Skip to comments.FBI says Occupy Cleveland not under investigation though suspects were actively involved in group.
Posted on 05/01/2012 2:26:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
CLEVELAND, Ohio FBI officials today said that while the members of a group arrested in an attempt to blow up a bridge over the Cuyahoga Valley National Park were also involved in the Occupy Cleveland movement, that organization is not under federal investigation.
"Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group," said Steven M. Dettelbach, U.S Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio. "We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals."
The Occupy movement is never identified by name in the affidavit filed by federal officials today, but interviews have since indicated that the five arrested had been involved with and somewhat dissatisfied with the Occupy Cleveland movement in Public Square.
Still, that the five men arrested were connected with that movement including attending an Oct. 21, 2011, event on Clevelands Public Square had caused ripples throughout the day.
The group also issued a statement Monday, saying that while the group arrested Monday evening by the FBI were associated with Occupy Cleveland, they were in no way representing or acting on behalf of Occupy Cleveland or the event that was planned for later today at the GE Lighting building."
The May Day event at GE was sponsored by Occupy Cleveland, the North Shore AFL-CIO, Cleveland Jobs with Justice, Fight for a Fair Economy and SEIU Local 1, the statement said. The event was cancelled, however, because of the alleged actions of the autonomous group arrested (Monday) night, the statement said, adding that Occupy Cleveland has had affirmed principles of non-violence since its inception on October 6, 2011.
"Today's event Occupy GE (General Electric) was canceled because there were rumors these guys were involved, said Debbie Kline of Jobs with Justice. They were NEVER at the table.
Its been over a month we've been planning this. We will do this in the future. We'll do this again. But it would have been in bad taste to do today."
Bomb plot suspect Brandon Baxter came to a Jobs with Justice spring training event this year to learn about non-violent action, she said.
"When you're in a movement, you can't kick people out when they are volunteers," Kline said. "These five were acting on their own, they didn't have any part of the greater movement."
"There are fringey people all over the place."
View full sizeThomas Ondrey, The Plain DealerThe Ohio 82 bridge as it crosses the Cuyahoga River in Cuyahoga Valley National Park in Brecksville. The FBI arrested five men this week in connection with a plot to blow up the bridge today for May Day protests.
The FBI arrested Baxter and four others Monday evening, saying they had planted what were believed to be explosive devices under the Ohio 82 bridge over Cuyahoga Valley National Park as part of a May Day protest today.
The five men were self-proclaimed anarchists, who intended to detonate two improvised explosive devices (IEDs) under the bridge in Sagamore Hills, but had purchased the inert devices from undercover FBI agents, officials said
Also arrested by the FBIs Joint Terrorism Task Force and charged with conspiracy and attempted use of explosive materials were: Douglas Wright, 26 and Anthony Hayne, 35.
Wright had also talked about "getting a car that they can drive into the Federal Reserve Bank" in Cleveland to blow it up, according to an affidavit from FBI Special Agent Ryan Taylor. (See the affidavit in the DocumentCloud reader below.)
Despite the defendants worst intentions and aims during the entire course of yesterdays operation, the public was never in danger, Dettelbach said. The defendants never possessed at any time any really explosive materials and the arrests warrants were signed before they got in the car and went to the bridge.
Also arrested, but not charged, were Connor Stevens, 20 and Joshua Stafford, 23. Anthony said Stevens and Stafford were currently being charged, officials said.
Meanwhile, the Cuyahoga Valley National Park issued a news release this afternoon saying that park rangers worked with FBI during the course of the investigation and that park visitors were not at risk during the operation.
At no time were the Brecksville Station or the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad considered targets for the plot, the news release said.
The national park encompasses 33,000 acres along the Cuyahoga River between Cleveland and Akron, Ohio.
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson also issued the following statement: I would like to express my appreciation to FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Stephen D. Anthony and the Cleveland Office of the FBI for their diligence in identifying and exposing a potential threat to our community, and for keeping Cleveland's safety leadership informed on the progress of the investigation.
Reporter Rachel Dissell contributed to this story.
The Ohio 82 bridge as it crosses the Cuyahoga River in Cuyahoga Valley National Park in Brecksville.
The FBI arrested five men this week in connection with a plot to blow up the bridge today for May Day protests.
What? Why the hell isn't it?
..can’t have the FBI investigating one of Pelosi’s groups she supports.....she said so
Nothing fishy there. They still investigating Brietbart?
When I was in college, I had a professor who was considered something of a radical. I remember he once mentioned that he would sometimes by followed by the KKK, but then they would be followed by the FBI. Sort of a little parade.
I later read that there were actually more FBI agents investigating the Klan than there were members of the Klan. I suspect they were investigating groups but I must be wrong.
I remember once that an entire operation by some rightwing group had been conducted by FBI informants. There were so many of them that some did not know what the others were doing.
I’m guessing the FBI was heavily involved and watching the group all along.
If that is not the case then Ameridca is in deep doo doo.
Because they're Federal contractors.
Well, it could be true. But it could equally be disinformation if they really are looking into the group.
The Feds lie as easily as you and I breathe.
“Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group,”
Well.....unless we find somebody tied to the Tea Party......
Dettelbach is an obama appointee
Occupy violence is flaring up all over the country but those dang TEA Partiers are the domestic terrorists
“We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals.”
It’s hard to fix stupid!
Working for the FBI nowadays must be like the fictional inspector character Arkady Renko, in the novels by Martin Cruz Smith.
A good man in a corrupt, political situation.
No I don’t know why the “don’t blow the whistle” if they are “good men”.
Ah, the FBI and the JustUs department. Obama’s toilet paper.
I sure hope the dem dickwads who run Cleveland coddle these occupy losers and let them camp and sleep in the Public Square this year. Just clear them out and keep them out.
I sure hope the dem dickwads who run Cleveland coddle these occupy losers and let them camp and sleep in the Public Square this year. Just clear them out and keep them out.
Route 82 is a major road and there would have been deaths had they managed to blow this bridge. I hope they charge these a-holes with attempted murder and put them away forever.
Kind of crucify them, to use an EPA analogy.
Freeloaders aren't very bright.
One of the stories I read said they had a whole list of potential targets including hospitals, schools, klan gatherings etc.
IF heavy dem and union city THEN Occupy Group.
Klan meetings in Cleveland? What neighborhood, I wonder.
There is no credible evidence so far that this attack was more than at least one person, the driver, said Mayor Mike Bloomberg. After that there is no evidence that anyone else was involved. It may be, but we cant say that it is.
If I had to guess, twenty five cents, this would be exactly that, Bloomberg said. Homegrown maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesnt like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.
I made a meme out of that. The “OccupyPrison” part might fly, but the part about what’s now getting “occupied” there would be zot-bait.
This story lists law enforcement, oil wells, cargo ships, and a casino.
Sounds like an Obama appointee. Can anyone in government or the media go a day without using that phrase?
Pretty ambitious list for a bunch who are likely baffled by the technical intricacies of the “flaming bag of dog poop” prank.
Their brilliant plan included throwing tacks out of the car if police chased them. lol
“To prevent capture, he suggested getting tacks that they could throw out of the back of the car if they get caught in a chase.”
You keep remembering and reading basically WRONG stuff.
The total number of FBI agents in the US ranged between 3,000-5,000 (which included non-field agents). The KKK and related groups had many thousands of members at any one time (say 1960-70s when it went into decline, due, in part to the 1965 hearings by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities which exposed the Klan as the violent, hate group that it is).
The FBI couldn’t assign 3,000 agents to monitor the Klan, etc. That’s not how surveillance/intelligence investigations work. Been there, done that. Most agents worked on organized crime, interstate crimes, esp. kidnappings, bank robberies, hijackings, Soviet and Soviet Bloc and Red Chinese espionage, white collar crime, and aid local police at times.
THere was one radical organization that actually did have several FBI agents or informants in it but that was an anomaly (depended on the possible threat that the group posed and its size). Sometimes the police ran their own intell ops when they perceived a local threat. Been there, done that, only it was another private group that did the infiltrating on its own. The ENTIRE OPERATION, in both cases, consisted of about 12 people, and in my case, consisted of several very violent SDSers.
AND they were not supposed to know what the others were doing. Independently sourced intelligence is much better than single-source intelligence. Been there, done that.
Since you know and remember so much, here’s a story you can add to your repetoire. I was working for a govt agency (ies) and testified about a person who later turned out to be a local police officer in another city. He later testified before Congress about what he had learned, about 6-12 months after my cover was broken so that I could testify before Congress (about radicals/violence/communist domination of key national groups/KGB ties, etc).
This officer provided inside information on a very important Chicago group that I could not have provided since I didn’t operate there. He also provided information which expanded on what I had said about several organizations.
Two independent sources are much better than one.
Remember that, if you will.
God bless them for their spontaneity,Its young, its spontaneous, its focused and its going to be effective.
I have no idea how many people were in the KKK but I am sure I read that from a normal source. It could have been wrong but I am not wrong about it being reported.
Now the one about the FBI having informants who operated an entire operation from within some radical group by accident, I am certain was widely reported.
I don’t care if you are J. Edgar himself, I just repeated what I read. At one time I would have trusted the FBI to an extreme degree and that trust was probably justified.
Now I think they are a bunch of clowns. Well actually there probably are lots of good ones left however I personally witnessed a bunch of FBI agents behaving like trash during the 60’s.
> “We do not investigate movements or groups
Unless they are the Tea Party, the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, or any other anti-Abortion-murder, anti-unnatural-marriage, anti-tax, anti-democrat, or anti-0bamao group.
...””We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals...”
That’s your problem right there!
“What? Why the hell isn’t it? “
Do you really believe anyone in government?
Probably because they have confidential informants and sources close to or inside various “Occupy” movements or (more likely) the anarchist and black flag types who are now attaching themselves to the Occupy movements.
“OHIO BOMB PLOTTERS Seen At #Occupy Cleveland Protests >>>VIDEO”
First mistake: Don’t believe everything you read. I have been a reporter/journalist for over 40 years, and have seen just about every type of pisspoor reporting from all sides, even being the subject of one libelous story (what I did to that newspaper is for another day, but it was fun).
