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Obama calls pastors to explain gay marriage support... (title truncated)
news.yahoo.com ^ | 5/14/12 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 05/14/2012 10:47:04 AM PDT by Justaham

Original title: Obama calls pastors to explain gay marriage support; black churches ‘conflicted’ by president’s decision
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After making his historic remarks on same-sex unions last week, President Barack Obama led a conference call with black church pastors to explain his support for gay marriage, the New York Times reports. The call, which was held with "eight or so African-American ministers," occurred about two hours after the president's interview with ABC's Robin Roberts.

Obama explained to them that he struggled with the decision, pastors on the call told the paper, but several voiced their disapproval.

"They were wrestling with their ability to get over his theological position," the Rev. Delman Coates, a Maryland pastor who was on the call, told the Times.

The conference call was part of a quiet effort by the president to control potential political damage caused by his support of same-sex marriage.

According to the Times, Obama phoned "at least one [the Rev. Joel C. Hunter] of the five spiritual leaders he calls regularly for religious guidance, and his aides contacted other religious figures who have been supportive in the past."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; africanamericans; bhogay; bhohomosexualagenda; blackchurch; christians; corruption; democrats; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; nobama2012; obama; obamatruthfile; pastors

1 posted on 05/14/2012 10:47:10 AM PDT by Justaham
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To: Justaham

2 posted on 05/14/2012 10:49:03 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Justaham
The choice is clear:
God's will and commandments or Obama/far left/homosexual will and "commandment."

Duh, biggest no-brainer in the world.

3 posted on 05/14/2012 10:51:17 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dead

Bwahahahaha!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!


4 posted on 05/14/2012 10:51:31 AM PDT by Justaham
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To: dead

I have seen some DISGUSTING things....but THIS tops everything, even Hillary Clinton’s butt.


5 posted on 05/14/2012 10:52:44 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Justaham

He called a few white pastors individually and put the black pastors in the back of the bus with a conference call. I wonder if that will get any play?


6 posted on 05/14/2012 10:54:27 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Justaham

he probably did the wind and nod thing saying he just said it to get moneyfrom homosexuals.


7 posted on 05/14/2012 10:55:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Justaham
President Barack Obama led a conference call with black church pastors to explain his support for gay marriage, the New York Times reports.

So much for the fictional BS about "everybody's president," and the Great Uniter...

8 posted on 05/14/2012 10:56:00 AM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Justaham
black churches ‘conflicted’

Why are Black churches "conflicted"? This would seem to suggest that for some the color of one's skin trumps the Word of the Almighty God.

9 posted on 05/14/2012 10:58:09 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Retribution)
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To: Justaham

In case some are afraid to come out and say it, I will. These liberal black Churches gave up Christianity some years ago.

Why are some of these black Pastors now feigning outrage over gay marriage? They didn`t give a HOOT about 60 million plus aborted children, why would they give a HOOT about gay marriage???

They knew that a vote for a Democrat was a vote for a liberal Supreme Court, which means a vote for gay marriage,abortion and all the trimmings.

Now we will see them as they really are as they line up to vote Democrat regardless of their so called outrage over gay marriage.

A vote for any Democrat is like spitting on Christ.


10 posted on 05/14/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Justaham

Barry, you can’t get the unnatural butt sex smell off. You are Satan’s minion.


11 posted on 05/14/2012 11:01:01 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Justaham

It’s a classic political twist, most famously played by Bill Clinton.

Find a “sin” your base will tolerate, that’s titillating and divisive to steal headlines and call the bombers out, to divert attention from an extremely dangerous yet boring topic.

Bill Clinton sold our countries secrets to China for campaign contributions, and it should have been deadly. But who could stop talking about Monica?

Now Obama MUST keep people’s minds off the economy, which is, let’s face it, nowhere near as fascinating as smutty magazine covers. The MSM is MUCH more coordinated with the Dems than people dream - I have NO DOUBT these bomb throwing covers are planned to keep people away from discussing the economy.


12 posted on 05/14/2012 11:03:25 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Justaham

Heck, the black churches don’t seem to care about heterosexual marriage, so why are they going to care about homosexual marriage??


13 posted on 05/14/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org)
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To: Justaham
This is from the be careful what you ask for department ...

(Rev.) Burns told his church members Sunday, he is so heavily opposed to same-sex marriage he will no longer support the President for reelection and predicted that Obama will lose in November because of his position.

14 posted on 05/14/2012 11:12:49 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: dead

Thanks, I needed that! LMAO


15 posted on 05/14/2012 11:17:33 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Spirit of Liberty

I just read several articles from so called outraged black pastors...LOL

These folks have zero credibility, once you support/celebrate abortion with your Democrat vote, you might just as well eat drink and be merry, because I cant see how they enter the Kingdom of God..

