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Posted on 05/23/2012 8:38:31 PM PDT by dila813

The news is that the Click it or Ticket stepped up enforcement is started on Monday.

Even if you are wearing your seatbelt, that isn't any protection against a ticket.

Police can now stop you for no other reason than they say you weren't wearing it. This is the ultimate revenue generator.

On Twitter, the propaganda is in full swing @NHTSAgov #ClickItorTicket


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To: HiTech RedNeck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_It_or_Ticket#Illegal_Checkpoints_.26_Enforcement

Illegal in these states:
4.1 Arizona
4.2 Colorado
4.3 Idaho
4.4 Indiana
4.5 Massachusetts
4.6 Missouri
4.7 Montana
4.8 Nebraska
4.9 New Hampshire
4.10 North Dakota
4.11 Ohio
4.12 South Dakota
4.13 Utah
4.14 Vermont
4.15 Virginia
4.16 West Virginia
4.17 Wyoming

Eg. MA:
The provisions of this section shall be enforced by law enforcement agencies only when an operator of a motor vehicle has been stopped for a violation of the motor vehicle laws or some other offense.

Mass. has better laws in this regard than Texas. For shame, Texas.


51 posted on 05/23/2012 9:49:49 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: dila813

see #51


52 posted on 05/23/2012 9:50:32 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: dila813

Seat belts kill. Any speed much over 45 or 50 mph and you hit something, you’re dead. Our bodies are 60-70% water. When you go from 50mph to zero in .007 seconds or less your body stops but your insides keep going. Much like dropping a glass of water. The glass stops when it hits the ground but the water sprays all over the place. That’s your insides. That’s what killed Princess Di. Her aorta popped loose from her heart from the sudden stop of the crash.


53 posted on 05/23/2012 9:51:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I tried to be polite, the judge even said that she believed the witnesses, but unfortunately she needed to rule against me because the presumption is the cop is telling the truth and isn’t mistaken.

When the judge said this to me, the cop was just smirking at me ear to ear.


54 posted on 05/23/2012 9:51:45 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

This sounds like material for an appellate court — wrong application of law.


55 posted on 05/23/2012 9:53:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813

And for that matter, possibly the court of public opinion. Newspapers periodically investigate such things. It can get judges non-retained.


56 posted on 05/23/2012 9:55:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: GOPsterinMA; mylife
That’s just stunning...especially since guns were involved.

Is it?

You get paid just as much to ticket grannie for a seat belt violation as you do busting your butt to track down someone you know has a whole bunch of shiny new guns they are itching to try out.

57 posted on 05/23/2012 9:57:25 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1219 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

sure, 450 dollars, take the day off to get a court date, then take another day off 2 months later to show up for my court date.


58 posted on 05/23/2012 9:57:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: null and void

Bingo.


59 posted on 05/23/2012 9:59:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dila813
I bet if we passed an initiative in every state that said all ticket revenue has to go to pay for people who walk on their emergency room bills, there would be zero enforcement of these laws.

The insurance companies would fight almost as hard as the municipalities against this.

60 posted on 05/23/2012 10:02:02 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: null and void

And, if you ticket enough geezers your dept can buy some new AR 15’s and an armored SWAT truck!


61 posted on 05/23/2012 10:03:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dila813

This is why I feel there ought to be citizens organizations to hold these petty courts accountable for their worst B.S., so it doesn’t rest upon one isolated victim’s sense of honor and personal resources.

But it still costs nothing to call some newspapers.


62 posted on 05/23/2012 10:04:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Weird thing, when I got ticketed in a 20mph zone in Texas I had all kinds of evil black fire arms openly laying out in the vehicle (I was on the way to the range)
They didn’t give a damn about that.
Some aspects of Texas beat some of the places on your list.


63 posted on 05/23/2012 10:08:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“Thank you for patronizing our speed trap, now have a nice day shooting.”

LOL


64 posted on 05/23/2012 10:10:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813
When the judge said this to me, the cop was just smirking at me ear to ear.

Personally, I'd be strongly in favor of a little vigilante action in such cases. There are all kinds of possibilities if one thinks creatively.

65 posted on 05/23/2012 10:11:19 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Exactly! LOL


66 posted on 05/23/2012 10:11:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: zeugma

As they say, revenge is best served cold. No sense trying to answer a bully in exact kind as though the contest were who could be the biggest bully, and sooner or later he (usually a he) will get his. Bad but credible publicity is like the drip drip drip of rain drops, which can even wear away stone.


67 posted on 05/23/2012 10:14:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: mylife

I got burglarized in 2007. They stole my pistol. I called the cops and waited out front. The cop pulled up screaming at me like I was coming out of the house with loot. I was standing on MY OWN front step waiting for them for crying out loud. What burglar would do that?


68 posted on 05/23/2012 10:15:17 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Bizarre.


69 posted on 05/23/2012 10:16:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Luke21

Bizarre.

I had one pull a gun on me in my driveway in a case of mistaken identity.

