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Socialist Francois Hollande 'wins French presidency'
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Posted on 05/06/2012 11:09:34 AM PDT by nuconvert

Socialist Francois Hollande has been elected as France's new president, early estimates say.

He got about 52% of votes in Sunday's run-off, according to projections based on partial results, against 48% for centre-right incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy.

Mr Hollande would be the first French socialist president since 1995.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eucrisis; france; francecrisis; franceelection; francoishollande; frenchelection; hollande; muslimblock; muslims; sarkozy
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1 posted on 05/06/2012 11:09:36 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Look for the financial markets to crash tomorrow.


2 posted on 05/06/2012 11:12:47 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: nuconvert

Hmmmm....we may be seeing Germans marching through Paris again in about a year. (Just kidding....)


3 posted on 05/06/2012 11:14:42 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: nuconvert
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken.

See how well socialism works when there is a lack of "other people's money" to redistribute.

4 posted on 05/06/2012 11:17:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: nuconvert

Watching the race between Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Hollande reminds me of watching the race between Barack Obama and Willard Romney...


5 posted on 05/06/2012 11:17:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: nuconvert

France just stepped off the cliff.
Can hardly wait to see the 75% taxes
take effect.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 11:18:42 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: nuconvert
When will they ever learn....

But then again, we are next in line.

7 posted on 05/06/2012 11:21:15 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nuconvert

Looks like France will be going the way of Greece and Spain. It’s going to get really ugly across the pond very soon.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 11:22:20 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: nuconvert

Questions for those who would know:
1.Will he have carte blanche to further the socialist agenda?
2.If so,how soon are the socialist policies to be implemented?


9 posted on 05/06/2012 11:23:23 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The French legislative elections happen in 5 weeks. It will be interesting how Le Pen’s party does.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 11:24:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Before or after the “annex” Poland?


11 posted on 05/06/2012 11:29:34 AM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: nuconvert
He got about 52% of votes in Sunday's run-off, according to projections based on partial results, against 48% for centre-right incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy.

The entire European Union has serious economic problems owing to their socialistic policies. How is a socialist president going to save France and other members of the European Union from the self destructive forces of socialism?

Will the USA bail them out again? Or, are all of us on a steeper part of that "slippery slope" toward certain economic collapse? Socialism fails 100% of the time it is tried.

We will be watching France's new government with great interest.

12 posted on 05/06/2012 11:29:55 AM PDT by olezip
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To: nuconvert
Mr Hollande would be the first French socialist president since 1995.

So what would be the difference exactly? France has always been a socialist cesspool. Sarkozy was no conservative reformer, that's for damn sure.

What does France have to offer the world anyhow? They used to be known for their wine and cuisine but now California, Australia, and even Argentina are making better and more affordable wines and as such, French wines take up less and less shelf space in our wine stores. French restaurants have pretty much disappeared from the American landscape as our palates have moved on to more exotic cuisine (i.e. Oriental, Mexican) or just plain old Texas-style steakhouses and barbecue.

13 posted on 05/06/2012 11:30:29 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving Phil Hartman)
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To: SamAdams76

“So what would be the difference exactly?”

You & the French people will soon find out


14 posted on 05/06/2012 11:34:17 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

I always wonder how long a system like this can sustain itself. Less people working and producing, more and more demands.

The country eventually goes bankrupt, I guess. And when it is bankrupt and can’t pay, you end up with angry dependent citizens rioting in the streets, no economy to speak of because any industry has been driven away and out of existence, and a populous with no skills to speak of because they have been on the free ride train their whole lives.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 11:36:52 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: PapaBear3625

Sarkozy was a socialist himself BUT HE LOVED AMERICA. This Hollande clown sounds like obama but speaks French, and hates America.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 11:45:58 AM PDT by max americana
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To: PapaBear3625

Or they do that by printing more money!


17 posted on 05/06/2012 11:46:48 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: tet68
Its already sparked a cottage industry for high-earner Frenchman looking to relocate. Places like London, New York, and Singapore have been mentioned. Its pretty bad when people start looking to the UK as a landing zone for tax refugees, but a 75% marginal rate will do that.
18 posted on 05/06/2012 11:49:59 AM PDT by chimera
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To: nuconvert

Once again, the people vote for whoever promises more free stuff!


19 posted on 05/06/2012 11:55:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: nuconvert

There goes an anti-Iranian ally. The welfare-funded, antisemitic, muslim vote probably tipped the scales.


20 posted on 05/06/2012 11:58:20 AM PDT by jonatron (This is the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.)
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To: All; nuconvert

PLEASE CONSOLIDATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE FR FRENCH POLITICS THREAD

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2880563/posts?page=45#29

I READ ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND WILL TRY AND ANSWER AS MANY AS POSSIBLE


21 posted on 05/06/2012 12:02:01 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: nuconvert

Sadly he reflects the intent of the people. Democracy at work.