Jesus said if anybody harms one of these little ones.....you get the picture

Voting Democrat is celebrating abortion! And pro life Democrats??? The term is a oxymoron


16 posted on 05/14/2012 11:20:28 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
They didn`t give a HOOT about 60 million plus aborted children,

... almost half of which were black.

17 posted on 05/14/2012 11:26:09 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Friendofgeorge

Obama’s views on gay marriage get mixed reaction among local African-Americans
http://www.fox19.com/story/18365910/obamas-comments-on-gay-marriage-get-mixed-reaction-from-black-community
Bishop Nerrick Jackson says the President’s motives are political. “It really doesn’t surprise me from a political standpoint. As a pastor, of course, the bible’s pretty clear on its disposition as to what the definition of marriage is. So while I don’t endorse his position I continue to endorse him as a president because of his leadership and his policy.”

And because he’s black...


18 posted on 05/14/2012 11:29:42 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Black pastors oppose gay marriage but support Obama
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-black-pastors-obama-gay-marriage-20120513,0,7805625.story
“I believe the vast majority of African Americans will support the president,” said Rev. Randolph Bracy Jr., senior pastor of New Covenant Baptist Church of Orlando. “When all is said and done, African Americans will not abandon the president for Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.”


19 posted on 05/14/2012 11:32:56 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Justaham

“They were wrestling with their ability to get over his theological position,”

Nothing to wrestle about. Obama is wrong and if they would look past the fact that he is black and that is the only reason why they supported him to begin with, they would tell him he is on the wrong side of the Bible on this one. Obama is the only one who should be wrestling with his newly found position on this theological issue.


20 posted on 05/14/2012 11:39:19 AM PDT by texaschick
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To: Justaham

And yet no one in the media (incuding conservative media) is going to point out the fact that it is the party of the KKK (democrat party) that is seeking to redefine civil rights? So I guess the plan of the KKK here is to diminish the power a person’s race or gender has in regards to rights by elevating the power of a person’s sexual behavior. It amazes me that they can pull off such a diabolical plan.

“Your black? Who cares! You just insulted a homosexual and you will be punished!!!”


21 posted on 05/14/2012 11:39:36 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: dead

Before I saw your name I said to myself, I bet dead made that one. And I was right! Hahaha another classic!


22 posted on 05/14/2012 11:43:49 AM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Justaham
I was under the impression that Matthew 19:4-5, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?" was completely clear. What part does Obama pretend not to understand?
23 posted on 05/14/2012 11:45:39 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Ping to #2. (make sure you’re not drinking anything first)


24 posted on 05/14/2012 11:53:21 AM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Justaham
“Obama calls pastors to explain gay marriage support; black churches ‘conflicted’ by president’s decision”

OBAMA - “Look guys, I'll have a lot more room to maneuver after the election.”

25 posted on 05/14/2012 11:54:34 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Servant of the Cross

Ping to #2. (make sure you’re not drinking anything first)


26 posted on 05/14/2012 11:56:38 AM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Justaham

It was the cocaine


27 posted on 05/14/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Justaham

Ann Barnhardt is a hard-core Catholic and she never has anything good to say about our dear reader. I’m not completely up-to-date on posting rules so this post may not make it in its’ entirety. If so, go to http://barnhardt.biz/ and read her entry for May 11. This is what she had to say about this particular issue:

He who fears God cannot be coerced by the state.
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - May 11, AD 2012 5:54 PM MST
I keep an eye on where my essays are reposted and “syndicated” on the interwebs. I have always received a lot of positive feedback from atheists and agnostics (more on that this weekend), but I am seeing a marked uptick in the number of rough-and-ready men reposting my stuff, and making the explicit connection between the personal morality and integrity of this (or any) population and the viability of that population’s government and civilization. I see more and more guys realizing that at the end of the day, if there isn’t a deep-seated intrinsic morality and a fear of getting crossways with what many of them refer to as “the Natural Law”, then there is no amount of government (either too much or too little) or any economic theory (either interventionist or laissez-faire) that can keep that society from its own inevitable death spiral.
Building on that idea, I want to explain why exactly it is that the Marxist-homosexualist infiltrators of the Church have had as one of their top-tier objectives the emasculation and castration of Jesus Christ – specifically the minimizing and outright denial of Christ’s nature as the Judge of mankind.

Starting with the easiest target first, Superfun Rockband church™. To call a group of people who worship themselves and their capacity for self-reverential “entertainment” “Christian” is becoming increasingly difficult when the objective evidence points to these suburban blights as being neo-paganism in every regard. Where is the altar? There isn’t one. Where is there a Cross? There are no crosses. When is any reference made to Christ’s sacrifice in propitiation and perfect atonement for the sins of the world, including the sins of the latte-sipping dolts sitting in their reclining, triple-cushioned theater-style seats? Where are there any references to personal sin? Where are there any references to objective Truth? There are none – there is only “your truth and my truth”, “How I FEEEEL”, and then BRING ON THE ROCK BAND!

