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Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona (update on Posse w/Okubo)
SFGate ^ | May 22, 2012 | OSKAR GARCIA

Posted on 05/22/2012 10:28:04 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Arpaio said health officials in Hawaii refused to talk to his deputy and posse investigator on Monday, though an assistant attorney general came out to talk to the investigators.

"They won't have anything to do with us," Arpaio said.

Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Hawaii State Department of Health, said two men dressed in business suits from Arpaio's department sat down with deputies from the health department and attorney general's office in a conference room Monday.

The men identified themselves as being from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and provided their badges and business cards when asked, Okubo said.

"They said they were conducting an investigation," Okubo said.

Okubo said the Hawaii officials told the men they had to show why they needed the information as part of ordinary business — a response similar to that given to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett last week when he publicly pushed his request to verify Obama's birth.

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1 posted on 05/22/2012 10:28:09 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; melancholy; null and void; Brown Deer

More Okubo stonewalling of the Arpaio Posse...


2 posted on 05/22/2012 10:31:09 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

3 posted on 05/22/2012 10:39:38 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Arpaio said health officials in Hawaii refused to talk to his deputy and posse investigator on Monday, though an assistant attorney general came out to talk to the investigators.”

Gee, what a shock.


4 posted on 05/22/2012 10:43:06 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Seizethecarp
After wading through the doublespeak it seems that HI refused to verify until the request was reworded. after resubmitting HI says it gave the AZ SoS the verification HOWEVER the AZ SoS has not confirmed nor commented on what he was given. A comment is expected today.

What was given the AZ SoS is only verification according to HI. It MAY NOT resolve the issue.

5 posted on 05/22/2012 10:45:50 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Seizethecarp

6 posted on 05/22/2012 10:54:04 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: prisoner6
Well it could be 'verification' that HI is lying, now AZ knows for sure.

Perhaps, Bennett is stunned that there is a 'conspiracy'. It's gonna be a interesting Wednesday.

7 posted on 05/22/2012 10:57:25 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Seizethecarp

VERIFIED?? What the hell does that mean?


8 posted on 05/22/2012 11:00:06 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: ASA Vet

IMO, without a forensically verified BC for Barry positively identifying his parents and location of birth it is not possible for me to assert whether or not Barry is NBC.

Think about it. On which BC are you basing your claim that Barry is NOT NBC, regardless of which nuanced definition of NBC you chose to apply? Barry’s claims in his “composite” book, “Dreams” (written by Ayers) can’t be relied on, or at least I won’t rely on it. Just what are you relying on?


9 posted on 05/22/2012 11:05:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Crucial
Verified? Certainly not legally verified as in “admissible in federal court.”

I suppose that State AG’s will extend courtesy “verifications” to each other under the full faith and credit clause but I doubt they are enforceable...especially in HI’s 9th Circuit zone.

10 posted on 05/22/2012 11:08:56 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Maybe because its late and I am tired but honestly I could not understand what was verified and the article seemed to say “yes he was born here”, “not we wont tell you where he was or not”, “they have the info they wanted”, “they didn’t learn anything”.
I am so confused.


11 posted on 05/22/2012 11:19:00 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Seizethecarp
Hawaii Officials Explain Why You’ll Never See Obama’s Birth Certificate…

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/11/hawaii-officials-explain-why-you-ll-never-see-obama-s-birth-certificate#ixzz1vfg0W9nz

12 posted on 05/22/2012 11:21:02 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: Seizethecarp; SunkenCiv; raptor22

Meanwhile, an old, 2004 AP story via Wayback Machine...

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

[snip]

—AP

News Headlines | Home Page

Copyright © 2004 . The Standard Ltd


13 posted on 05/22/2012 11:26:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Seizethecarp

BARACK OBAMA: THE FIRST BIRTHER


14 posted on 05/22/2012 11:30:32 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: woofie

BARACK OBAMA: THE FIRST BIRTHER
(Birther since at least 1991)


15 posted on 05/22/2012 11:34:13 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Seizethecarp

OK. They got the Long-form Certificate. When do we get to see it? Huh? Huh? Huh?


