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50+ Professors & Staff Resign From Christian University After Refusing to Sign Homosexuality Pledge
The Blaze ^ | May 16, 2012 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 05/17/2012 12:32:51 PM PDT by QT3.14

Last October, news broke that Shorter University, a Christian college in Rome, Georgia, had decided to ask its employees to sign a controversial pledge that affirms that they are not engaging in homosexuality, among other forbidden activities. Now, after scores of employees refused to sign the document, the college, which is affiliated with the Georgia Baptist Convention, has reportedly received a massive number of resignations

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To: Waryone

The way I read it, it would prohibit the use of alcohol in public places. Not sure what I missed.


51 posted on 05/17/2012 1:26:02 PM PDT by Bud Krieger (Another President , another idiot......)
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To: paudio; riverdawg; Lurking Libertarian
How about having sex before married? Is it part of the pledge too?

As far as I can see, no, it is not:

"3. I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality."

The school is asking employees to profess the principles of Biblical sexual morality, not pledge to be sinless in that regard. No Christian should have a problem with that.

On the other hand, the pledges indicates that the signer promises to not drink in public, presumably in accordance with the school's theology, and as examples for the student body. Strict but not unreasonable given the school's beliefs.

52 posted on 05/17/2012 1:27:09 PM PDT by Skulllspitter
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To: NELSON111
they are EVERYWHERE. I'm glad these 50 left. We are better for it.

Right, beer drinkers are everywhere, good riddance.........

53 posted on 05/17/2012 1:28:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: QT3.14

It is good to see the Southern Baptists maintain their standards.

For decades we have watched as the Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopals, and Lutherans watered down their standards to a point that anything goes. The result for these denominations has been major membership losses. These churches are 1/2 of what they were 50 years ago.

Meanwhile, the Southern Baptists have doubled in size over the past 50 years.

I support what this college has done!!!!!


54 posted on 05/17/2012 1:28:22 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: QT3.14

Michael Wilson, a tenured librarian who has worked at the school for 14 years, had originally planned to stay until retirement. Now, in light of the statement’s enforcement, he has handed in his resignation. Wilson, who is gay, naturally refused to sign the document, calling his choice “a matter of conscience.”
They need to send all the library PC's to the local LE to check for child porn or the next libriarian might be in for a surprise.
55 posted on 05/17/2012 1:28:36 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: Waryone

Or in a public place, which you neglected in your post.

Cannot go to an Italian restaurant and get a glass of red wine to go with your pasta.


56 posted on 05/17/2012 1:28:47 PM PDT by dmz
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To: trailhkr1
How about gluttony? Shouldn't that be grounds for dismissal?
57 posted on 05/17/2012 1:30:22 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: QT3.14

I read recently that employers have been asking employees for access to their Facebook page. Personally I won’t have a Facebook page because I do not put my life out there for all to see. Had a boss asked me for my Facebook page And had I had one, I would have told said boss to stick it or if I really needed the money I would have LIED and said I did not have one, right after I eliminated my name and other ID on it.

It is no one’s business what I do in my off time. Individual freedom being the heart of the US Constitution

Being a pragmatist and having to feed my family I might lie to keep a job
long enough to find another job. I feel a sense or responsibility to my employer to do a good job at the task I was hired for. After that all bets are off


58 posted on 05/17/2012 1:30:46 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: QT3.14

50 jobs open at a Christian university!!


59 posted on 05/17/2012 1:31:30 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: US Navy Vet
but I DID see a “Intercultural Services & Programs’ Section. ???!!!

My friends went to a college that called that "MISSIONS". Intercultural isn't always a bad thing, there, Vet. :)

60 posted on 05/17/2012 1:32:56 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lurk
They’re identifying one particular sin group. But then, what about gossips, liars, thieves, people with critical attitudes? Those are sins too, and just as damaging.

The difference is there is no massive cultural push to make theft (for example) acceptable.


61 posted on 05/17/2012 1:33:11 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Waryone

“The pledge I read does not prohibit a beer with dinner ...”

It does if the dinner is in a public place, like a restaurant.


62 posted on 05/17/2012 1:33:53 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Verginius Rufus

So true!


63 posted on 05/17/2012 1:34:21 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Responsibility2nd
Hah!
 
It looks like it's now safe to go back in the Library........
 
 
Michael Wilson, Gay Librarian, Rejects Shorter University Christian ...
Huffington Post - 1 day ago
Michael Wilson, an openly gay librarian at Shorter University, signed the university's amended contract after crossing out the "lifestyle ...


Librarian quits over school's 'lifestyle statement'
New York Daily News - 3 days ago
Shorter University requires its employees to sign a highly ... stated that Michael Wilson had resigned from his post at Shorter University.

 

more....


64 posted on 05/17/2012 1:34:48 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: QT3.14

They are so brave that they waited eight months (end of the school year) to actually resign.