22 posted on 05/06/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Signalman

Euro ALREADY down to $1.3045 in the overnight’s.
Apple stock, the new Worldwide Reserve Currency, should SOAR tomorrrow.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 12:07:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: nuconvert

24 posted on 05/06/2012 12:08:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: nuconvert
French People:

Maybe Socialism will work THIS time?

25 posted on 05/06/2012 12:10:59 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: Signalman

Won’t happen- unless and until the debt deals begin to unravel.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 12:11:51 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: nuconvert

Did the French (and Muzzies) vote for him to make things worse?

To tell you the truth it doesn’t matter which one they voted for just like with the Mittens/Obama match up. Either one takes you down Loser Road.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 12:11:58 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: olezip

“Will the USA bail them out again?”

DUH....
Obama-Owning Goldman-Sachs has too much riding on this, to just lose out.

TOO BIG TO FAIL, BABY!!!


28 posted on 05/06/2012 12:13:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: jonatron

That’s what happens when 5% of the France’s population is Muslim- the largest Muslim bloc in Europe. We have kind of the same problem here with Muslims and Hispanics joining the Blacks in the Democrat plantation. Uncontrolled immigration, legal and illegal, create critical voting blocs that trump majority rule. The cultural, religious, and historical cohesion of a nation splinters. This is what is happening here in the US and Obama is playing it to the hilt.


29 posted on 05/06/2012 12:17:43 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: nuconvert; Cincinna
I saw the movie The Conquest about Sarkozy last night (funny, it was also election night and the anniversary of his 2007 election). It was hard to follow if you're not French, but I could tell the film makers really didn't like him.

The carnivalesque/Felliniesque circus music on the soundtrack gave that away. And while actors portrayed Sarkozy, Chirac, and Villepin, nobody portrayed the socialist candidates.

In the film Sarkozy is maniacally ambitious and not particularly principled, though the actor gave his performance some nuance and even created some sympathy for Sarko, particularly when his wife started walking out on him.

In so far as ideology is concerned, according to the movie Sarkozy was a reformer, "liberal, atlantiste, et communautaire" -- meaning free-market oriented, NATO- and America-friendly, and pro-EU (however much we may think the European Union anti-free-market and anti-American, it does represent a challenge to inward-looking France).

But Sarkozy had to hide that and appeal to France's protectionist and welfarist tendencies, because fear of change and desire for protection and subsidies are stronger in France than any desire for economic freedom or free competition.

I guess that's what people are calling "socialism" though it doesn't have much to do with the classical socialist program of public ownership and control of the means of production or equal incomes.

What I take away from the film and today's results is that that French desire for protection and support, that fear of competition and change was too strong to buck. I don't know if Sarkozy really tried very hard once he got in. But his own growing personal unpopularity and those strong French tendencies probably would have made much in the way of reform impossible.

30 posted on 05/06/2012 12:18:56 PM PDT by x
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To: nuconvert

That’s like Cali re electing Jerry Brown.


31 posted on 05/06/2012 12:24:50 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Steelfish; All
You're absolutely correct, we're losing the war of demographics and funding it with welfare. None of the candidates address the issue.

"Islam is the second-most widely practiced religion in France behind Roman Catholicism by ... with an estimated total of 5 to 10 percent of the national population." - Wikipedia

SARKOZY HEADING FOR LOSS TO SOCIALIST 53.3-46.7

32 posted on 05/06/2012 12:30:16 PM PDT by jonatron (This is the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.)
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To: nuconvert
This could get fun to watch. I know it is not nice to say things like that.

But if the French are stupid enough to elect a guy like that they deserve what happens next.

33 posted on 05/06/2012 12:43:49 PM PDT by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: nuconvert

Another reason for Germany to pull the plug on the Euro....


34 posted on 05/06/2012 12:58:28 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: nuconvert

Kiss France goodbye.


35 posted on 05/06/2012 1:02:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: nuconvert

I’m happy to see it myself. It will ultimately cause the French misery, and given their actions and history it is richly deserved.

Of course, you know the media is already conditioning us to accept larger pools of revenue for the UN, and a bailout of Europe in general.


36 posted on 05/06/2012 1:05:28 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: Steelfish; Signalman; tcrlaf

“Won’t happen- unless and until the debt deals begin to unravel.”

But...Isn’t that precisely Hollande’s agenda?
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The fiscal compact treaty requiring cutting deficits and debt was signed at the beginning of March by 25 EU states and has already been ratified by several.

Once sworn into office Hollande will meet with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, where they are expected to lay the groundwork for an informal summit of EU leaders on growth to be held at the end of the month or June, and a formal summit on June 28 and 29.

For Merkel, the main advocate of austerity in public finances, it is out of the question to reopen debate on the fiscal compact.

