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FBI says Occupy Cleveland not under investigation though suspects were actively involved in group.
cleveland.com ^ | 01May12 | Michael Scott

Posted on 05/01/2012 2:26:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

CLEVELAND, Ohio – FBI officials today said that while the members of a group arrested in an attempt to blow up a bridge over the Cuyahoga Valley National Park were also involved in the Occupy Cleveland movement, that organization is not under federal investigation.

"Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group," said Steven M. Dettelbach, U.S Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio. "We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals."

The Occupy movement is never identified by name in the affidavit filed by federal officials today, but interviews have since indicated that the five arrested had been involved with – and somewhat dissatisfied with – the Occupy Cleveland movement in Public Square.

Still, that the five men arrested were connected with that movement – including attending an Oct. 21, 2011, event on Cleveland’s Public Square – had caused ripples throughout the day.

The group also issued a statement Monday, saying that “while the group arrested Monday evening by the FBI were associated with Occupy Cleveland, they were in no way representing or acting on behalf of Occupy Cleveland or the event that was planned for later today at the GE Lighting building."

The May Day event at GE was sponsored by Occupy Cleveland, the North Shore AFL-CIO, Cleveland Jobs with Justice, Fight for a Fair Economy and SEIU Local 1, the statement said. The event was cancelled, however, because of “the alleged actions of the autonomous group arrested (Monday) night,” the statement said, adding that “Occupy Cleveland has had affirmed principles of non-violence since its inception on October 6, 2011.”

"Today's event Occupy GE (General Electric) was canceled because there were rumors these guys were involved,” said Debbie Kline of Jobs with Justice. “They were NEVER at the table.

“It’s been over a month we've been planning this. We will do this in the future. We'll do this again. But it would have been in bad taste to do today."

Bomb plot suspect Brandon Baxter came to a Jobs with Justice “spring training” event this year to learn about non-violent action, she said.

"When you're in a movement, you can't kick people out when they are volunteers," Kline said. "These five were acting on their own, they didn't have any part of the greater movement."

"There are ‘fringey’ people all over the place."

View full sizeThomas Ondrey, The Plain DealerThe Ohio 82 bridge as it crosses the Cuyahoga River in Cuyahoga Valley National Park in Brecksville. The FBI arrested five men this week in connection with a plot to blow up the bridge today for May Day protests.

The FBI arrested Baxter and four others Monday evening, saying they had planted what were believed to be explosive devices under the Ohio 82 bridge over Cuyahoga Valley National Park as part of a May Day protest today.

The five men were “self-proclaimed anarchists,” who intended to detonate two improvised explosive devices (IEDs) under the bridge in Sagamore Hills, but had purchased the inert devices from undercover FBI agents, officials said

Also arrested by the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force and charged with conspiracy and attempted use of explosive materials were: Douglas Wright, 26 and Anthony Hayne, 35.

Wright had also talked about "getting a car that they can drive into the Federal Reserve Bank" in Cleveland to blow it up, according to an affidavit from FBI Special Agent Ryan Taylor. (See the affidavit in the DocumentCloud reader below.)

“Despite the defendants’ worst intentions and aims during the entire course of yesterday’s operation, the public was never in danger,” Dettelbach said. “The defendants never possessed at any time any really explosive materials and the arrests warrants were signed before they got in the car and went to the bridge.”

Also arrested, but not charged, were Connor Stevens, 20 and Joshua Stafford, 23. Anthony said Stevens and Stafford were currently being charged, officials said.

Meanwhile, the Cuyahoga Valley National Park issued a news release this afternoon saying that park rangers worked with FBI during the course of the investigation and that “park visitors were not at risk during the operation.”

“At no time were the Brecksville Station or the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad considered targets for the plot,” the news release said.

The national park encompasses 33,000 acres along the Cuyahoga River between Cleveland and Akron, Ohio.

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson also issued the following statement: “I would like to express my appreciation to FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Stephen D. Anthony and the Cleveland Office of the FBI for their diligence in identifying and exposing a potential threat to our community, and for keeping Cleveland's safety leadership informed on the progress of the investigation.”

