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To: marktwain
I also believed, as I’ve written, that “untrained individuals like Zimmerman have no business packing heat, nor confronting strangers they deem suspicious. Trouble didn’t come to George Zimmerman; he went looking for it. At minimum, he acted like a damn fool.”

GZ DID follow TM, but broke it off. I see no evidence that GZ followed TM to point of contact or confrontation. I see no evidence this was at any point his intention. He followed and watched him to a point where his concerns caused him to call 911.

13 posted on 04/29/2012 6:47:37 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

I firmly believe that Martin ducked off behind one of the houses off the sidewalk the runs down the middle rear of the condos and waited for GZ to run past. He had every opportunity to get home, safe and sound, call the police or his parents and GZ would have never seen where he went.

But he stayed, hidden, and when GZ returned, walking back to his truck to meet police, Martin ambushed him at the T-intersection of the sidewalks.

So depending on how far the curtilage extends on these houses, it can be argued that Martin was trespassing and did not have a legal right to be where he was.


15 posted on 04/29/2012 6:59:24 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: umgud

I firmly believe that Martin ducked off behind one of the houses off the sidewalk the runs down the middle rear of the condos and waited for GZ to run past. He had every opportunity to get home, safe and sound, call the police or his parents and GZ would have never seen where he went.

But he stayed, hidden, and when GZ returned, walking back to his truck to meet police, Martin ambushed him at the T-intersection of the sidewalks.

So depending on how far the curtilage extends on these houses, it can be argued that Martin was trespassing and did not have a legal right to be where he was.


18 posted on 04/29/2012 7:12:27 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: umgud
He followed and watched him to a point where his concerns caused him to call 911.

Just for the record - George Zimmerman never called 911. He called the non-emergency phone number for the Sanford Police (Zimmerman knew what he was doing and this wasn't an emergency). Although the media can't seem to understand that, the State of Florida certainly does. The charging affidavit for Second Degree Murder is quite specific that Zimmerman spoke with a 'police dispatcher,' although it later refers to 911 calls made by others.

The City of Sanford made it quite clear in the FAQ letter issued to the public, twice. The first time when it said:

In this instance, the 911 calls made by neighbors in the subdivision, and the non-emergency call made by Mr. Zimmerman are all key to the investigation by Sanford Police Department.

The second time when it called the individual Zimmerman spoke with a telecommunications call taker and not a 911 operator:

[T]he telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman “are you following him”. Zimmerman replied, “yes”. The call taker stated “you don’t need to do that”. The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow.

You'll note the media seems to have missed the part about the suggestion not being a lawful order, as well as the fact it wasn't a 911 call.

32 posted on 04/29/2012 11:40:33 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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