I had one beat me up for grins to impress a rookie.

I could go on.


70 posted on 05/23/2012 10:18:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Luke21

Sometimes the constabulary can be clueless dummoxes who have to be humored.


71 posted on 05/23/2012 10:19:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: cableguymn
I got one in the parking lot of a private establishment, my car was running, in it’s parking spot in park.

They have no jurisdiction on private property. You don't even need a license to drive on private property. Their [already thin] claim to have the jurisdiction to require you to have a license, register your vehicle, etc., hangs upon the idea that the roads are "theirs".

72 posted on 05/23/2012 10:22:12 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dila813

Yea!they were going at it in Connecticut this afternoon on a very busy street.No strobes on to warn drivers they were there.Putting themselves and the drivers of the vehicles in danger because they were walking in the roadway waving people over.

Fortunately for my wife and I we were already wearing our seatbelts.We do that as a routine.So we were not stopped.

I still hate what I think is harassment.Espechially when these same Police Officers should be out enforcing more important laws.


73 posted on 05/23/2012 10:24:38 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: mylife
And, if you ticket enough geezers your dept can buy some new AR 15’s and an armored SWAT truck!

Which are almost indispensable when you want to break into the wrong house and shoot somebody's grandma, not to mention every third dog you see.

74 posted on 05/23/2012 10:27:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Sadly, another appellate court issue, or at the very least reason to get an attorney or otherwise research the actual traffic statutes. Some traffic statutes apply to private property that is open to entry and exit by traffic on the public roads. Others don’t. Where I am here, there is a sign at the exit to a nearby post office parking lot urging people to buckle their seat belts. Maybe Federal property is an exception to state and local rule.


75 posted on 05/23/2012 10:27:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: Still Thinking

LOL!


76 posted on 05/23/2012 10:28:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They are supporting these safety campaigns

These guys are even running competitions to see who can get more of you http://www.floridalel.org/Apply-For-a-Challenge/2012-CIOT-Florida-and-National-Report/CIOT-Instructions


77 posted on 05/23/2012 10:28:47 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
The feds have tried to standardize the fines. I think it is 250+ dollars in every state.

Nah, I've got them a couple times here in AZ, it's like $80 depending on the jurisdiction. AND, it's not even a primary stop here!

78 posted on 05/23/2012 10:30:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

I don’t disparage them having these things so long as they don’t ask me to pay for it or prohibit me from the same.

I wanted to buy this..

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct732.aspx

LOL


79 posted on 05/23/2012 10:31:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Still Thinking

no, people have got tickets riding their lawn mowers drunk on their front lawns.

The reason is they say if they weren’t there you could potentially go onto the road.


80 posted on 05/23/2012 10:31:56 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

I see no newspaper involvement or invitation to newspapers here.


81 posted on 05/23/2012 10:32:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: puppypusher

I had my seat belt on, I had a gray shirt with a gray seat belt, yet he insisted he could tell I wasn’t wearing it from 200 feet away through a tinted window.


82 posted on 05/23/2012 10:33:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

And, it is not a contradiction to want a safety law and to want it to be applied with justice and truth.


83 posted on 05/23/2012 10:33:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: Still Thinking

my mistake, it is 115, but I can see that it was 30 in Florida in 2009


84 posted on 05/23/2012 10:37:02 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Perhaps the right legal approach would be to move of the court that this premise be tested with the self same officer, car, locale, and time of day, on the grounds of the disputing witnesses. This in principle creates an appellate issue.


85 posted on 05/23/2012 10:37:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: eXe
Sure, they run the propaganda here, but they cant do unannounced checkpoints and they CANT pull you over for just your seat belt :)

They run the ads here in AZ too, despite the fact that we don't have a primary law, and every year I have to re-convince Mrs. Thinking that no, they still can't pull you over just for no seat belt. I wonder if it would be possible to sue the TV stations or whomever is paying for the ad time for fraud, for saying something they know isn't true. Hmmm......

86 posted on 05/23/2012 10:37:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I tried that, I had photographs of me wearing the same clothes and of the same car.

Even tried to get them to go outside to see the car right outside the courthouse, and the judge refused.

They just don’t give a rip.


87 posted on 05/23/2012 10:41:43 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

You could nail them at appeals. They are banking that you do not want hard enough to try.


88 posted on 05/23/2012 10:45:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813

Maybe you ought to have tried, for the sake of the larger good. Consider the value of your own time that you are spending on FR. It it for self or country you care?


89 posted on 05/23/2012 10:47:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813

The third P.S. is that I think, in your emotion, that you might have come short of constructing a coldly logical case leading to a logical conclusion — and injecting things like calling the police liars rather than mistaken — and the judge jolly well knew it. That’s where attorneys often DO matter. Courts can pose tricky hoops, and some judges want to be helpful but others don’t.


90 posted on 05/23/2012 10:53:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813
The reason is they say if they weren’t there you could potentially go onto the road.

