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Bush Solicitor General Ted Olson Hails Obama Gay Marriage Shift
The Daily Beast ^ | May 9 2012 | John Avlon

Posted on 05/10/2012 12:38:27 PM PDT by torchy

..."I am gratified that the president has thrown his personal support and the authority of the presidency behind the goal of justice, equality, and decency for all citizens," said Ted Olson, founder of the Federalist Society and former Bush administration solicitor general..

I called Olson on Wednesday to get the conservative legal leader's take on the North Carolina gay-marriage ban at the ballot and the way it sets up a Supreme Court showdown, possibly as early as 2013--no matter who is president.

Olson has stern words for his fellow conservatives who flooded the polls on Tuesday, making North Carolina the 30th state to enshrine a ban on gay marriage in its state constitution.

"It is very sad to me that people who belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln are resisting so strenuously the equality and decency and integrity and treatment of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters," Olson said. "This seems to be one of the last major civil-rights battles of our country. And for people in our country to come out in numbers like this and say, ‘Well, we don't want the persons next door--who are decent, God-fearing, taxpaying, obeying-the-law citizens who simply want to have happiness like the rest of us'--to say ‘No, I have that right and you can't have it.' That just seems mean to me."..

This is a profile-in-courage moment for President Obama, but it comes with considerable political risks. The decision recalls a moment of White House history that came to light in the fourth volume of Robert Caro's LBJ biography. When cautioned by advisers that advancing civil rights might be moral but would not be politically pragmatic in 1964, the new president leaned back in his chair and said, "Well, what the hell's the presidency for?"...

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: avlon; civilliberty; civilrights; homosexualagenda; law; legalscholarship; nolabels; olson; rino; tedolson; torched; zot; zotworthy
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A conservative legal scholar's take.
1 posted on 05/10/2012 12:38:30 PM PDT by torchy
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To: torchy

And lawyers wonder why they’re universally despised in this country...


2 posted on 05/10/2012 12:40:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: torchy

What the heck happened to Olsen?


3 posted on 05/10/2012 12:42:23 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: torchy

Barbara Olson is rolling over in her grave


4 posted on 05/10/2012 12:42:47 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: torchy

THIS is what “happened” to Ted:
On October 21, 2006 Olson married Lady Booth, a tax attorney and native of Kentucky.[8]

[edit] PoliticsOlson was present at the first meeting of the Federalist Society.[9] He has served on the board of directors of American Spectator magazine.[10] Olson was a prominent critic of Bill Clinton’s presidency, and he helped prepare the attorneys of Paula Jones prior to their Supreme Court appearance.[2] Olson’s wife, Lady, has described herself as a lifelong registered Democrat.[11] She has contributed to the campaigns of Barack Obama and Rudy Giuliani. Olson served Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign as judicial committee chairman.[9]

Olson believes there is a constitutional right for same-sex marriage.[12]


5 posted on 05/10/2012 12:42:50 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: torchy

conservative legal scholar’

....Olson hasn’t been conservative in a long time... pure NWO and is probably gay himself. Yes, I know he remarried, but then look at 0baMao... He’s been on the wrong side of most issues since ‘01. Worked to undo the will of the voters in CA helping overturn Prop 8...

ymmv


6 posted on 05/10/2012 12:44:48 PM PDT by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: torchy

Ted is enlightened. I have a suspicion that he will be a bit less enlightened with polygamy but he will eventually come around. Of course his enlightenment turns to condescending bitchiness when it comes to those who hold that marriage is a man/woman thing but that’s the norm among the enlightened.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 12:45:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: torchy

Wow. Ted really lost it after losing BKO. :-(


8 posted on 05/10/2012 12:45:33 PM PDT by RMDupree (I'm not really here.)
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To: torchy

Wonderful Barbara Olsen must be turning over in her grave.

I never could figure out what she saw in this jerk.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 12:45:34 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: torchy

Kinda old news....from Dec. 2010;

“Ted Olson, Gay Marriage’s Unlikely Legal Warrior”

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/06/131792296/ted-olson-gay-marriage-s-unlikely-legal-warrior


10 posted on 05/10/2012 12:46:02 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

“fellow conservatives” implies that he’s conservative.