Will the new French president clash with the German leader?

During the campaign Hollande vowed repeatedly to “renegotiate” the fiscal compact or to “complete” it with measures to achieve economic growth, which would ease the task of cutting deficits.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120506-hollande-faces-battle-with-berlin-over-growth


37 posted on 05/06/2012 1:08:59 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: nuconvert

Should we expect anything less from a bunch of self-important, cheese eating, surrender monkeys?


38 posted on 05/06/2012 1:12:19 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Dragonspirit
Of course, you know the media is already conditioning us to accept larger pools of revenue for the UN, and a bailout of Europe in general.

we don't have any money, but unless Obama is defeated, even by Romney, he will borrow money from China to GIVE to Europe. Our great grandchildren will, unless the entire world economy collapses, bail out this newest French disaster.

39 posted on 05/06/2012 1:21:10 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: nuconvert
This is not good. Europe is collapsing because the socialist governments are spending more than they collect in taxes. They borrow the difference. Adding a “growth driven” France to the European deficit will only accelerate the collapse. Be prepared. Next year is going to be a nightmare...
40 posted on 05/06/2012 1:23:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: nuconvert
This is not good. Europe is collapsing because hte socialist governments are spending more than they collect in taxes. They borrow the difference. Adding a “growth driven” France to the European deficit will only accelerate the colapse. Be prepared. Next year is going to be a nightmare...
41 posted on 05/06/2012 1:26:12 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: max americana
"Sarkozy was a socialist himself BUT HE LOVED AMERICA. This Hollande clown sounds like obama but speaks French, and hates America."

Sooo, will Hollande and Obama become best buds? Sounds like they have a great foundation.

42 posted on 05/06/2012 1:34:07 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: nuconvert
Don't worry, the American Liberals will see this a vindication for their ideas and they will turn out in droves to Reelect Pharaoh Obama.

Those that think that the American Public is smart enough to see what Obama has done and will continue to do this Country once he is Reelected had better take a Reality Test.

Until the Votes are counted on Election Day 2012, I will not be fooled into believing that Obama can be defeated.

I can only Hope that he will will lose in a Landslide but then I think of a saying an Old Navy Chief used to always use.

“Hope (wish) in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first”.

43 posted on 05/06/2012 1:49:42 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: April Lexington

This is not good. Europe is collapsing because the socialist governments are spending more than they collect in taxes. They borrow the difference. Adding a “growth driven” France to the European deficit will only accelerate the collapse. Be prepared. Next year is going to be a nightmare...


With French pressure, look for the European Union to start issuing bonds and using the $$ to shower socialist goodies on the member states. Except Germany may not be ready to imbibe the Kool-Aid yet—until it too gets a Socialist president.


44 posted on 05/06/2012 2:05:20 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Impy
>> Watching the race between Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Hollande reminds me of watching the race between Barack Obama and Willard Romney... <<

Nah, it would be more like an election between Obama and Bernie Sanders, with Obama in the Sarkozy role as the "more conservative" candidate.

45 posted on 05/06/2012 2:59:21 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: max americana
>> Sarkozy was a socialist himself BUT HE LOVED AMERICA. This Hollande clown sounds like obama but speaks French, and hates America. <<

I hate France, so it's nice to have a French president where the feeling is mutual. It was silly to see conservatives excuse France's 70+ year record of betraying America because their latest President vacationed here and tried to woo us into voting for Obama (and then complained Obama wasn't liberal enough after his "pal" was elected). Sarko may have "loved America" but he sure hated Israel. Buh bye Sarko.

46 posted on 05/06/2012 3:05:17 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: painter

“But if the French are stupid enough to elect a guy like that they deserve what happens next.”

You could easily substitute Americans for French in that sentence, we have and are getting what we deserve for electing a dog eating communist and we’re about to do it again.


47 posted on 05/06/2012 3:16:54 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Hmmmm....we may be seeing Germans marching through Paris again in about a year. (Just kidding....)


Perhaps Germany leaving the Euro zone completely.


48 posted on 05/06/2012 4:24:58 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: SamAdams76

What does France have to offer the world anyhow? They used to be known for their wine and cuisine but now California, Australia, and even Argentina are making better and more affordable wines and as such, French wines take up less and less shelf space in our wine stores. French restaurants have pretty much disappeared from the American landscape as our palates have moved on to more exotic cuisine (i.e. Oriental, Mexican) or just plain old Texas-style steakhouses and barbecue.


California even has banned foie gras!!!


49 posted on 05/06/2012 4:27:58 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: nuconvert

I’m glad that the hard, radical out of control right wing government (that the French are known for) is finally being replaced with a sensible, moderate, soft spoken liberal government.

Most people don’t realize this, but France is a more conservative place than our own California. :) But at least the French people are starting to wake up.

/sarc(???????)


50 posted on 05/06/2012 4:33:06 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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