Skip to comments.Arizona flooded by emails on Obama eligibility; 'It should be an honor to show their proof'
Posted on 05/22/2012 11:53:04 AM PDT by Red Steel
As Arizona officials contemplate whether or not Barack Obamas name will appear on a ballot this year, the state is being flooded with emails from concerned citizens urging the attorney general to make sure the president is constitutionally eligible to hold the office.
Secretary of State Ken Bennett is giving news media a glimpse of the more than 1,200 messages sent to his office since Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced March 1 probable cause exists that Obamas birth certificate released in 2011 is a forgery.
According to KTAR Radio in Phoenix, Brian Reilly of the Surprise Tea Party said he would support Bennett for governor if Bennett refused to put Obamas name on the Arizona ballot unless the president or the Democratic National Committee could give information that is satisfactory to the attorney general and Sheriff Arpaios Cold Case Posse that Obamas Hawaii birth certificate is authentic.
The station says legislative district 4 director Jim Keller sent Bennett a message suggesting he precludeObamas name from the ballot, saying Arpaios probe proves Obama does not meet the qualifications to be president.
KTAR withheld the names of private citizens who sent emails, but a sampling of their messages to Bennett include:
* The question of Obamas legitimacy to be president is too compelling. He waited too long to produce a birth certificate which adds to the questionable document. Please remove him from the presidential ballot.
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Thanks for posting this. Very enlightening. Those people haven’t changed a bit, have they, LF? And if they got a response to their request within a day they obviously made the request to the AZ SOS office, not anybody in HI. If it was up to the HI people, they’d have gotten what they asked for after about 2 years.
Even if Ken wouldn’t qualify under #2 in the verification section of HRS 338-18, he would qualify under #3.
Nagamine is trying to say that he doesn’t qualify under #2 because she looked in ARS and couldn’t find anything about the SOS compiling a list. Apparently she doesn’t think the ballot has a list on it. She needs to look at 16-502 (found at http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00502.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS )
where it says (emphasis mine):
“E. The LISTS of the candidates of the several parties shall be arranged with the names of the parties in descending order according to the votes cast for governor for that county in the most recent general election for the office of governor, commencing with the left-hand column.”
Bennett is absolutely correct to make the default setting that of Obama NOT being on the ballot. These people can stall forever, arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But they need to know the ballgame has changed. They are BEHIND in this game, and if they go into a stall, they’re just going to insure that THEY lose.
Prediction: Hawaii will not release any documents.
The statute does say that the HDOH shall not issue a verification until it is satisfied that the person qualifies.
But by the same token, AZ election law ARS 16-311 (found at http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00311.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS ) says that:
“D. All persons desiring to become a candidate shall file with the nomination paper provided for in subsection A an affidavit which shall be printed in a form prescribed by the secretary of state. The affidavit shall include facts sufficient to show that, other than the residency requirement provided in subsection A, the candidate will be qualified at the time of election to hold the office the person seeks.”
The SOS is the person who certifies the candidates to be on the ballot, so the SOS is the one who has to be convinced that the affidavit DOES include “facts sufficient” - and part of being “sufficient” is being accurate.
Everybody knows that Obama’s candidacy will be challenged after he officially files to be put on the general election ballot. The reason his eligibility to be on the ballot needs to be known BEFORE placing him on the ballot is because the 20 business days allowed to resolve any legal challenge would not be enough to audit the records as they need to be audited.
IOW, this is ABSOLUTELY about stalling so Obama can be on the ballot because the people challenging his eligibility ran out of time (while both Obama and the HDOH obfuscate).
I had said the other day that I hoped the HDOH gave Bennett the standard treatment so he would be really pissed off by the time they got done with him. It sure seems like my wish is being granted. lol
Yes, my same sentiments from the very beginning when I heard about SoS Bennett's pursuit of this.
Wanna bet they convince him to accept a verbal “verification” via the conference call?
Something else I just thought of. Being placed on the ballot is a commercial transaction. I looked at a bunch of the ARS, and there are laws governing financial transactions that deal with claims that are presented being able to be verified as accurate.
I really need to get back to work; this week has been so tough for me to get my work done because I have so much I want to keep track of and do on this issue, and the “news” on the radio tells me nothing. But maybe somebody who is good with legalities could think through if there’s anything actionable for Bennett from this angle. The link to the index for ARS is http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp
I’m sure hoping that Bennett has the balls to stick by what he said - no proofy, no balloty.
The best the ‘rats can hope for in that situation is that more states don’t follow suit when the proof is not forthcoming.
Thus the delay.
The POTUS of the USA won't show us who he is!!! As Americans we should all be blatantly appalled at this and find it unacceptable!!
Thank you AZ for showing some fortitude with this issue and demanding proof!
I had to show my daughter’s official, raised seal birth certificate to sign her up for little league softball a few months back!
I guess not so much is required to run for President.
The HHS inspector general’s report on birth certificate fraud (found at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf ) makes exactly that same contrast. It says that the degree of scrutiny should increase with the seriousness of the eligibility in question - since it is more critical that a person be eligible for a passport, for instance, than to play Little League.
That report recommends that states require more than just a birth certificate - even if it is a GENUINE birth certificate - to verify eligibility for services and positions. And when there are questions about the genuineness of a document used as evidence (such as a vague, light, indistinct, etc SEAL on a document) then ALL the vital records should be audited.
OK, now I really am going to work... (sigh)
So what’s Bennet’s e-Mail. We FReepers can give him hundreds of thousands of e-Mails.
Wow. Two months of stonewalling and then this slap in the face.
If I were Bennett I would fire an e-mail something like this:
From: Bennett, Ken
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:00 PM
To: Jill T. Nagamine
Dear Ms. Nagamine:
My office has no further interest in playing games. We are now establishing a drop dead date on having our request granted.
We realize that you have other matters which you say are very important. Fine. If no verification is received by May 25, 5:00pm PST, BHO will be left off of the Arizona ballot.
PS - Have a nice day!
What happened to all the trolls we used to have? Are even they too ashamed and embarrassed to shill for Obama this time? I remember how they used to positively revel in lecturing us that HI wasn’t allowed to say ‘boo’ when it came to Obama. Suddenly, the trolls are silent. I wonder why?
Bennett compared his inquest into journalists double-checking with other sources or patients seeking a second opinion from a different doctor and said that his request has not been made before by the birther movement.
"What is so sacred or untouchable about this question that you can't even ask the question," he said.
Bennett, the head of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's Arizona campaign, said he has looked into obtaining Romney's birth certificate from Michigan, but that he is not requesting the actual documents. Instead, Bennett is asking each state to validate the documents.
"I can ask for this little verification thing from Michigan, just like we did with Hawaii," said Bennett.
Bennett defended himself when accused of pandering to birthers and said the situation puts him in a tough spot either way, as people will think he is either going too far or not far enough.
Bennett expects the verification from Hawaii to come through by Wednesday or Thursday.
Bennett Backs Off Birther Threat, Apologizes To Arizona
Just read. Be back later....
“The next lawful step would be for the Sheriffs office to turn their findings over to the County Attorney for prosecution. Evidence would be brought on both sides and a judge should issue a decision.”
My big question is why has Sheriff Arpaio held back from turning over the evidence supporting the “probable cause” of forgery to the Maricopa County Attorney? Is he just waiting to develop even more charges, or more support the the existing charges, or perhaps he needs to work up more evidence to identify suspects to charged with committing the fraud? The impending referral to the County Attorney is hanging fire!
Yup, we'll get every excuse under the sun except an authentic BC. Nothing but lies.
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