Posted on 05/01/2012 6:09:33 PM PDT by SmithL
Business owners in San Francisco's Mission District, cleaning up after a night in which protesters damaged more than 30 stores and restaurants and vandalized cars, questioned Tuesday why activists had singled them out and why police hadn't done more to halt the rampage.
Among those dealing with the damage were officers at the neighborhood police station, where black-clad, masked activists threw paint and bashed the front door Monday night.
Even as they defended themselves from criticism that they had allowed the vandals to run wild - one restaurant owner said officers even appeared to be "escorting" the group - high-level police officials met to find a better way to handle out-of-control crowds.
The protesters split away at 9 p.m. from an Occupy rally in Dolores Park that was held in advance of Tuesday's May Day actions. Traveling down 18th Street and onto Valencia Street, they smashed windows with crowbars and signs, threw paint and eggs on buildings and spray-painted anarchy symbols on the hoods of parked cars.
"All I heard was, 'bang, bang, bang,' and some dude had the valet sign, trying to break our window," said Adam Koskoff, manager of the Locanda restaurant on Valencia. "I didn't even see the crowd, and I ran outside and got egged."
The vandals damaged restaurants, bakeries and clothing stories, along with at least 17 cars on Valencia and Guerrero streets. An expensive Aston Martin had its windshield shattered, but the protesters damaged everyday cars as well.
At the Mission police station at 17th and Valencia streets, pink and yellow paint was thrown on the barricaded glass doors, which someone cracked with a hammer or similar weapon.
"It was like the station was under siege," said an officer, who asked not to be named.
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Answer?
Here’s an intertwined pair:
1) Non-judgmentalism.
2) Moral equivalence.
They'll do as targets, so you are correct, but they're somewhat nouveau by comparison, don't you think?
I’m sure the Koreans wouldn’t care. They were some of the most feared troops in Vietnam for a reason.
What’s the big deal? Tea Party people do this all the time.
what did they really expect?....you don't protect the businesses, you're not going to get tax income....
Maybe police have given up on dealing with liberal groups who do violence... Here’s another example of that:
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A reporter making routine checks of police reports would see “simple assault” and, if the names were unfamiliar, would be unlikely to write about it. In this case, editors hesitated to assign a story about their own employees. Would it seem like the paper treated its employees differently from other crime victims?
More questions loomed.
Forster and Rostami wondered if the officer who answered their call treated all crime victims the same way. When Rostami, who admits she was hysterical, tried to describe what had happened, she says the officer told her to shut up and get in the car. Both said the officer did not record any names of witnesses who stopped to help. Rostami said the officer told them the attackers were “probably juveniles anyway. What are we going to do? Find their parents and tell them?”
The officer pointed to public housing in the area and said large groups of teenagers look for trouble on the weekends. “It’s what they do,” he told Forster.
Could that be true? Could violent mobs of teens be so commonplace in Norfolk that police and victims have no recourse?
Police are giving up around the country. Here some members of the MSM get beat up - police admit to being helpless... Follow the link for more:
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http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton
A reporter making routine checks of police reports would see “simple assault” and, if the names were unfamiliar, would be unlikely to write about it. In this case, editors hesitated to assign a story about their own employees. Would it seem like the paper treated its employees differently from other crime victims?
More questions loomed.
Forster and Rostami wondered if the officer who answered their call treated all crime victims the same way. When Rostami, who admits she was hysterical, tried to describe what had happened, she says the officer told her to shut up and get in the car. Both said the officer did not record any names of witnesses who stopped to help. Rostami said the officer told them the attackers were “probably juveniles anyway. What are we going to do? Find their parents and tell them?”
The officer pointed to public housing in the area and said large groups of teenagers look for trouble on the weekends. “It’s what they do,” he told Forster.
Could that be true? Could violent mobs of teens be so commonplace in Norfolk that police and victims have no recourse?
The professional ‘downtrodden’ - or as we call them - thugs - usually see ‘the press’ as their friends. I think these two reporters didn’t realize the ‘younger downtrodden’ don’t give a hoot if they get good coverage or not. I suspect these reporters won’t get out of the car next time...
“Sooner or later, they will be eaten.”
Deservedly so
I told my lady friend to go and buy a spray can of wasp killer, the one that sprays like over 20 feet out, keep it in the car right where she can get to it quickly.