65 posted on 05/17/2012 1:35:52 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: QT3.14

Admittedly I didn’t read the article, but while on its face this action seems pretty cool, if you are a solid Christian who simply resents being bullied on the job about something you do not do in the first place there’s a problem.

Why doesn’t the college have a simple morals clause that new hires have to sign off on to be hired, one that addresses the college’s behavior Christian requirements?

This in your face signature stuff, after the fact, is quite an invasion of privacy good people resent.


66 posted on 05/17/2012 1:36:11 PM PDT by RitaOK (ABR & ABO Few are unafraid, but I thank God for the few. We are the resistance.)
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To: QT3.14

They can all get jobs at LGBTU.


67 posted on 05/17/2012 1:36:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The longer you hold tiger by the tail, the hungrier he gets.)
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To: dmz
Where in the Bible is alcohol use forbidden?

It's a theological point of view; surely you've heard about Baptists and other denominations who either don't believe in drinking or strongly discourage it?

It's not a view I hold but it's not polite to mock it and not really the place to debate the theology.

68 posted on 05/17/2012 1:37:02 PM PDT by Skulllspitter
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To: PA BOOKENDS

“When was the last time you marches and parades and demonstrations in support of gossips, liars, thieves, people with critical attitudes?”

Actually, if anyone has it, just post the picture of Pelosi walking around with her sinful entourage and gavel. That’s EXACTLY the picture that came to mind the second I read your post.


69 posted on 05/17/2012 1:37:13 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Waryone
The pledge I read does not prohibit a beer with dinner unless there was a University function you were required to attend within 6 hours of drinking that beer or you were inviting students over to have dinner with you.

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Apparently you did not read the whole thing.

4. I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol.

70 posted on 05/17/2012 1:37:13 PM PDT by dmz
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To: SamuraiScot

“and depriving the workman of his just wages”

...In other words, an Income tax.


71 posted on 05/17/2012 1:39:10 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Hot Tabasco; All
I don't think this is a requirement for Christianity...it is a requirement for that university's employees. Nothing wrong with a university making a set of rules its administration thinks is appropriate.

I think the "public" thing is done to keep "a brother from falling" as St. Paul said in Corinthians.

Let's think about something a second: all Christians are sinners saved by grace.

There are Christians who are sinners in every respect:

liars, cheaters, drunkards, thiefs, prostitutes, homosexuals, murderers, you name it....NONE of us are perfect....but we repent and follow Him and turn from our wicked ways.

What a wonderful God we have!

72 posted on 05/17/2012 1:41:20 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Vaquero

“It is no one’s business what I do in my off time.”

There are scores of court cases that suggest you are incorrect. There is no blanket Constitutional protection for an employee’s activities “off the clock” to which an employer objects, especially in “employment-at-will” states.


73 posted on 05/17/2012 1:41:47 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Waryone
The pledge I read does not prohibit a beer with dinner

Here, this is taken directly from Paragraph #4 which I posted previously:

"I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities)"

I hope that makes it clearer now......As far as I know, beer is still considered an alcoholic beverage, is it not?

74 posted on 05/17/2012 1:43:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: KarlInOhio
I think the story is a bit deceiving. I bet the people who didn't sign were less worried about homosexuality and more worried about things like “no premarital sex” and “no alcohol in public” stuff. This is perfectly within their right to do it. If people want to drink, drug and engage in libertine sex, then don't work there.
75 posted on 05/17/2012 1:43:55 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: QT3.14
it's a great example of the tyranny of the minority ... let 'em walk

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76 posted on 05/17/2012 1:45:02 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Nothing wrong with a university making a set of rules its administration thinks is appropriate.”

There is nothing illegal about such rules, as long as they don’t violate a Constitutional right. Of course, not everything that is “legal” is “right” from an HR perspective.


77 posted on 05/17/2012 1:45:34 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Skulllspitter; NELSON111

It’s not a view I hold but it’s not polite to mock it and not really the place to debate the theology.

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I disagree. The poster to whom I responded (pinging NELSON!!!) suggested that they were being held to Biblical standards. NELSON111’s words “They basically asked their staff to adhere to the Bible”.

Had the poster suggested that it was the Baptist’s rules I would not have commented. But that was not the claim made.

And you’ll have to let me know where I mocked the Baptist theology. It is not mocking anybody to note the specifics of Jesus’ first miracle.


78 posted on 05/17/2012 1:49:32 PM PDT by dmz
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To: SoFloFreeper
Nothing wrong with a university making a set of rules its administration thinks is appropriate

Of course not but the issue according to the The Blaze is the homosexuality clause.

Which as I stated previously, was a red herring when it was likely the employees disagreed with and couldn't comply with the fourth paragraph........

The blaze was negligent in their reporting in order to promote the article......that's all I'm saying

79 posted on 05/17/2012 1:51:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: lurk
They’re identifying one particular sin group. But then, what about gossips, liars, thieves, people with critical attitudes? Those are sins too, and just as damaging.