The notion of Christ as the Fearsome Judge of Man is as foreign to these people as the concepts of reverence, solemnity and humility before God. The Enemy notched Superfun Rockband church™ on his “victory” column years and years ago. Satan’s only objective now is to get Superfun Rockband church™ to grow and suck in as many poor sinners as possible – but the paradigmatic damage is already fully accomplished.

Next up is the infiltrated, and likely soon-to-schism Catholic Church. Soon-to-schism? Yep. Very much like the Anglican schism under Henry VIII in England 500 years ago, it appears likely that the Catholic Church in the United States will schism from the See of Peter in Rome and will become a client of the regime in Washington, complete with “gay marriage”, female priests, ratified contraception and abortion and every other form of evil imaginable celebrated under the banner of “tolerance” and “inclusiveness”. The Roman Catholic Church remaining in the U.S. will then be forced underground by means of property confiscation, civil rights litigation, and finally criminal litigation. Before this is over, Roman Catholics (as opposed to the new “American catholics”) will be openly killed ON THIS CONTINENT. There’s a name for that. It’s called GENOCIDE, and it is coming. Mark my words.

The Marxist-homosexualist infiltration of the Church has already set the stage for this schism, and the brain-dead Catholics are primed for it. Priests have all but abandoned the Sacrament of Confession, or Pennance. In the last two months alone, I have had to personally correct TWO priests, one in person and one in writing, who expressly denied that the Sacrament of Confession was in any way necessary and thus could be totally dismissed. The scary part is that both of these priests would be considered “conservative” in the spectrum of the post-Vatican II Novus Ordo (Mass in English facing the people) wing of the Church. The point of this is, like Superfun Rockband church™, everything is being done to convince people that the only sin is “intolerance” and that Jesus is an effete, passive mascot who only wants to “slobber us with kisses.” You know, kind of like your pet dog who you had neutered last year. That’s how these demons want you to regard the Sovereign King of the Universe, Our Creator, Our Savior and Our Judge – as a stupid, ball-less dog who will “slobber you with kisses” if you just deign to pat Him on the head every now and then.

Now for the punchline in all of this. Why does this matter? Why are Marxsits and homosexualists so massively invested in obscuring and denying the role of Christ as the Fearsome Judge of Mankind?

Because the Marxists and homosexualists want you to fear NOT GOD, but fear ONLY THE STATE.

A man who fears God CANNOT BE COERCED BY THE STATE.

Thus, Fear of the Lord has GOT TO GO.

Let’s get pragmatic, folks. You know that this government is no longer in any way legitimate. You know that Obama is himself illegitimate and that the Constitution has been completely overthrown and discarded. You know that the regime in Washington is evil and is now MANDATING that you participate in, cooperate with, and SUBSIDIZE pure abject evil, not the least of which is the slaughter of unwanted children. You know this. And yet, I am probably the only person you know that has publically declared a tax strike. Why? Well, for you bloggers, look at your comment threads whenever you post anything I write. “That chick is nuts. The IRS is going to put her in prison, or the DHS is going to pay her a “visit” one of these days, and they’ll find her dead in her bathtub. I don’t think she knows what she is getting herself into.”

The fact of the matter is that I possess the far superior clarity of thought. Why? Because I FEAR GOD.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is prudence. Proverbs 9:10
I fear His Judgement. I fear the moment of having to look into His eyes as He hangs skinned and crucified before me, because of me, and experience the full force of the pain that I have caused Him by my BETRAYAL of Him. It just so happens that now, in this time, submission to the evil state, borne from a greater fear of the state than of God, is a BETRAYAL OF CHRIST.

If Christ has been reduced to a slobbering, castrated pet dog, and not the Just Judge of Sinners, then the ONLY thing that people will fear will be the state. There won’t even be a tension in the minds of the people. People will do anything that the state tells them to do not only because they fear the wrath of the IRS or other government arm, but also because they have been convinced that they can betray God without limit, and like a stupid, abused dog, Jesus will “slobber them with kisses” while they make the CONSCIOUS, CONSIDERED DECISION to beat the shit out of Him and nail Him to the Cross at the explicit command of the state. They will do this because they fear exclusively the wrath of the state and not the Pierced, Burning, Sacred Heart of Jesus. Ask any Christian you know today if they are willing to declare and enjoin a tax strike against the government, and you will see that the state is feared completely, and that Fear of the Lord has been utterly purged from the ranks of the Church Militant.