I was thinking of a riot control device of the redneck variety, an inexpensive spray nozzle arrangement that would spray all around the truck using either a simple air tank through a 5 gallon weed sprayer with extra fittings, small diameter air brake tubing to concealed nozzles around the truck, or a 12 volt high pressure pump.
The actual mix could just be basic ammonia with a chlorine bleach injector.
Not for offensive purpose, just to clear an escape zone and to flee the area.
I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes minority groups can get away with things “conservative old white guys” can't.
It's pretty hard to effectively prosecute a minority guy who is standing on the roof of his business shooting people threatening to throw Molotov cocktails into his business, or even to smash the front window and steal all his inventory. Even if the prosecutor wins in the court of law, he's going to lose in the court of public opinion. Most prosecutors will find a way to avoid taking a case like that to a jury trial with media in the courtroom and Koreans all over the area taking up collections to pay the best attorney around, and then to aggressively contribute money to the campaign of whoever is running against the prosecutor in the next election.
It also doesn't hurt that virtually every able-bodied Korean man has served in the Korean military. Koreans don't have the Second Amendment (which is a serious problem with South Korean law) but they do have near-universal military training for men and that has advantages for Korean immigrant business owners living in inner-city American cities.
M1903A1 is right that Koreans “were some of the most feared troops in Vietnam for a reason.” The Korean pastor of our local Korean PCA congregation was one of those Korean soldiers assigned to Vietnam, and after seeing the all-too-common lack of discipline, drug use, and immorality of American soldiers in Vietnam, he went to seminary and came to the United States as a Presbyterian missionary to Korean wives of American soldiers outside Fort Leonard Wood. I'm all for supporting the troops, especially Vietnam veterans, but it's a simple fact that Koreans were feared by the Vietnamese for a reason. It's also a fact that unlike our modern all-volunteer military, some of the American soldiers who served in Vietnam didn't want to be in the military and acted accordingly. (Don't jump me for attacking vets -- I said "some," not all, and it was only a few bad apples that created a bad reputation.) By contrast, when Korean soldiers acted bad in Vietnam, it was usually because they did something horrible to the enemy that terrified the enemy because they knew Americans wouldn't do such things, and at most would get a wrist-slap from Korean commanders as long as their actions resulted in dead enemy soldiers.
For those who don't know, I'm married to a Korean whose brother was in the South Korean Special Forces. I might know more than a little bit about what Koreans will do to defend their families and their businesses — shoot first and ask questions later applies when wives and kids are targets. The phrase “kimchi temper” was created for a reason. You don't want to get between a Korean and his family any more than you want to get between a grizzly bear and its cubs.
Expect much more of this in the coming months. Its going to be a wild summer.
I'm afraid you're right. In some parts of the country thugs, teenage gangs and mob violence has become commonplace. When police try to stop it and a criminal is killed or badly hurt the leftists blame police, Portland, Oregon is a good example. Seattle is another example, Holder and his DOJ just investigated their department for excessive use of force.
I believe the day will come when the average citizen will get fed up with this and take action, hopefully it won't come to that though. It should be stopped by those whose job it is to stop it and that includes elected city, county and state reps as well as police.
“It should be stopped by those whose job it is to stop it and that includes elected city, county and state reps < snip >”
Between fear of being sued by the do-gooders, personal graft, and having kicked the can too far down the road to recover (without being voted out by the FSA), I have no faith in our elected officials at all.
I expect most of them to keep kicking the can down the road and casting a smokescreen until they can loot the treasury and head for high ground.
“SF is one of my favorite towns to visit”
The Marina and Presdio are very nice areas. And north into Marin and Sonoma
I’ve been to a couple of conventions at the civic center and the $295/night hotel nearby. One morning, a pal and I stepped out of the hotel after breakfast and heard bongo drums in the distance.
We walked down a few blocks and discovered a beret wearing fellow on the bongos, accompanied by a guitar player with a couple of hats out on the sidewalk, playing for coins...
One of Zimmerman's neighbors came forward to back him - said something to the effect that black kids had been involved in crimes in their ‘gated’ community - but she didn't want to give her name - fear of retribution.
That's awful. Black citizens afraid of the black mob. It's common in black communities.
Lawful citizens are held hostage.
The former 'Civil Rights' movement has morphed into a Criminal Protection Racket... When was the last time you saw Jesse and gang defend anyone other than what most of us would consider 'criminal'?
The solution - allow the city to charge for police protection based on police usage.
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