I would assume that thieves and liars are dealt with appropriately already. Gossips and critical attitudes are probably also dealt with through progressive discipline.

80 posted on 05/17/2012 1:56:23 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: QT3.14

When in Rome... Or should it be ... When not in Rome?


81 posted on 05/17/2012 2:01:27 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Guarantee that many Freepers would have problems with this pledge.

1. I will be loyal to the mission of Shorter University as a Christ-centered institution affiliated with the Georgia Baptist Convention. - I have no idea what that means. However, it could include not dancing on Sunday, among other things.

2. I will not engage in the use, sale, possession, or production of illegal drugs. - I would have no problems with that, but I would expect that some Freepers might.

3. I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality - Again I would have no problems. However what it means is that the only sexual activity is sex with your wife in the missionary position without protection. (or any other birth control)

4. I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol. - I don’t drink so it would be no problem, but a lot of Freepers are hard drinking types.


82 posted on 05/17/2012 2:06:12 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: paudio

Yes, and a lot of other stuff as well.


83 posted on 05/17/2012 2:08:06 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: QT3.14

at least they know who are traitors


84 posted on 05/17/2012 2:08:55 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: QT3.14

Now they can hire faculty that actually uphold their values.

Maybe the Catholics will like this idea.


85 posted on 05/17/2012 2:10:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: paudio

“How about having sex before married? Is it part of the pledge too?”

yep


86 posted on 05/17/2012 2:10:58 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Skulllspitter

What do you think that “premarital sex” meanss?


87 posted on 05/17/2012 2:12:21 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Skulllspitter

The title misrepresents what the pledge is actually asking them to do. They are not signing a pledge that says they are not homosexual. They are pledging that they reject as acceptable any sexual activity that is not Biblical. Specifically listed are premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality. And the pledge is qualified by saying “including but not limited to” these three. So presumably they might also consider masturbation or some other sexual practice as being required to be rejected.

And homosexuality isn’t even the first thing that is listed. The top of the list is premarital sex—because most people are heterosexual so that is the more widely practiced perversion of Biblical teaching.


88 posted on 05/17/2012 2:13:35 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: NELSON111
"They basically asked their staff to adhere to the Bible."

Well, kinda... (while they absolutely should have the right to require it for their employees,) the alcohol use provisions are certainly extra-Biblical. But that's the Baptist culture, particularly in the deep South.

89 posted on 05/17/2012 2:14:01 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

This is a Baptist thang.

I believe the Bible itself does not go that far. This would include Jesus after He came back from one of his tavern ministries. No I don’t buy the Baptist “fresh grape juice” explanation of what Jesus ingested at such meetings. That would be a specialty item for the weeks of the grape harvest. Beyond that, nyet. No refrigeration or pasteurization existed. You would not find bottles of Welch’s in Palestine.


90 posted on 05/17/2012 2:14:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The biggest lie ever is “everyone does it”


91 posted on 05/17/2012 2:15:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: lurk

They did not go after one sin. The media just focuses on one.


92 posted on 05/17/2012 2:16:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: QT3.14
This reminds me of one of those funny Olan Mills photos


93 posted on 05/17/2012 2:17:07 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: GeronL
The biggest lie ever is “everyone does it”

And the biggest fool ever is the one who denies it.....

94 posted on 05/17/2012 2:24:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: NELSON111
They basically asked their staff to adhere to the Bible.

They insist that their staff adhere to their interpretation of the Bible.

I, and others on this forum may disagree with their interpretation of the Bible as regards, for example, alcoholic beverages.

That's beside the point. They're following the Bible as best they see fit, and I applaud them for doing it.

95 posted on 05/17/2012 2:28:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Right: c.f. Luke 7:33-34:

33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.

34 The Son of man [Jesus] is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

The NIV and ESV versions translate that word as 'drunkard' - in other words, Jesus was accused of being a drunk because he hung out with those who did... never mind that wine was practically the only beverage available (that wasn't the point of the passage, by the way, but it makes the point for this thread: Jesus drank the stuff, too!)

So that's the only provision I would personally object to - that they purport to holding a Biblical line on behavior, but are so wrong about this particular provision.

96 posted on 05/17/2012 2:28:55 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: SandRat

Gotcha.

Good point.


97 posted on 05/17/2012 2:30:18 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: dmz
I Tim. 5.23: St. Paul encourages Timothy to drink wine.

As far as I recall, the Bible doesn't say anything for or against about beer, whisky, vodka, tequila, rum, gin, or ouzo.

98 posted on 05/17/2012 2:30:32 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: dmz

Drunkenness is condemned in the Bible. The policy doesn’t require them to refrain from taking alcohol in moderation on their own time, on their own property. It requires them not to drink with students or in public places. Seems like a reasonable balance for a Baptist university.


99 posted on 05/17/2012 2:36:23 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: prairiebreeze

marker


100 posted on 05/17/2012 2:41:09 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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