I worked with the FBI and the two agents, during Hoover’s time, were extremely professional and knowledgeable in their field. I have known other FBI, CIA, and military intelligence agents, and have found them to be professionals, dedicated patriots, and very rational people.
If I mentioned some of their names, you would recognize them; others you wouldn’t but they probably prevented WW3 - my contacts went way up the food chain in spooksville, from Nam to Berlin, Latin America to the Weathermen.
I’ll just mention a couple who you will find at Google, etc. - Herb “I Led Three Lives” Philbrick; Larry Gratwohl - Weather Underground; Tom West and Irvin Bock, Chicago PD; Larry Sulc, CIA; Herb Romerstein, NY state investigator, HCUA, HISC, Senate Intelligence Committee, State Dept/USIA Soviet Propaganda section; Whittaker Chambers, KGB/GRU, CPUSA, etc.
Whatever is wrong with the FBI today is due to the politicization of it and the CIA by Obama, pure and simple. If you know where to look, you’ll see what I mean.
Most newspaper writers are NOT trained in intelligence and police matters. The few good ones, like Fred Reed, are retired and there are literally no “police beat” reporters anymore.
To often they write a story and miss half of it. Not always their fault but a rush to judgment and a lack of background fundamentals of the subjects (i.e. intelligence, police methodology, the criminal justice system, our enemies and their tactics, and media bias), provide the average reader with average to poor stories, aka “junk”.
I got a degree in Police Science specifically to enhance my writing on law enforcement, terrorism, and internal security. My classmates, all law enforcement people, provided real-time comments and information, and all my teachers were either criminal lawyers, judges, retired FBI (one was the man who helped capture the German saboteurs who landed in New Jersey during WW2), active duty police officers, etc.
You’d be amazed what you DON’T KNOW when you start to write about police matters and internal security affairs. It takes decades to really learn the basics and nuances of the subject and how to write accurately about it.
Oh, attend a Klan/Nazi rally if you really want an education. Those today are nothing like those of the past, but you can get a glimpse of their mentally ill state. Then attend a communist or related leftist extremist organization’s meeting/rally, and you will find the same thing. Been there, done that.
About an informant who operated an entire operation - so what. Some radical groups were so disorganized that it made surveillance easier of some kind of structural form was given to the group. Been there, done that.
It is the goal of that group that is important, and the hidden identity of those who really run it. That’s what opened my eyes, but the mainstream media totally refused to report it despite many congressional hearings and reports, including live inside witnesses testimony.
Be glad we have the FBI and not the KGB. Too many of my friends spent time in Soviet torture centers (Lubyanka prison), and the Gulags of the Trans-Siberian Railroad system ( i.e. Potma)or in Murmansk-Archangel salt mines such as Vorkutka.
Yarddog: You’ve got a lot to learn about the real world. Open the door and enter it, if you to “see”.
Now: About Vietnam and Cambodia. Been there, done that. but it’s another story for another day.
Well I am surprised that I actually agree with just about every thing you said. I used to watch “I led 3 lives” when I was a kid.
I certainly did not know any of the famous people you did but I have known and worked with some people who were about as deep into counter-intelligence as one gets tho of course they never gave me any details.
During the 60s, I spent a couple of weeks being around a bunch of FBI agents and they were not impressive at all. I personally had some dealings with an FBI supervisor and he was about as sorry as they get. I had grown up watching “The FBI, with Efrim Zimbalist Jr.” and thought they about walked on water.
I ended up seizing his ranch and as far as I know, he never suffered any repercussions for his misbehavior.
You just knew channeling Boy George was going to add up to no good.
These guys look just like some of my favorite meth heads on this site:
The media usually get’s 1/5th of the story correct if it’s more complicated than a hit and run or stop and rob incident.
Everyone is a talking head these days...... I rarely watch cable news but we were cooped up with inclement weather on the day of the Virginia Tech shooting incident. I was so disgusted with the news coverage and the comments made by “experts” on television.
It is pointless to debate about these topics when so few facts are known. An affidavit to support these arrests is sealed by the court. It is probably hundreds of pages long (single spaced) and spans all kinds of investigative procedures and techniques. Too often, including on this forum, you get people who seem to think the arresting document is contained within the news article written by some young hack. Too many people form an opinion based on the initial coverage and rarely change it when new facts come to light.
Law enforcement in America at every level suffers from diarrhea of the mouth in the quest for good publicity. It’s not necessary to tell the media a GPS tracker was put on the burglars car and detectives used that to follow him/her and catch them red-handed. The wiser men of yesteryear would simply say “we had him under surveillance”. Trackers are expensive. This is why affidavits like this should be sealed, these are extremely comprehensive investigations that will be critically reviewed throughout the process. Conspiracy minded folks neglect the FACT that the defense attorney, his defense colleagues, defense investigators, and any other expert they wish to employ are all free to scrutinize the facts contained within the four corners of the affidavit. The Judge and the appeals court are not an easy audience either!
You sound like you would be an interesting man at choir practice.
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