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Congressmen Seek To Lift Propaganda Ban
BuzzFeed ^ | May 18, 2012 | Michael Hastings

Posted on 05/20/2012 10:40:55 AM PDT by thouworm

“I just don’t want to see something this significant – whatever the pros and cons – go through without anyone noticing,” “ says one source on the Hill, who is disturbed by the law. According to this source, the law would allow "U.S. propaganda intended to influence foreign audiences to be used on the domestic population."

The new law would give sweeping powers to the State Department and Pentagon to push television, radio, newspaper, and social media onto the U.S. public. “It removes the protection for Americans,” says a Pentagon official who is concerned about the law. “It removes oversight from the people who want to put out this information. There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; collusion; communism; crushfedgov; cw11; cwii; dnctalkingpoints; fairnessdoctrine; govtabuse; legalpropaganda; lping; mediabias; obamunism; pravda; pravdamedia; propaganda; rapeofliberty; tyranny; waronliberty
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To: Wurlitzer
I realize that would decimate the agency but IMO that is a good thing.

Decimation would not even put a dent in the problem.

41 posted on 05/20/2012 12:54:50 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: thouworm

I copied/pasted from M-W and thought that the whole copy would paste. It didn’t. It left out two words:

“Student Definition”.

Should have been paying attention. The point was that students get a different definition.

Also, as with many other words, that particular word has become “contaminated” and “twisted”. “Propaganda” at one point in time decades ago, was defined as, “news”, period.


42 posted on 05/20/2012 1:10:15 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: thouworm
the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government's misinformation campaigns.

My best guess ... someone forgot to tell someone is the best defense the main lame media has. Have U.S. Marshals been dispatched?

43 posted on 05/20/2012 1:11:15 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Wurlitzer
McCarthy knew what a snake’s nest the State Dept. was, he just underestimated the degree of infestation.

The non-Communists died off and were replaced by ...

44 posted on 05/20/2012 1:12:25 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: thouworm
From the article:
No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”

So the new law gives us new protections when the protections which were in the old law failed. Makes as much sense as anything else. Government protection or government protectionism?

45 posted on 05/20/2012 1:16:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: thouworm

We’re lucky the government doesn’t use propaganda on American audiences...


46 posted on 05/20/2012 1:19:19 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
“Student Definition”.

Should have been paying attention. The point was that students get a different definition.

Well...that certainly is interesting! Thank you for reply.

Can you provide a link because I still don't see it on the source I cited for Merriam-Webster. Is it a completely separate dictionary?

47 posted on 05/20/2012 1:20:08 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
U.S. citizens as on a hostile, foreign, population.

Suspected such, and there it is in writing. Congress loves U.S. citizens and have decided to protect us.

do I really need a sarcasm tag?

My apology ... should have combined the three comments into one comment.

48 posted on 05/20/2012 1:20:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: thouworm
The new law would give sweeping powers to the State Department and Pentagon

In other words, the new law would create additional sweeping powers for the Executive branch.

How can Congress grant powers to the Executive that exceed those provided for within the Constitution? I think this is overreach -it may be okay to treat foreigners this way but NOT citizens.

49 posted on 05/20/2012 1:28:36 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: thouworm

This makes it sound like it was illegal when SecState Clinton lied about Honduras.


50 posted on 05/20/2012 1:30:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: thouworm
Don't you find it fascinating that under a DEMOCRAT -- the supposed guardians of the citizens -- actual legislation is being introduced that would literally allow the government to LIE to the public? Doesn't it seem curious that we are constantly warned of the dangers of the "fascists" on the Right, but that THEY never proposed such a clearly unscrupulous bill?

So what exactly does Obama's "Hope and Change" mean? Hope for a socialist victory? Change from success? The fundamental alteration of the American political landscape? An even less credible government than the embarrassment we have now?

51 posted on 05/20/2012 1:32:20 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Makes one wonder if too many lies are being caught (by people looking for truth who are ordinary citizens) and now is the time to make lying legal before high crimes and misdemeanors mean high crimes and misdemeanors? Both parties would have had to have voted to pass this monstrosity. Congress by this amendment is saying those people looking for the truth are getting too close? Make it legal for us (congress, the media, the executive branch) to be illegal? Every arm and branch of government would become legally able to be illegal? A new chapter in America has begun.


52 posted on 05/20/2012 1:40:42 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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I assume this was introduced by the republicans.


53 posted on 05/20/2012 1:43:03 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: thouworm

first drones and now this...

How will it be different than NY Times, WashPost, AP, CBS, NBC,CBS, CNN, NPR, PBS etc??


54 posted on 05/20/2012 2:12:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vendome

Well, I don’t like the lack of red, white and blue patriotism. This is a ‘peace, love, dope’ crowd take on the US. Party, inhale, express your inner self stuff. The outdoorsy part’s OK, but I truly object to a couple of things. Romance should not equal homosexual. Gatherings shoud not look like a bunch of LSD addled children masquerading as adults. Our colors are red, white and blue, not red and yellow on white.


55 posted on 05/20/2012 2:43:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: TigersEye
This makes it sound like it was illegal when SecState Clinton lied about Honduras.

Good example! Is there a grandfather clause in the new amendment? lol/sarc

How would lies to the citizens be prosecuted before the amendment. Why is this needed now?

Why is this amendment only being publicized advertised (with spin) on the leftist websites (and on the sponsors' govt websites----"The bi-partisan amendment is sponsored by Rep. Mark Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State")?

56 posted on 05/20/2012 2:44:32 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: combat_boots

I see your point. I’ll admit I wasn’t watching the video intensely and missed the gay thing but I thought the video was folks but wouldn’t watch as Cash is just odd. might be a nice girl but something about her is just weird.


57 posted on 05/20/2012 2:48:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: SunkenCiv

mis-pinged. Meant to ping you to this article/thread.


58 posted on 05/20/2012 2:58:34 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
How would lies to the citizens be prosecuted before the amendment. Why is this needed now?

Talk about overwhelming the court system. We'd need to triple the size of it at least.

59 posted on 05/20/2012 2:59:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Our Govt. wants to remove the tiny bit of embarrassment they have to endure when we catch them lying to us. With this new law, lying to us will become a game amongst them in which those who tell the biggest whopper to the people will be rewarded among their own.....


60 posted on 05/20/2012 3:54:39 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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