Guess not!


11 posted on 05/10/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by King Hawk
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To: torchy

There are certainly plenty of conservatives who are not churched, not Christian, or nominally Christian based upon their particular strain of the facts and on the facts. ;)

That the state of marriage was ever considered a sacrament by not only the Catholic Church, but virtually all other so called mainline churches in America, is simply a fact not well known in the USA any longer.

Ignorance and faithlessness today abounds and makes it easy to be both conservative and liberal at the same time, on every issue of consequence.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 12:46:38 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: torchy

Ted Olsen was retained by LightSquared in its battle against the FCC.

He seems to be on the wrong side of everything these days.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 12:47:07 PM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: torchy
This is a joke right? Or are Busheys as bad as they seem in retrospect.
14 posted on 05/10/2012 12:47:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: torchy

I think its going to come out that the RNC is crawling with gays.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 12:47:46 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: US Navy Vet
Hmph. Should have known, another good man misled by his crotch.
16 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:45 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: torchy

This headline needs a hurl alert!


17 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:45 PM PDT by cblue55 (Mr. Obama, was your mother punished with a baby?)
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To: torchy

This headline needs a hurl alert!


18 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:45 PM PDT by cblue55 (Mr. Obama, was your mother punished with a baby?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda; Deb
Barbara Olson is rolling over in her grave

That is the truth.

RIP BKO

19 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:46 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: kosciusko51

I’m beginning to wonder if Barbara was a beard.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 12:50:38 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: torchy

http://www.cocktailhag.com/blog/holy-singers/the-belated-education-of-john-avlon/

“Conservative”? (”Scholar”?)

After the decisive rejection and ejection of GOP moderate statesman Dick Lugar,
IMHO the definition of “conservative” no longer includes the word “moderate.”

From now on, conservatives will not want to go along to get along. Why should we? We’re calling the shots.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (Put some ice on it Dick. La Raza is looking for a good lobbyist.)
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To: torchy

P.S.

I miss Barbara Olsen very much. She was so smart, and she was also a fellow Freeper.

I also enjoyed listening to her on TV.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:47 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: US Navy Vet

Pathetic!!! thanks for that info


23 posted on 05/10/2012 12:52:41 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: ILS21R

He sees David Boies and wishes he had that kind of juice. So he decides he has to join the other side. It’s what will happen to everyone in the next generation if the socialists complete their takeover. You will have to acquiesce in their agenda or be shut out of power and wealth. Those with ambition will have to go along. Unless we win now.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 12:54:11 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: torchy
‘Well, we don't want the persons next door--who are decent, God-fearing, taxpaying, obeying-the-law citizens who simply want to have happiness like the rest of us'--to say ‘No, I have that right and you can't have it.' That just seems mean to me."

Does this sound like the founder of the Federalist Society, or an 8-year old girl?

25 posted on 05/10/2012 12:54:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: torchy

It’s such a shame that Ted wasn’t in that plane instead of his wife.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 12:56:22 PM PDT by greene66
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To: torchy

I’ve lived in Manhattan and I’ve lived in Washington DC.

Both places have a very strong “culture.” The people in both places, especially the upper classes and elitists, have a surprisingly uniform and lock-step thinking.

I’m convinced that if you are living there, and soaking in this culture long enough, there is immense pressure within one’s own mind to find ways to conform and “be accepted.”

For Ted Olson (who I will guess probably still calls himself “conservative”) the gay issue does this for him.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 12:56:33 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: torchy
A conservative legal scholar's take.

Please ... tell us more about your definition of "conservative".

28 posted on 05/10/2012 12:56:39 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: torchy

Olson has lost my respect.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 12:57:54 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: torchy

A conservative legal scholar’s take.

###

Legal scholar? I suppose.

Conservative? Not even close.


30 posted on 05/10/2012 12:58:21 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: kosciusko51

He is probably hooking up with homo supporter Ann Coulter!


31 posted on 05/10/2012 12:58:41 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Agree. I thought the same.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 12:59:12 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: torchy

Proof positive ladies & gentlemen that there is NO difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 1:02:45 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: torchy

It sounds like Ted might have “evolved” too! Evolution is in the wind. We need a Chuck Darwin Day.