16 posted on 05/22/2012 11:46:23 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Seizethecarp

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he could end all of this by having Kapiolani release the birth records....That is IF he was born there.
I do not trust ANYTHING that comes from the state.


17 posted on 05/22/2012 11:55:05 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Seizethecarp

I think Arizona wants HAWAII’S verification, which can amount to a letter from them stating ‘we verify Obama was born here’. Case closed no matter how corrupt the Hawaiian officials. Arpaio on the other hand is on a mission TO DO THE VERIFYING HIMSELF and not rely on Hawaii’s merely saying so. Knowing Hawaii, they are probably going to play ‘word game ping pong’ with Arizona without actually furnishing any proof of anything. Arpaio is looking for proof, not words from Hawaiian officials. We already know they are corrupt to the core.


18 posted on 05/23/2012 12:23:29 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Seizethecarp

When will you Birthers get it through your thick heads that Obozo produced a copy of his birth certificate years ago?

19 posted on 05/23/2012 1:14:18 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: jarofants

Soros stopped this and it is a set up and/ or diversion.


20 posted on 05/23/2012 1:46:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Seizethecarp
What is this "rewording" issue?

I'd like to see the two requests made by Bennett.

What wording was changed that allowed the HI officials to "comply" with the request?

21 posted on 05/23/2012 1:51:18 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: Seizethecarp
Why is this always so controversial?

For God's sake, it's a Birth Certificate request.

You want my BC, here it is - cost me $10 for three copies certified.

22 posted on 05/23/2012 1:55:11 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: ASA Vet

Thanks, ASA Vet. You said exactly the line I always fall back on. This is why the Birth Certificate DOESN’T MATTER (except if it can be proven that the documents were forged in an effort to defraud people). Frustrating as so many of us knew this was coming. Another attempt to tell people “Move along. nothing but conspiracies and crazy folks here”. It’s a shame too many will actually believe it’s all BS (just like they did in 2008).


23 posted on 05/23/2012 2:07:39 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Seizethecarp; All

This is nothing but a charade.

And I wouldn’t put it past that weasel Ken Bennett to have been a willing participant in this orchestrated kabuki dance in order to provide a fig leaf to the Kenyan fraud in the White House.

NOW all of the parties (Hawaii, Arizona, *and* the 0bama regime and their KoolAid drinking zombies) can wave this around and say “see? see? we TOLD you he was born in Hawaii!”

And you can be sure that a few self-delusional posters right here on FR will be among them.


24 posted on 05/23/2012 2:20:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: eCSMaster

Exactly. Either Bennett was eligible to receive verification of the facts of Obama’s birth as recorded on his birth certificate, or he was not. The way he “worded” the request would not change whether he was eligible or not. This sounds like a bunch of bullcrap, where HI agreed to “verify” only what they wanted or were comfortable “verifying” - NOT what the law says they need to verify.

We need to see exactly what transpired, and what HI gave AZ. If they gave just a generic verification that they have records for Obama, then that would be relying on either a 1960-64 birth index which has been altered to include legally non-valid records OR a database which has been altered to put Virginia Sunahara’s birth record under somebody else’s name (like the HDOH did before).

And no matter what they “verified”, their doing so contradicts previous disclosures that Obama’s BC was amended and/or late and has affidavits supporting what was claimed on the BC - because HI law says that late and/or amended BC’s are not probative; HI cannot vouch for the accuracy of anything on those BC’s. So if HI actually verified anything, it is grounds for Bennett (or any SOS) to audit ALL Obama’s birth/citizenship records, as strongly recommended in the report by the HHS inspector general, found at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf .


25 posted on 05/23/2012 2:25:52 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Seizethecarp
Here's what Bennett originally asked for:

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641
Time of birth: 7:24 p.m.
Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Age of father: 25
Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
Age of mother: 18
Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas
Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961
Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961
Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.


Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

And here's what he got:

Regarding the inquiry from the Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, requesting a verification of birth for President Obama from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, the matter has been resolved. We have received information from Secretary Bennett that satisfied our requirements, and have therefore provided his office with a verification of birth for President Obama.

Hawaii has basically just confirmed that Obama was born. I could have told Bennett that.
26 posted on 05/23/2012 3:07:00 AM PDT by SuzyQueIN
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To: ASA Vet; Seizethecarp
"Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN."

