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Will U.S. Sovereignty Be LOST At Sea? Obama Signs U.N. Treaty That Redistributes Drilling Revenues
Forbes ^ | may 20, 2012 | Forbes OpEd

Posted on 05/20/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by Innovative

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To: Innovative

Lugar had planned to lead the charge for LOST after his primary. The White House may figure that with him gone in January, they have to move while they still have his vote and still control the Senate.


141 posted on 05/20/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: AU72

“still needs 67 Senate votes.”

Yes, that is what the Constitution says. And with a Constitutional Scholar in the White House what could go wrong?

By the bye, used to be that a written contract was honored by FedGov...but look at the GM bailout, where contracts were simply ignored or overwritten.

I think usually the Senate ratifies the treaty and THEN the POTUS signs it.


142 posted on 05/20/2012 6:31:14 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Lazamataz

AAARRGGGGHHH No one would want to attack that. I hereby refuse to watch your back. I have to eat sometime.


143 posted on 05/20/2012 6:39:17 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Innovative
When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?

Oh, you mean Firefighter Willard Romney? The one who's secretly loading up the fire cannons with gasoline?

Yeah, I do have a personal dislike of that particular firefighter.

144 posted on 05/20/2012 6:43:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: All; CatDancer; Innovative
"When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?"

Actually, the analogy is flawed as Romney is a RINO. In other words, both he and Obama are arsonists -Obama just happens to be more of an arsonist than RINO Romney.

It is the House and hopefully the Senate together with the Supreme Court that are keeping the fire at bay and attempting to put the fire out.

True conservatives wonder how best to reform the RINO firehouse that keeps sending arsonists to our rescue.

The question is how best to reform the GOP firehouse RATHER than seeking a third party firehouse. Some would suggest that we keep the RINO away and let the RINO firehouse burn down -let it suffer the fate it promotes THEN rebuild it with real firefighters.

After McCain -I myself grow weary of pretending a slower burn is accomplishing anything...

Romney sucks and if he gets elected the best we can hope for is he will suck for 8 years before a dem gets back into the throne that Romney will not dismantle.

145 posted on 05/20/2012 6:51:22 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Innovative
Facts are facts..Bush worked towards getting LOST resurrected. Many republicans were alarmed.
The issue was resurrected recently in the U.S. Senate at President Bush’s urging even though critics making up a wide-ranging chorus have concluded it would grant the United Nations control of 70 percent of the planet under its oceans, and undermine U.S. sovereignty.
The plan recently was approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, on a 17-4 vote, and now must go before the full Senate.
Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., has called it, “U.N. on steroids,” and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has concluded it is “the dumbest thing we’ve ever done. It’s like taking our sovereignty and handing it over to some international tribunal. What’s wrong with us?”
The affirmation of Bush’s position came from White House spokeswoman Dana Perino, who responded to a question from Les Kinsolving, WND’s White House correspondent. He asked. “How does the president react to the fact that while he supports the Law of the Sea Treaty, all the leading Republican candidates for president now have announced they oppose it?”

http://www.wnd.com/2007/11/44583/

146 posted on 05/20/2012 6:59:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: DBeers; Windflier

Anyone like yourselves, who is trying to tell conservatives that there is no difference between Romney and Obama is either totally detached from reality and has not been following how Obama is destroying the US, or an Obama supporter trying to suppress the conservatives’ vote for Romney.

I think you are both most likely to be in the first category. I recommend you learn more about what Obama has done, is doing, and is planning to do, unconstrained in his second term, then crawl through broken glass, if necessary to keep Obama from getting a second term and the only way that happens, is if Romney gets more votes and defeats him.

Reality, anyone?


147 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:04 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I remember Pat Buchanan said during his campaign. If he wins, he will ask the U.N. to leave and he’d send U.S. marines to help’em pack.


148 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:41 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: katiedidit1

But Bush never signed it, did he?

Obama did.


149 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:53 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative
...He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

150 posted on 05/20/2012 7:10:10 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Innovative

Leon Panetta, the chief of the Gorbachev disarmament movement is behind it? Naw can’t be!


151 posted on 05/20/2012 7:23:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Innovative

“When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?”

Are you implying that Romney is a firefighter in that context?

At most, Romney is a clueless bystander who can call 911. More likely Romney is the guy that has his 2 of his Cadillacs blocking the fire hydrant.