34 posted on 05/10/2012 1:03:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: King Hawk

He was so overshadowed by Barbara’s intellect and personality that I don’t think too many folks saw the real idiot Ted.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 1:05:28 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I think you are right, but isnt that what the so called “Log Cabin” republicans are?


36 posted on 05/10/2012 1:06:31 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: torchy

It’s amazing how calling oneself a conservative, and then taking very pro-liberal stances, gets one noticed in the national media (e.g., Ted Olson, Meghan McCain).


38 posted on 05/10/2012 1:12:03 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: torchy
Well, we don't want the persons next door--who are decent, God-fearing, taxpaying, obeying-the-law citizens who simply want to have happiness like the rest of us'--to say ‘No, I have that right and you can't have it.' That just seems mean to me."..

Not so much, methinks.

39 posted on 05/10/2012 1:13:04 PM PDT by RMDupree (I'm not really here.)
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To: torchy
I just wish folks who favor legalizing gay marriage could be honest in admitting that the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1871 to prevent racial discrimination by state and local governments, was not meant to apply to gays or gay marriage.

Doesn't mean that states can't vote it in, as New York did recently. But the notion that "it's (gay marriage is) already IN the Constitution" is preposterous.

40 posted on 05/10/2012 1:13:18 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: torchy

God fearing???


41 posted on 05/10/2012 1:15:46 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: torchy

I’m more interested in the fact that this piece was written by John Avlon.

Isn’t he the “no labels” guy whose schtick is to push the leftist agenda under the pretense that he is a non-partisan?

One of his goals is to create dissension in the ranks of Conservatives. People on this thread who are falling for it are doing exactly what he wants them to do.

“No labels” is just as much of a fraud and leftist scam as the Clintonist “Third Way” was. It is every bit as non-partisan as the NAACP or ACORN or SEIU.

And it’s just as phony as having someone like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid decry the partisanship in Washington, when of course they themselves are rabid partisans whose extremist goals are out of step with a majority Center/Right nation.

Don’t be fooled by this type of agit-prop. He and his ilk are constantly putting on leftist “morality plays”, except that we all know that the left’s agenda is anything but moral...


42 posted on 05/10/2012 1:16:39 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: torchy

“A conservative legal scholar’s take.”

A position shared with Sen. Barry Goldwater, deceased

and Vice President Dick Cheney, renewed


43 posted on 05/10/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: greene66

“It’s such a shame that Ted wasn’t in that plane instead of his wife.”

I totally agree.


44 posted on 05/10/2012 1:19:39 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: truth_seeker
A position shared with Sen. Barry Goldwater, deceased and Vice President Dick Cheney, renewed

And, by you?

Goldwater married for former Planned Parenthood director and Cheney has a lesbian daughter.

There is nothing conservative about perverting what marriage is.

45 posted on 05/10/2012 1:21:36 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: truth_seeker
I would gently disagree that Cheney and Goldwater agree, or would have agreed, with Olsen.

Olsen argues that the Constitution already requires recognition of gay marriage -- that we, as state voters, don't even get a say in the matter.

Cheney or Goldwater may favor changing state laws to recognize gay marriage ... but IMO they would disagree with Olsen's argument that "it's not even up for a vote."

46 posted on 05/10/2012 1:21:43 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: cblue55

“This headline needs a hurl alert!”

####

Don’t count on it.

torchy
Since May 7, 2012

“A conservative legal scholar’s take.”

This is an ADVOCACY post.

“Torchy” BTW was a pornographic cartoon character created by Bill Ward.


47 posted on 05/10/2012 1:21:50 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: torchy

BTW, welcome to FR.

Are you really new here or are you, um, someone else in real life?


48 posted on 05/10/2012 1:21:59 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: pogo101

I believe homosexuality was an offense punished by death in some states around the time the Constitution was written.


49 posted on 05/10/2012 1:22:37 PM PDT by alpo
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Come now. Wishing death on the guy because he’s gotten his head up his butt politically is going to far.


50 posted on 05/10/2012 1:23:07 PM PDT by pogo101
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