An army that completely fears its enemy, and has no fear or respect for its own supreme commander or his orders will be defeated. Swiftly.

The only thing that the people of the United States, from the “devout” Christian (including the vast, vast majority of priests and bishops) to the neo-pagan Superfun Rockband church™ denizen to the atheist, fear is the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. If the state says, “pay for abortions, or else”, the people will do it, and to hell with the stupid, slobbering, impotent Jesus. If the state says, “Sodomy is normal and good, and you will celebrate it, or else”, the people will do it and to hell with the stupid, slobbering, impotent Jesus. I can beat the shit out of Jesus, and He will never do anything but “slobber me with kisses.” I don’t even have to say “sorry.” Father said so in his homily last Sunday. He even put it in the bulletin.

Unless and until this highly disordered condition is corrected and Fear of the Lord reclaims supremacy in the hearts of men, there is NO HOPE for this nation. None.


28 posted on 05/14/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Friendofgeorge

They have put skin color above character.


29 posted on 05/14/2012 11:57:59 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Justaham

It’s all about the Benjamins. He’d take it back if the churches would cough up more money than the homos.


30 posted on 05/14/2012 12:03:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Justaham

Obama calls pastors to promise kickbacks and goodies from his stash.

There, fixed it.


31 posted on 05/14/2012 12:12:34 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Deb
Hollyweird ping.


32 posted on 05/14/2012 12:21:39 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Justaham

I’ll bet Rev. Wright is fine with it.


33 posted on 05/14/2012 12:31:16 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Is anyone gonna ask Obama if he called any Muslim clerics? Isn’t Islam sorta against anything even remotely festive, much less gay.


34 posted on 05/14/2012 12:36:45 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: kalee

Just ask Colin Powell.


35 posted on 05/14/2012 12:38:15 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: cloudmountain

36 posted on 05/14/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: dead

“...get over his theological position...”

He doesn’t have a theological position, he has a re-election position, that and a Vice President that can’t keep his mouth shut.


37 posted on 05/14/2012 1:05:52 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33

If I didn’t know any better, I would think that Biden is a Republican plant.


38 posted on 05/14/2012 1:08:41 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Justaham

I wish Free Republic commentors would be a little less juvenile and more serious about this subject.

No one has a the power, much less a right, to do what they cannot do.

Marriage has been attached to male female relationships since time began.

According to everyone in favor of it that I hear defending it, the rationale for it is that “people should be able to marry whom they love”

In some cultures, whom one loves has nothing to do with marriage. It has to do with establishing family ties and/or with begetting children. It also has to do with respecting and ennobling each sex with the intimate interaction of the other in a way that homosexual relationships just can’t do.

The physical, psychological, hormonal, brain structure complementarity (or differences that help the other to grow in their specific human nature) just isn’t there in the same sex relationship.

There are reasons that homosexual acts have been condemned to a greater or lesser extent historically.

Does not mean that we have to hate homosexuals or deny them equal rights. Prohibitions against marriage do not deny any homosexual their basic or equal rights. Any or all of them can marry a person of the opposite sex, just like a heterosexual. Any of them can confer health care power of attorney on anyone they wish, so they can visit them in the hospital. They can will their property to anyone they wish. They can live with anyone they wish. The law can be changed to allow people to confer social security benefits to a person who has supported them through thick and thin as spouses in traditional marriage receive.

What they cannot do, is participate in an institution which requires different genes, different “parts” etc.


39 posted on 05/14/2012 1:29:51 PM PDT by amihow
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To: tumblindice
AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
40 posted on 05/15/2012 10:25:34 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: amihow
I agree with you 100%.

On EWTN the theology roundtable (Scott Hahn was there.) was talking about just HOW far away from Christianity/Judaism Islam is.

Granted they abhor homosexuality but they espouse the tenets of Mohammad, who says he got them from God, that is, the four wives, not from God, but really from Mohammad.

The CORE difference between the faiths is the view of God.

God is Our Father who created us in His image and likeness and we are HIS children. Jesus was His Beloved Son and we are beloved children, depending on our behavior. God Our Father send His Only Begotten Son so we might be reconciled to Our Father.

In Islam, Allah is NOT "our father" and we are NOT "His children." The relationship is ALMIGHTY and His slaves. The VERY common Muslim name is Abdullah, or "slave of Allah." The entire relationship is not one of fatherly love and the desire for closeness and for OUR doing well to be close to God.
Scholars believe that this master/slave relationship, without that driving LOVE of God Our Father, is what drives the "jihad" mentality, the killing of infidels and so on.

Just some thoughts.

41 posted on 05/15/2012 10:34:45 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Good post. I’m convinced that the “angel” who visited Mohammed was Satan.


42 posted on 05/15/2012 10:46:00 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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