Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 6 May 2012

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[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

May 6th, 2012

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Vice President Joe Biden; Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich; Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.; Sen. Chuck U. Schumer, D-N.Y.; former Gov. Howard Dean, D-Vt.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.; David Assholerod, adviser to President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign.

STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Gingrich; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich.; former Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va.; former Gov. Ted Strickland, D-Ohio.

[chiller]

Of course, the other side of the equation is: would Romney want a shining star to play opposite his “bland” persona ? Few politicians think of themselves as bland, but Rubio is a bright light, for sure. If nothing else, Romney seems determined as hell to beat Obama, and thus go down in history as the guy who saved America. Whatever that entails, Rubio or no....

[rodguy911]

Thanks can’t wait.
I can’t believe it but on some “conservative” sites they just don’t get who Rubio is at all.

[Morgan in Denver]

Excellent post this morning, bray.

[Miss Marple]

You can blame a large portion of that anti-immigrant feeling on Michelle Malkin. She was absolutely viscious about Perry, and I won’t forget it.

People need to quit letting conservative pundits and talk-show hosts control the message.

[altura]

Romney is kinda bland, but not annoying in the way that McCain was.

And I don’t think Romney will be shy about attacking Obama like McCain was.

Romney wanted to be the candidate and he is.

He wants to be president and he will go all out against Obama.

I hope he makes it.

And, annoying as it is to many on this site, I think he may have a better chance than someof the candidates more supported here.

[kabar]

Only a few employers hell bent on cheap labor at any cost would give our side a hard time other than a few rinos still worried about losing the Hispanic vote.

The US Chamber of Commerce is our archenemy in this regard. They have been funding court challenges against states like AZ and AL who have implemented tough E-verify laws that were upheld by SCOTUS last year. They want to keep the flow of cheap labor coming. And they have supported amnesty for those already here.

The power and influence of the Chamber cannot be underestimated when it comes to the Rep Establishment and the politicians who depend on their campaign contributions.

[Morgan in Denver]

It’s not just Assholerod, it’s every Democrat in a leadership position and the majority of the rest.

Education of the voting public should include more political philosophy from our side.

[kabar]

Ironically the penny plan which has everything we need would work.

Not so easy. The entitlement programs are driving the debt. Their costs will continue to increase as the baby boomer generation retires at 10,000 a day for the next 20 years. Right now they constitute about 60% of the budget consuming all tax revenue. We borrow 42 cents of every federal dollar spent.

By 2030 one in five residents of this country will be 65 or older, twice what it is now. And by 2030 there will be just 2 workers for every retiree. Taking a cent away each year will just squeeze non-discetionary items including Defense while the entitlement programs consume an ever increasing portion of the budget both in terms of percentage and costs. We need to reform entitlements otherwise taking a penny a way every year will not solve the problem.

[chiller]

... allowing them to pay instate tuition ... was a turnoff for so many people.

You've got that one right....it still bothers me, no end, although I'm ignorant as to dollar amounts and how significant or insignificant. To think of stressed taxpayers paying the way to university --- most of which are swimming in cash, over-charging, delivering poor value, stupid curricula ---chaps me.

[Bernard]

Perry’s very mild attempts to justify doing something that was actually very minor for children of illegals... i.e. allowing them to pay instate tuition ... was a turnoff for so many people.

I don't care what Rick Perry does with HIS OWN MONEY and I don't care if Texas spends its own money to send their local illegals to college.

BUT, when Rick Perry tells me that I don't have a heart because I don't agree with how he wants to spend his money, and I don't want to use more federal money to do the same for everybody, he loses me. I have had a lifetime of lifer politicans telling me about what a horrible person I am because I don't want to contribute to their favorite charity, or I am not willing to mortage my childrens' futures for that favorite charity.

And illegal is not a race.

[liberty or death]

Outstanding. I do not watch or listen to the left wing media. They have zero to offer in the way of intelligent debate or ideas. Simple commie parrots who survive only because they live in an echo chamber of their own making.

I get all my news right here on FR. Never do I click on a news article when I open my laptop. FR needs a weather page so I don’t have to open yahoos and be swamped by the global warming scam.

[kabar]

There is such visceral hatred among many conservatives for illegals that almost spreads over onto all hispanics.

That's the Dem talking points. Hispanics only make up about two-thirds of the illegal aliens. Portraying conservatives as having a "visceral hatred" about illegal aliens is so distorted and insulting to be almost beyond response. It is part of the demonization of Reps by the Left.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law. Since when is supporting the Rule of Law a manifestation of "visceral hatred" for the lawbreakers?

Perry’s very mild attempts to justify doing something that was actually very minor for children of illegals... i.e. allowing them to pay instate tuition ... was a turnoff for so many people.

Mild my a$$. Besides being against federal law, there is a sense of fairness that must be addressed. Why should people who entered this country illegally be given tuition breaks when an out of state student can't? And they are even being given admission benefits based on minority status. What about legal citizens of the US and Texas who cannot get into state schools because their place has been taken by an illegal?

