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1 posted on 04/30/2012 5:16:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
No wonder we are turning to robots and UAVs ~ FOR EVERYTHING!!

This plane may well have outlived the technological cycle where it may have made sense.

2 posted on 04/30/2012 5:22:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin; zot

What is there for a replacement for F-35 if it is dropped?

the FA-18 should have a long life ahead of it. I think the F-16 is still being produced. What was the F-35’s competitor? Of course folks will say: “why produce it, it lost the competition.”

And it is past time to restart the F-22 production line, although it is an air superority fighter, we’ll need more of them.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 5:26:41 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaslin

As a pianist, I’m bound to say this is rather an insult to my instrument.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 5:27:03 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Kaslin

How disappointing—I thought I was going to read about actual pianos that fly while you play them. Now THAT would be worth the expense.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 5:29:39 AM PDT by Méabh
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Imagine that in the aftermath of the Civil War the railshops around the country had gotten together with Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to build an "Advanced Strike Freight Train" which could carry ten times the load of ammunition on half the flat cars and still deliver a company of troops into "the heart of an enemy emplacement' at near supersonic speed.

Each service would get a core model enhanced with elements specific to their needs ~ Army would have fore and aft mounted artillery pieces, the Navy would need two engines ~ one for "on board" tasks and the other to be used as a plug-in module to supplement the main steam system on ships of the line.

The Marines, though, would have both a fore an aft engine, with 1 artillery piece, a full-time "live aboard' company with bayonets at the ready lining the flatcars ~ and would burn wood ~ a proven and reliable energy source.

Army and Navy would, of course, take the big jump into the more risky coal fired variants.

6 posted on 04/30/2012 5:30:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Scrap the sucker and go ahead full speed with the F-22.

And do not sell the Raptor to ANYBODY other than US forces.

7 posted on 04/30/2012 5:31:06 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Kaslin

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/ww1/images/08.jpg ~ almost forgot, the Kaiser’s High Command actually moved ahead with these concepts ~


8 posted on 04/30/2012 5:34:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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A good article. I’ve long had the feeling that the F-35 was a basically good initial design that has been compromised by being asked to do too many things. No single design can do everything, and efforts to break that rule usually end up with a mediocre plane that does nothing particularly well, and/or a project that ends up costing far, far more than it was ever supposed to.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 5:37:15 AM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: Kaslin
It's OK.

It's all going to aerospace union members.

10 posted on 04/30/2012 5:37:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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How much were the per unit cost of the much better pure fighter F-22 Raptures?

Why not have bought a lot more of them and a lot of F-16s, A-10s and F-18s for ground pounding?

11 posted on 04/30/2012 5:44:03 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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Five minutes of analysis would have been enough to determine that this program was going to be a disaster.

A plane can’t be STOVL and Long Range and Stealth and Supersonic and High Payload and Agile and Fight.

If you need STOVL, you trade off speed, range, payload and agility, because the vertical thrust components are going to be too much to carry on a on a fast agile fighter. The needs of supersonic travel and STOVL are simply incompatible.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 5:45:27 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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F-111, they never learn.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 5:48:23 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: Kaslin

Ah, the last time we had a technological goat rope was under McNamara (the “genius” behind the Edsel and the World Bank).

His product?

The F-111...a do all for the USAF and Navy.

The Navy rightly rejected it and the USAF put up with it as a bomber (sort of) for many years.

It wasn’t really a bad plane...but it was trying to be an “everything”...with predictable results.


18 posted on 04/30/2012 6:38:10 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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DOD "One Size Fits None!" BTTT...
21 posted on 04/30/2012 6:55:01 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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SCRAP IT! Jump to the next generation design, build more F-15SEs at 1/3 to 1/4 the cost, bolster them with F-22s built on contract by someone OTHER THAN Lockheed who are liars and couldn’t build a balsa model without cost overruns and that doesn’t asphyxiate the pilots.

A proper run of F-15SE and F-22 is nothing but a manufacturing process now. If you must have a air superiority fighter for the Navy, you don’t now and won’t with the F-35, fix the F-22 for the role. This has been conceived as workable. The F-15E has a confirmed record of being a very versatile, high performance truck that can still fight in and out from the target.

The Navy’s FA-18 program is going well and it seems to be a good airplane. Consider the builder... the old MD plant builds good airplanes. Boeing did themselves no favors over the tanker fraud but they still build good airplanes. Change the contracts, incentivize them and refuse delivery for anything that does not meet standards. The job will get done.

A good start would be about 10 new squadrons worth of each mark of the F-15SE and the F-22... 500 new airplanes that we desperately need. Our old ones are falling apart.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 7:35:50 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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Is it impossible to fit the F-22 for Carrier operations?

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-230209-1.html


27 posted on 04/30/2012 7:56:09 AM PDT by cookcounty (We need Newt. The Black Belt Jaw-jitsu Master!)
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Who are the sponsors? Names please..............

(The House voted Wednesday) to stop funding for an alternative engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter – a program Defense Secretary Robert Gates called 'unnecessary.' But his arm-twisting of Congress is far from finished. February 16, 2011

29 posted on 04/30/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by yoe
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"Flying Piano"

That reminds of the favorite saying of an old Crew Chief friend of mine: "The F-4 is proof positive that given enough thrust even a couch can fly"

32 posted on 04/30/2012 11:35:58 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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"Flying Piano" Costs Pentagon Taxpayer $1.5 Trillion
33 posted on 04/30/2012 11:59:55 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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