Reporter Rachel Dissell contributed to this story.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: cleveland; cultureofcorruption; democratscandals; dncbrownshirts; donutwatch; doublestandard; electionviolence; itcanhappenhere; nothingtoseehere; occubots; occupycleveland; occupywallstreet; occutardation; occutards; occuturds; ohio
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The Ohio 82 bridge as it crosses the Cuyahoga River in Cuyahoga Valley National Park in Brecksville.
The FBI arrested five men this week in connection with a plot to blow up the bridge today for May Day protests.


1 posted on 05/01/2012 2:26:32 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Occupy Cleveland movement... is not under federal investigation.

What? Why the hell isn't it?

2 posted on 05/01/2012 2:29:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

..can’t have the FBI investigating one of Pelosi’s groups she supports.....she said so


3 posted on 05/01/2012 2:31:23 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Obama's FBI knows that all five arrested in this domestic bombing conspiracy were members of the same leftwing political organization. So, on the day of the arrests, they announce that that same organization will not be investigated!

Nothing fishy there. They still investigating Brietbart?

4 posted on 05/01/2012 2:31:43 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

5 posted on 05/01/2012 2:33:38 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Behold the power of stupid.

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6 posted on 05/01/2012 2:34:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Pinging the lists as a FYI!
Bridge bomb plot: FBI says Occupy Cleveland not under investigation though suspects were actively involved in group.


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7 posted on 05/01/2012 2:34:10 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("All 57 states must stand together and defeat O-bozo! VOTE the usurper out!!")
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To: Las Vegas Dave

When I was in college, I had a professor who was considered something of a radical. I remember he once mentioned that he would sometimes by followed by the KKK, but then they would be followed by the FBI. Sort of a little parade.

I later read that there were actually more FBI agents investigating the Klan than there were members of the Klan. I suspect they were investigating groups but I must be wrong.

I remember once that an entire operation by some rightwing group had been conducted by FBI informants. There were so many of them that some did not know what the others were doing.


8 posted on 05/01/2012 2:34:19 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: BenLurkin

I’m guessing the FBI was heavily involved and watching the group all along.


9 posted on 05/01/2012 2:36:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed.

If that is not the case then Ameridca is in deep doo doo.


10 posted on 05/01/2012 2:38:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin
What? Why the hell isn't it?

Because they're Federal contractors.

11 posted on 05/01/2012 2:39:42 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Well, it could be true. But it could equally be disinformation if they really are looking into the group.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 2:40:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dead

The Feds lie as easily as you and I breathe.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 2:41:02 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BenLurkin

“Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group,”

Well.....unless we find somebody tied to the Tea Party......


14 posted on 05/01/2012 2:43:45 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
"..Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group,.." Back in Hoover's day when Russia and other communist countries were exerting their influence throughout the free world, the FBI investigated groups and individuals and had great success. They did not blabbermouth to all the world who was being investigated and who was not. They had some of their greatest success from infiltrating subversive organizations. Obviously they are in need of tightening up their ship and going into the archives to pick some old but still usable methods and techniques.
15 posted on 05/01/2012 2:45:07 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: BenLurkin
Steven M. Dettelbach, U.S Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio. "We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals."

Dettelbach is an obama appointee

16 posted on 05/01/2012 2:46:05 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Occupy violence is flaring up all over the country but those dang TEA Partiers are the domestic terrorists


17 posted on 05/01/2012 2:54:43 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals.”

It’s hard to fix stupid!


18 posted on 05/01/2012 2:57:20 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Follow the money on both sides of the border.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Working for the FBI nowadays must be like the fictional inspector character Arkady Renko, in the novels by Martin Cruz Smith.
A good man in a corrupt, political situation.
No I don’t know why the “don’t blow the whistle” if they are “good men”.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 3:02:04 PM PDT by BilLies (If FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS had a son, he would look just like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ah, the FBI and the JustUs department. Obama’s toilet paper.