What the hell is this, Minority Report?? For the punishment to fit the "crime", it would be that you could "potentially" get a ticket if you "potentially" go into the road.

91 posted on 05/23/2012 11:00:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: cableguymn

“I got one that will be hard to top.”

I was cutting through the parking lot of Blockbuster in order to avoid a red light. A cop saw me do it, he stopped me, and asked me why I did it, I told him “I am late for work”. He issued me a ticket to appear in court.
I had a few weeks to think about it.
In court the the officer told the judge that I was cutting through a parking lot to avoid the red light.
I plead not guilty, and told the judge that I was only stopping to see what time Blockbuster closed that night. The police officer said “he told me that he was late for work”
I kinda chuckled, and told the judge “I told the officer that HE was MAKING me late for work”
It was thrown out of court, the cop didn’t look very amused.


92 posted on 05/23/2012 11:08:30 PM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: dila813
"Your honor, the gentleman, knowing the trught, has spoken otherwise. He has said the thing which is not (HT: Jonathan Swift)."
93 posted on 05/23/2012 11:41:25 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney sucks. Mutiny now, or something.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Yet somehow these legal bullies must be halted. There sooner or later are going to be citizen organizations that will wait for such unjust things to happen and then jump on them with all fours."

I have suggested this. Citizen Freedom fighters. Groups of citizens that patrol the streets and video and audio tape traffic stops, check points and other Law Enforcement activities. Also Freedom fighters can have cell phone apps or websites to keep the public informed of the location and nature of enforcement points.

We as citizens can begin to install hidden recording devices in our cars that can be activated any time we are stopped. I would have this data immediately transmitted offsite so that even if the car is impounded there is no way the data could be seized by law enforcement. It could even be transmitted directly to your lawyer.

It sounds crazy but the technology is there and it's not really cost prohibitive.

Make sure your community does NOT allow passage of any laws that prohibit the recording of law enforcement activities. After all if they are not doing anything wrong then they have nothing to worry about, right? !!

Bottom line: We must start fighting back.

94 posted on 05/23/2012 11:41:48 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: dila813
trught

Ack!

"truth".

95 posted on 05/23/2012 11:42:28 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney sucks. Mutiny now, or something.)
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To: dila813; HiTech RedNeck

sure, 450 dollars, take the day off to get a court date, then take another day off 2 months later to show up for my court date.


And then, when you show up, be told there’s been a postponement, and you’ll have to take another day off and come back next month, at which time you’ll be told...


96 posted on 05/24/2012 12:24:25 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

And to further the tales of woe, attorneys love such a system as it earns them more bucks just coming back and back...

But anyhow, if ordinary Joes do not put in an effort to stand up and be politically counted with respect to such affairs, by cracky they won’t be. You can build up cynicism till you’re blue in the face and it gets you nothing but headaches as these bad actors get to live in your mind without paying any rent for the privilege.


97 posted on 05/24/2012 12:42:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: dila813
These guys are even running competitions to see who can get more of you http://www.floridalel.org/Apply-For-a-Challenge/2012-CIOT-Florida-and-National-Report/CIOT-Instructions

You are exactly correct. On that disgusting web page from the Florida Department of Transport in conjunction with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there is literally a contest with points, one of the major scoring sections being how many tickets they can write:

Enforcement Activity Results

Agencies will enter the number of activities completed for the particular challenge period report. This section is worth up to 110 points

  •  Safety Belt Citations _______ Suspended Licenses _______
  • DUI Arrests _______ Uninsured Motorists _______
  • Felony Arrests _______ Speeding Citations _______
  • Child Safety Seat Citations _______ Reckless Driving _______
  • Recovered Stolen Vehicles _______ Drug Arrests _______
  • Fugitives Apprehended _______ Other Arrests _______

Agency’s Top Producer

Agencies will enter the name and rank of the “Top Producer” for the challenge period. Agencies will also enter the number of safety belt violations written by the top producer. This section is worth up to 25 points

Governor Scott should be ashamed. This is ridiculous, over-the-top behavior by the State of Florida. It's no surprise that the Kenyan Clown's goon squad in Washington delight in such bully-boy tactics, but it's a shame that one of the most Republican states in the nation — the governorship has been Republican since 1999, and currently the Republicans have a supermajority in the House and Senate — is willing to play along.

98 posted on 05/24/2012 1:13:10 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Nowadays, for saying that, your friend would get slammed to the ground, handcuffed and tasered..in that order. If the cops happened to be in that person`s house, they`d herd the family into the living room and make them watch as the cops pump multiple rounds into the family dog just for the intimidation effect.


99 posted on 05/24/2012 1:46:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: dila813

So the cop can say whatever he wants, even baldfaced lies, and the rest of society can’t even say “boo”?

“I noticed the subject not wearing his seatbelt. And I’m pretty sure he also killed Robert Kennedy, even though he’s only 31 years old. He’s just that good.”


100 posted on 05/24/2012 2:02:52 AM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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