That's true, from a divided loyalty (MvH) standpoint only if BHO II really is his biological father. The fact remains that to this day, there has still been no definitive proof offered as to the true "Obama" origins.

One thing you can always count on with "Obama": The truth is not in him.

27 posted on 05/23/2012 3:32:46 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Crucial
They gave a “pinky swear”.
28 posted on 05/23/2012 3:41:01 AM PDT by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: eCSMaster

Probably similar wording that Pelosi signed when stating he “was qualified for Pres.” before the 08 elections. Remember that one?


29 posted on 05/23/2012 4:04:55 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: SuzyQueIN

Loved your comment #26.


30 posted on 05/23/2012 4:15:19 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: Seizethecarp

When I did background investigations, we used two terms for birth records: Verified as in I saw the original birth record. Cooberated as in from another record such as an employment record or school record. For certain investigations, only verified was accepted but that was for something as important as a top secret clearance for code access not something as trivial as being president of the US (sarcasm off now).


31 posted on 05/23/2012 4:24:31 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: sueQ
Don't know why I wasted my time trying to comment on this article at SFGate.Image and video hosting by TinyPic
32 posted on 05/23/2012 4:31:22 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: Seizethecarp

The SFGate.com story is mixing up two different stories. One from Arizona’s secretary of state regarding listing the Commie Marxist Mulsim Bastard on the ballot.

The other concerns the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse doing its own investigation.

There are separate activities and not necessarily related. The story seems to assume they are both the same thing.


33 posted on 05/23/2012 4:41:05 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Seizethecarp

Hawaii is a co-conspirator.


34 posted on 05/23/2012 5:04:32 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
Hawaii is a co-conspirator.

As are ALL members of the 110th Congress.

35 posted on 05/23/2012 5:28:24 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Based on his behavior, his loyalties are divided. Or, rather, they do not lie with the United States of America. That, alone, should be enough to disqualify him in the eyes of the voters if not in the judgment of the law, whether or not he is NBC


36 posted on 05/23/2012 5:35:07 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: ApplegateRanch; justiceseeker93

Thanks ApplegateRanch.


37 posted on 05/23/2012 5:58:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: butterdezillion
Either Bennett was eligible to receive verification of the facts of Obama’s birth as recorded on his birth certificate, or he was not. The way he “worded” the request would not change whether he was eligible or not.

That's incorrect. Josh Wisch said Monday that Bennett would need to provide legal authority showing his office is "a governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities."

Wisch told Bennett, specifically, what legal language to use to reword his request. Apparently, Bennett did that and received a confirmation.

38 posted on 05/23/2012 5:59:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Seizethecarp

BULLSH*T!!!!!

Arizona did not ask Hawaii to “VERIFY” anything.

Arizona asked Hawaii to “CERTIFY” Obama’s date, time and specific place of birth as well as the names of the birth parents as listed on the certificate of live birth and the name of the attending physician.

The difference between “verifying” and “certifying” is legal integrity and the attendant perjury penalties. NOBODY is certifying anything. That is quite telling.


39 posted on 05/23/2012 6:16:29 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: Seizethecarp

MArk my words. These are the same people who claim Israel or America’s birth are not legitimate.

Yeah, birther hypocrisy trash talk by liberals as usual.

Let me tell you something, if the AZ SOS changed his mind, what will the liberals say: Oh, he changed his mind cuz he wanted dollars to run for election and is corruptible or changeable? Or he changed his mind cuz he is a reasonable GOP man?

They cannot have it both ways. Either we are dealing with crookery and going along with it, or we are not.

Fact of the matter is, Democrates love slave labor and are well on their way to instate it and turn AMerica into Laogai camps.

Why do AMerican liberals think they are so special they will not get the Chinese treatment?

It’s just like in Africa, they have to have their “african leader” in power to be legit, and not some “pesky colonizer” from Europe, as it is insulting or dishonorable.

I tell you what, the colonizers are the f@gs who want us to believe that we should turn away from the good fruits of heterosexuality and eat their sh!t as they eat their sh!t, so that all is equal and politically correct in society.

