posted on 05/25/2012 7:55:40 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: 11th_VA

I doubt many will take it. You get 30 percent after 15 years. I would stay til 20 to get the full benefits.


23 posted on 05/25/2012 9:50:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator (VOTE FOR NEWT!!!!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I’m guessing 37.5%.

2.5%*5=12.5%

50-12.5=37.5

(2.5%/year is the amount used to calculate retirement pay)


24 posted on 05/25/2012 3:40:30 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: 11th_VA

Just my opinion, but this is all cover for the steep decline in enlistment since the military became the social experiment of a radical Leftist.


25 posted on 05/25/2012 4:12:46 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: silverleaf

LOL. I actually heard (liberal) people going on about rotten Romney tonight. Had to leave the room as it was insane - especially given the bizarre context of someone also mocking my dead father at the same time.


26 posted on 05/25/2012 7:24:54 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Joe 6-pack

I work with a Marine who has fairly significant issues with his back....those 100-pound backpacks probably didn’t help. He’d likely be the first to take up an offer like this.


27 posted on 05/26/2012 7:34:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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