Federal law prohibits state colleges and universities from providing in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens “on the basis of residence within the State”—unless the same in-state rates are offered to all citizens of the United States. Today, 12 states are circumventing this federal law, and the legal arguments offered to justify such actions are untenable, no matter what other policy arguments are offered in their defense. Because at least one federal court of appeals has held that there is no private right of action under the specific statute in question—§ 1623 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996—the U.S. Department of Justice must enforce this statutory provision against states that have violated federal law.

81% of likely voters oppose granting in-state tuition to illegal aliens in their state, with 12% supporting tuition breaks for illegal aliens (Rasmussen, August 2011). Who the hell is out of step, the vast majority of Americans or Rick Perry? There is a big fight over this issue in MD, the bluest of blue states, this year. It will be on the ballot after signatures were collected in record time to block the state legislature, which passed in-state tuition. Right now, it appears that it will be defeated by the people even in MD. In-state tuition for illegals is not only not wise policy, it is also stupid politically when the overwhelming position of the people is against it.

... that it might have an ultimate benefit by turning those kids into tax paying citizens.

It is against the law to hire illegals in this country and it is illegal for them to work here. So exactly how will they pay taxes?

We don’t punish children of rapists or murderers or children of people in prison for various crimes but we want to punish children whose parents crime was coming here illegally.

Of course we do. There are consequences when you commit a crime or multiple crimes. We separate children from their parents when they are incarcerated. The children suffer the consequences in many ways. An illegal alien child was given the privilege and benefits of attending American schools (K-12), school meals, free health care, etc and all the attendent benefits of living in one of the most prosperous and freest nations on earth. How is this somehow seen as being punishment because that "child" cannot receive in-state tuition? They can still attend universities if they pay out of state tuition like many Americans do.

And how do you define a child? If you look at the Texas law there is no age limit in terms of taking advantage of in-state tuition.

[mtnwmn]

Excellent!!

[Fishtalk]

You can blame a large portion of that anti-immigrant feeling on Michelle Malkin

Let me correct something in your argument. A large portion of us are anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant. Sorry, please get it right. You put yourself right up there with the Democrats and Lamestream when you mindlessly repeat this mantra.

We are not dumbells and stop talking down to us. All the vast majority of us want is a SENSIBLE immigration system. It's not rocket science and it's not beyond the pale.

We understand fences, we have locks on our doors, indeed much of the world has their borders manned with rigor.

And yes, I was around when mass amnesty was granted during the Reagan years and here we are agin with millions of illegal immigrants now tell me why we are to believe that another amnesty/anchor baby system will work.

[Fishtalk]

There is such visceral hatred among many conservatives for illegals that almost spreads over onto all hispanics.

That's the Dem talking points. Hispanics only make up about two-thirds of the illegal aliens. Portraying conservatives as having a "visceral hatred" about illegal aliens is so distorted and insulting to be almost beyond response. It is part of the demonization of Reps by the Left.

I agree. What an awful thing to say that the average American has a visceral hatred of illegals. We might not like them, silly us who think our guests should obey our laws, but there's no visceral hatred. That's a mean, mean thing to assert.

And it sure doesn't spread over to legal immigrants, not that one can tell the difference by look and feel.

Never gonna convince anybody by casting totally untrue and mean aspersions on law-abiding people.

[caww]

.....”The Tea Party’.... rejects both candidates and wants a small localized gummit that would represent the people and not the central planners who want to control every part of you and the economy.....

.... There couldn't’t be a more distinct choice and although this election will be a landslide in both the presidency and congress there is a bigger election taking place inside the minds of the American people. ...

This election is the turning away from all the socialist programs and an elimination of the physical and mental enslavement they require.... When this election of the American mind is won we will once and for all become the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave as God and our Founders designed."........

Pray for America Amen.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Ahem!

...who Rubio is...

Were his parents naturalized before he was born?

[caww]

Thank you very much for your article....as I see it the TP is our only hope. Without it this nation will get rolled.

[altura]

Once again, you are falling for the party line.

The taxpayers actually benefited because more people attended the universities and colleges. They paid like everyone else. They just got the benefit of the in-state rate, which is high enough.

Even the Dallas Morning News which hates Perry with every fibre of their liberal being had an article analyzing this tuition thing and concluded that it was beneficial to all.

I don’t know about the colleges swimming in cash. They say they are not. I do know that college education is way over-rated for a lot of people and that college educations are not what they used to be.

The main benefit is something to put on your resume. Many companies use requiring a degree as a way of easily eliminating a lot of people, some of whom would be better than the college grads they eventually hire.

I think my daughter wasted time pursuing an advanced degree when she could have done better spending that time working in her profession and working her way up.

But I digress. That whole tuition thing was a red herring and much ado about nothing.

[altura]

Fishtalk, I wasn’t talking about the average American.

Maybe I’ve been on Free Rebublic too long and my viewpoint is skewed.

Maybe I was on too many pro-Perry threads where he was viciously trashed for YES a very mild concession to the children of illegals.

I see it here. Not on this thread but everywhere else.