20 posted on 05/01/2012 3:03:21 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I sure hope the dem dickwads who run Cleveland coddle these occupy losers and let them camp and sleep in the Public Square this year. Just clear them out and keep them out.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 3:09:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I sure hope the dem dickwads who run Cleveland coddle these occupy losers and let them camp and sleep in the Public Square this year. Just clear them out and keep them out.


22 posted on 05/01/2012 3:09:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Route 82 is a major road and there would have been deaths had they managed to blow this bridge. I hope they charge these a-holes with attempted murder and put them away forever.

Kind of crucify them, to use an EPA analogy.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 3:21:04 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: cripplecreek
I can't believe there is an Occupy Cleveland Group. They should forget jail and send them to a sanitarium. Geez Cleveland.
24 posted on 05/01/2012 3:27:18 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
...but had purchased the inert devices from undercover FBI agents, officials said.

Freeloaders aren't very bright.

25 posted on 05/01/2012 3:29:23 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

One of the stories I read said they had a whole list of potential targets including hospitals, schools, klan gatherings etc.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 3:34:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Recon Dad
I can't believe there is an Occupy Cleveland Group.

IF heavy dem and union city THEN Occupy Group.

27 posted on 05/01/2012 3:38:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: cripplecreek
klan gatherings

Klan meetings in Cleveland? What neighborhood, I wonder.

28 posted on 05/01/2012 3:40:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“There is no credible evidence so far that this attack was more than at least one person, the driver,” said Mayor Mike Bloomberg. “After that there is no evidence that anyone else was involved. It may be, but we can’t say that it is.”…

“If I had to guess, twenty five cents, this would be exactly that,” Bloomberg said. “Homegrown maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.”


29 posted on 05/01/2012 3:47:04 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: cripplecreek

I made a meme out of that. The “OccupyPrison” part might fly, but the part about what’s now getting “occupied” there would be zot-bait.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 3:47:43 PM PDT by E Rocc (November 2, 2010: The beginning of the end of the kleptocracy.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

This story lists law enforcement, oil wells, cargo ships, and a casino.

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-5-men-charged-ohio-bridge-bomb-plot-193737490.html


31 posted on 05/01/2012 3:48:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
"Let me be clear, the FBI and Department of Justice are not conducting an investigation of any specific group," said Steven M. Dettelbach

Sounds like an Obama appointee. Can anyone in government or the media go a day without using that phrase?

32 posted on 05/01/2012 3:51:12 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: cripplecreek

Pretty ambitious list for a bunch who are likely baffled by the technical intricacies of the “flaming bag of dog poop” prank.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 3:52:03 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Their brilliant plan included throwing tacks out of the car if police chased them. lol

“To prevent capture, he suggested getting tacks that they could throw out of the back of the car if they get caught in a chase.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2878557/posts


34 posted on 05/01/2012 3:57:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Hell they were probably Federally funded, Bela Pelosi probably buried it in her Stationary budget.
35 posted on 05/01/2012 4:09:46 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Las Vegas Dave, sidebars and FRarchives:
36 posted on 05/01/2012 4:10:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: yarddog

You keep remembering and reading basically WRONG stuff.

The total number of FBI agents in the US ranged between 3,000-5,000 (which included non-field agents). The KKK and related groups had many thousands of members at any one time (say 1960-70s when it went into decline, due, in part to the 1965 hearings by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities which exposed the Klan as the violent, hate group that it is).

The FBI couldn’t assign 3,000 agents to monitor the Klan, etc. That’s not how surveillance/intelligence investigations work. Been there, done that. Most agents worked on organized crime, interstate crimes, esp. kidnappings, bank robberies, hijackings, Soviet and Soviet Bloc and Red Chinese espionage, white collar crime, and aid local police at times.

THere was one radical organization that actually did have several FBI agents or informants in it but that was an anomaly (depended on the possible threat that the group posed and its size). Sometimes the police ran their own intell ops when they perceived a local threat. Been there, done that, only it was another private group that did the infiltrating on its own. The ENTIRE OPERATION, in both cases, consisted of about 12 people, and in my case, consisted of several very violent SDSers.