This is horsecrap.


40 posted on 05/23/2012 6:21:26 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m out all day but GET THIS.....local “conservative” radio KFYI.com

startin at 7 am local time w/ Host Barry Young are havin a birther call in...not to help mind ya, noooooo to attack those crazy birthers

again...kfyi.com for those interested


41 posted on 05/23/2012 6:25:18 AM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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To: ASA Vet
"Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN."

You know this and I know this but the problem is we know what the definition of "IS" is.
We are now dealing with a bunch of revampers revamping our history and re-defining our language. Without a Conservative president to nominate conservative judges with a conservative House and Senate to support those nominations this country is screwed. I personally don't think we can survive four more years with either Romney or Obomba at the helm and Romney "IS" a natural born citizen according to the definition you and I learned.

Seriously... Our Joint Cheifs should have removed obomba from office on day one. At the very least our House of Representatives should have impeached him in the first week after taking office. The list of attacks against the US Constitution since this beast has taken office give grounds for impeachment like none other.

JMHO

42 posted on 05/23/2012 6:28:54 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney (aka - obomney)... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Does this mean that "the one" can pass E-Verify now?
43 posted on 05/23/2012 6:38:18 AM PDT by Musketeer
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To: ASA Vet

Indeed, the SOS is treated to the liberal communist “birther paranoiac” “they are all insane” “let us shoot them for their own health” clap trap.

What fantasy?

The only ones fantasizing are communist “self-sufficiencers” who they cannot keep seeing d!cks and every brain around them and keep being vested in some of the most obvious trash because of some true to form CAPITALISTOPHOBIA.

A liberal is willing to ask a rapist for help in helping remove a mere little lizard, and that is the mark of the phobic. They always get manipulated and empowered by this pseudo-salvation that makes them believe that they are not the only ones crazy and phobic. These people are like the joker, they laugh, they laugh and they laugh, and they never see themselves laughing in their own arse - or they accept it with derision. AHaHAHAH... retards.


44 posted on 05/23/2012 6:47:47 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Seizethecarp

Barry mentioned seeing his birth certificate among his papers once, it’s in his book. Isn’t the liar in chief’s word good enough for “you people”? < /sarc >


45 posted on 05/23/2012 7:02:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Seizethecarp
At this point we all know Obama is an illegal.. ..Lets just keep focused on the fact we will not have this Criminal voted back into office...Him and his criminal communist thugs in Washington will be gone..
47 posted on 05/23/2012 7:30:23 AM PDT by PLD (It is time the freeloaders leave the white house and go back to the hell hole where they came from..)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

The legal definition of “to verify”: “To make certain, to substantiate, or to confirm by formal oath, affirmation, or Affidavit.”

Or Affidavit. To confirm by formal affidavit or even only affirmation. So, this “verification” could be nothing more than Granny Madelyn signing under duress an affidavit that she knows he was born in Hawaii. This could be registered in Hawaii, but it doesn’t mean the registrar authenticated it, that any other supplementary documentation was submitted, or that the registrar accepted and certified it as true. The affidavit itself would “verify” that he was born there, but that doesn’t make it so. It’s only one piece of evidence and it may be all the evidence “on file” in Hawaii. Even so, carefully parsed, the spokesperson could tell Bennett and the media, as the HDOH once did, that somebody saw the “records that verify” that he was born in Hawaii. In other words, somebody went and looked at the affidavit (whether substantiated or not) and sure enuf! That affidavit verifies (in other words CLAIMS) that he was born there.

He hasn’t been hiding this stuff for all these years for nothing. Whatever is there, he doesn’t want anybody to SEE for themselves. Hawaii is in so deep now that they all have no choice but to continue to play games, stonewall, and pray they come out of this intact. History will show that they WILL NOT. Truth will out.


48 posted on 05/23/2012 7:59:09 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: advertising guy

I quit listening to Barry Young a long time ago. That guy is so far up John McCain’s butt he’s wearing a hemorrhoid necklace.


49 posted on 05/23/2012 8:05:49 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

ditto that.....and that witch who sponsers him makes me hurl too


50 posted on 05/23/2012 8:11:04 AM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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