152 posted on 05/20/2012 7:28:36 PM PDT by sagar
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To: WellyP

As I said, the class of Senators up for election in 2014 will be looking at what has happened to RINO’s this year and perhaps won’t feel so free to go along with lame duck Lugar in voting for LOST.


153 posted on 05/20/2012 7:31:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Innovative
Reality, anyone?

The reality is that the GOP is leaning increasing left. I am more concerned with winning the ideological war than with winning the 2012 presidential battle.

Peace in our time -my ass! You want to compromise principle and kick the can down the road and HOPE the GOP will fix itself -good luck with that.

154 posted on 05/20/2012 7:56:59 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
The reality is that the GOP is leaning increasing left.

The 2010 election? Reality, anyone? That wasn't expected AT ALL.
155 posted on 05/20/2012 8:16:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Innovative

Bush would have signed it and fought for it. The republicans raised hell and Demint was one of them.


156 posted on 05/20/2012 8:17:44 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Innovative; DBeers
Anyone like yourselves, who is trying to tell conservatives that there is no difference between Romney and Obama is either totally detached from reality and has not been following how Obama is destroying the US, or an Obama supporter trying to suppress the conservatives’ vote for Romney.

Anyone like yourself, who truly believes that there's some substantial difference between Obama and Romney, is simply deluding themselves, and NOT reviewing his uber liberal record. To wit:

Mitt Romney’s Dismal Record

"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.

* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.

* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.

* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.

"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.

In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."

[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]


Romney's "accomplishments".

1. Implemented/created Gay Marriage in MA

2. Supported and forced Gay Adoption in MA

3. Supported Abortion wholeheartedly

4. Raised taxes/fees over 300% while being Governor of MA

5. Implemented a state-level Cap and Trade system.

6. Supported Man-Made Global Warming

7. Supported the Brady Bill

8. Implemented a state level “Assault” Weapons Ban after the Federal AWB was allowed to expire.

9. Supported TARP

10. Supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens (Citizenship for those already here)

11. Supported McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty)

12. Implemented a socialized medicine in MA called RomneyCare complete with an Individual Mandate and $50 abortions.

13. Nominated 27 Democrats (out of 36 nominations) for judgeships in MA, many of them extreme left-wingers.

You don't have to tell me how bad Obama is. I'm acutely aware of that fact. The point that you and others of your mindset are missing, is that Romney is only slightly to Obama's right, and most of what constitutes that, is campaign rhetoric on his part. It's not borne out by the man's actual record, which reads more like any liberal Democrat's than a Republican's.

Prepare to have your soul crushed, if you're casting your lot with Romney in the belief that he'll actually roll back Obama's leftist agenda, or even turn the wheel. He'll do nothing of the kind, and in fact, will likely only tap the brakes slightly a couple of times to trick conservatives into thinking he's honestly doing what he was elected to do.

He's as much a globalist, elitist, Socialist, as Obama is, albeit from a different mold and manufacturing stamp. In truth, they work for the same masters, and are sworn to the same agenda.

The only real choice you have, is whether to support the puppet masters' destruction of America, or resist with everything you've got. There are no other real choices.

157 posted on 05/20/2012 8:29:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: aruanan
The 2010 election? Reality, anyone? That wasn't expected AT ALL.

Bravo -EXACTLY!

And who opposed the Tea Party -well both RINOs and Dems -in other words, the progressives.

...and like any revolution, both the RINOs and Libertarians have attempted to coerce it and ride its coat tails.

The facts are that the Tea Party is Conservative and with these patriots having to go at it alone it implies that there is something terribly wrong with the GOP. The GOP establishment has moved left BOTH morally and fiscally -BOTH because BOTH are tied at the hip -the same authority that premises limited government premises absolute and inalienable moral truth.

I myself am not fooled by the RINOs and the mass media who claim that the Tea Party is morally ambivalent -fiscal only. I call BS on that bit of propaganda. The Tea Party principles are premised upon the same principles this country was founded upon. IF the Tea Party was morally ambivalent THEN why did they not cross over to the Libertarian side of the house -answer me that any RINO reading this post?

158 posted on 05/20/2012 8:32:54 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Windflier

“resist with everything you’ve got”

Please explain to me how electing Obama for another four years can be considered “resisting with everything you’ve got”?!


159 posted on 05/20/2012 10:20:49 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: lonevoice

Impeach NOW.


160 posted on 05/20/2012 11:56:52 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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