AND they were not supposed to know what the others were doing. Independently sourced intelligence is much better than single-source intelligence. Been there, done that.

Since you know and remember so much, here’s a story you can add to your repetoire. I was working for a govt agency (ies) and testified about a person who later turned out to be a local police officer in another city. He later testified before Congress about what he had learned, about 6-12 months after my cover was broken so that I could testify before Congress (about radicals/violence/communist domination of key national groups/KGB ties, etc).

This officer provided inside information on a very important Chicago group that I could not have provided since I didn’t operate there. He also provided information which expanded on what I had said about several organizations.

Two independent sources are much better than one.

Remember that, if you will.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 4:20:26 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“God bless them for their spontaneity,It’s young, it’s spontaneous, it’s focused and it’s going to be effective.”


38 posted on 05/01/2012 4:21:19 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I have no idea how many people were in the KKK but I am sure I read that from a normal source. It could have been wrong but I am not wrong about it being reported.

Now the one about the FBI having informants who operated an entire operation from within some radical group by accident, I am certain was widely reported.

I don’t care if you are J. Edgar himself, I just repeated what I read. At one time I would have trusted the FBI to an extreme degree and that trust was probably justified.

Now I think they are a bunch of clowns. Well actually there probably are lots of good ones left however I personally witnessed a bunch of FBI agents behaving like trash during the 60’s.


39 posted on 05/01/2012 4:33:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: virgil

> “We do not investigate movements or groups

Unless they are the Tea Party, the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, or any other anti-Abortion-murder, anti-unnatural-marriage, anti-tax, anti-democrat, or anti-0bamao group.


40 posted on 05/01/2012 4:51:33 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

...””We do not investigate movements or groups, we investigate individuals...”

That’s your problem right there!


41 posted on 05/01/2012 4:56:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: BenLurkin

“What? Why the hell isn’t it? “

Do you really believe anyone in government?


42 posted on 05/01/2012 4:57:23 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: BenLurkin

Probably because they have confidential informants and sources close to or inside various “Occupy” movements or (more likely) the anarchist and black flag types who are now attaching themselves to the Occupy movements.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 5:05:58 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: BenLurkin
They will investigate the Cleveland Teaparty instead
44 posted on 05/01/2012 5:07:25 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

More info:

“OHIO BOMB PLOTTERS Seen At #Occupy Cleveland Protests >>>VIDEO”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/ohio-bomb-plotters-seen-at-occupy-cleveland-protests-video/


45 posted on 05/01/2012 5:26:24 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: yarddog

First mistake: Don’t believe everything you read. I have been a reporter/journalist for over 40 years, and have seen just about every type of pisspoor reporting from all sides, even being the subject of one libelous story (what I did to that newspaper is for another day, but it was fun).

I worked with the FBI and the two agents, during Hoover’s time, were extremely professional and knowledgeable in their field. I have known other FBI, CIA, and military intelligence agents, and have found them to be professionals, dedicated patriots, and very rational people.

If I mentioned some of their names, you would recognize them; others you wouldn’t but they probably prevented WW3 - my contacts went way up the food chain in spooksville, from Nam to Berlin, Latin America to the Weathermen.

I’ll just mention a couple who you will find at Google, etc. - Herb “I Led Three Lives” Philbrick; Larry Gratwohl - Weather Underground; Tom West and Irvin Bock, Chicago PD; Larry Sulc, CIA; Herb Romerstein, NY state investigator, HCUA, HISC, Senate Intelligence Committee, State Dept/USIA Soviet Propaganda section; Whittaker Chambers, KGB/GRU, CPUSA, etc.

Whatever is wrong with the FBI today is due to the politicization of it and the CIA by Obama, pure and simple. If you know where to look, you’ll see what I mean.

Most newspaper writers are NOT trained in intelligence and police matters. The few good ones, like Fred Reed, are retired and there are literally no “police beat” reporters anymore.

To often they write a story and miss half of it. Not always their fault but a rush to judgment and a lack of background fundamentals of the subjects (i.e. intelligence, police methodology, the criminal justice system, our enemies and their tactics, and media bias), provide the average reader with average to poor stories, aka “junk”.

I got a degree in Police Science specifically to enhance my writing on law enforcement, terrorism, and internal security. My classmates, all law enforcement people, provided real-time comments and information, and all my teachers were either criminal lawyers, judges, retired FBI (one was the man who helped capture the German saboteurs who landed in New Jersey during WW2), active duty police officers, etc.

You’d be amazed what you DON’T KNOW when you start to write about police matters and internal security affairs. It takes decades to really learn the basics and nuances of the subject and how to write accurately about it.

Oh, attend a Klan/Nazi rally if you really want an education. Those today are nothing like those of the past, but you can get a glimpse of their mentally ill state. Then attend a communist or related leftist extremist organization’s meeting/rally, and you will find the same thing. Been there, done that.

About an informant who operated an entire operation - so what. Some radical groups were so disorganized that it made surveillance easier of some kind of structural form was given to the group. Been there, done that.

It is the goal of that group that is important, and the hidden identity of those who really run it. That’s what opened my eyes, but the mainstream media totally refused to report it despite many congressional hearings and reports, including live inside witnesses testimony.

Be glad we have the FBI and not the KGB. Too many of my friends spent time in Soviet torture centers (Lubyanka prison), and the Gulags of the Trans-Siberian Railroad system ( i.e. Potma)or in Murmansk-Archangel salt mines such as Vorkutka.

Yarddog: You’ve got a lot to learn about the real world. Open the door and enter it, if you to “see”.

Now: About Vietnam and Cambodia. Been there, done that. but it’s another story for another day.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 5:43:12 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Well I am surprised that I actually agree with just about every thing you said. I used to watch “I led 3 lives” when I was a kid.

I certainly did not know any of the famous people you did but I have known and worked with some people who were about as deep into counter-intelligence as one gets tho of course they never gave me any details.

During the 60s, I spent a couple of weeks being around a bunch of FBI agents and they were not impressive at all. I personally had some dealings with an FBI supervisor and he was about as sorry as they get. I had grown up watching “The FBI, with Efrim Zimbalist Jr.” and thought they about walked on water.

I ended up seizing his ranch and as far as I know, he never suffered any repercussions for his misbehavior.


47 posted on 05/01/2012 6:00:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: cripplecreek

You just knew channeling Boy George was going to add up to no good.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 6:26:52 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Las Vegas Dave

These guys look just like some of my favorite meth heads on this site:

http://www.mappsd.org/Faces%20of%20Meth-Static2.htm


49 posted on 05/01/2012 6:30:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The media usually get’s 1/5th of the story correct if it’s more complicated than a hit and run or stop and rob incident.

Everyone is a talking head these days...... I rarely watch cable news but we were cooped up with inclement weather on the day of the Virginia Tech shooting incident. I was so disgusted with the news coverage and the comments made by “experts” on television.

It is pointless to debate about these topics when so few facts are known. An affidavit to support these arrests is sealed by the court. It is probably hundreds of pages long (single spaced) and spans all kinds of investigative procedures and techniques. Too often, including on this forum, you get people who seem to think the arresting document is contained within the news article written by some young hack. Too many people form an opinion based on the initial coverage and rarely change it when new facts come to light.

Law enforcement in America at every level suffers from diarrhea of the mouth in the quest for good publicity. It’s not necessary to tell the media a GPS tracker was put on the burglars car and detectives used that to follow him/her and catch them red-handed. The wiser men of yesteryear would simply say “we had him under surveillance”. Trackers are expensive. This is why affidavits like this should be sealed, these are extremely comprehensive investigations that will be critically reviewed throughout the process. Conspiracy minded folks neglect the FACT that the defense attorney, his defense colleagues, defense investigators, and any other expert they wish to employ are all free to scrutinize the facts contained within the four corners of the affidavit. The Judge and the appeals court are not an easy audience either!

You sound like you would be an interesting man at choir practice.


50 posted on 05/01/2012 6:31:06 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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