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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt - Republican conservatives can't handle the truth about Romney
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | April 27, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 04/27/2012 6:57:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

Tom Hoefling

April 27, 2012

I deal on a regular daily basis with self-identified conservatives all across America who are addicted to the Republican Party. And when it comes to the impending nomination by their party of the most liberal governor in U.S. history, Mitt Romney, their reactions are overwhelmingly in line with the classic symptoms described below. We can't make them face reality, of course. All we can do is to keep pointing it out to them, in the sincere hope that they will recover in time to help save the country. 

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From Wikipedia :

Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may use:

The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. Where denial occurs in mature minds, it is most often associated with death, dying and rape.

Denial of fact

In this form of denial, someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yessing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies to avoid facts they think may be painful to themselves or others.

Denial of responsibility

This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by:

Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.

For example: Troy breaks up with his girlfriend because he is unable to control his anger, and then blames her for everything that ever happened.

Denial of impact

Denial of impact involves a person's avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms of his or her behavior has caused to self or others, i.e. denial of the consequences. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.

Denial of awareness

This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness (such as alcohol or drug intoxication or on occasion mental health related). This type of denial often overlaps with denial of responsibility.

Denial of cycle

Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, "it just happened". Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior (see above).

Denial of denial

This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one's personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion. Denial at this level can have significant consequences both personally and at a societal level.

DARVO

Harassment covers a wide range of offensive behaviour. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset. In the legal sense, it is behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

DARVO is an acronym to describe a common strategy of abusers: Deny the abuse, then Attack the victim for attempting to make them accountable for their offense, thereby Reversing Victim and Offender.

Psychologist Jennifer Freyd writes:

...I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower's credibility, and so on. The attack will often take the form of focusing on ridiculing the person who attempts to hold the offender accountable. [...] [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed. [...] The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense.




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To: EternalVigilance

Most of us know that the Establishment has given us a lemon for a candidate. Romney is a political chamelion who has no core beliefs other than his own ambition. My home state has a primary on May 8 and I won’t be voting for him in the primary. I still haven’t given up on a brokered convention.


221 posted on 04/27/2012 9:40:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Baynative

Assumed what???


222 posted on 04/27/2012 9:45:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: EternalVigilance
The “gap” is..

I think your statement here illustrates or exemplifies my point.

223 posted on 04/27/2012 9:50:05 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: EternalVigilance
morally relativistic arguments.

I don't argue for moral relativism as I believe it is a false position, philosophicalyl and metaphysically. Moral relativistism is a term with a quite different meaning than you use in this context; and I believe, is therefore a non sequitur in response to our debate here.

224 posted on 04/27/2012 9:54:58 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Your belief that one candidate’s obvious bad traits justify voting for another candidate with obviously bad traits, illustrates mine.

One other thing: I’ve been involved in campaigns for a couple of decades, and I can say with a high level of certainty that a candidate whose supporters have to admit every five seconds that he stinks to high heaven probably isn’t going to fare well in the election.

Which sort of moots your whole argument, you know?


225 posted on 04/27/2012 9:58:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: D-fendr

Lesser of two evils arguments are the epitome of moral relativism.


226 posted on 04/27/2012 9:59:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: EternalVigilance

No, look up moral relativism.

All things in relation to each other are relative. But moral relativism is quite a different meaning and concept.


227 posted on 04/27/2012 10:10:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Let me restate my position:

I do not believe this free republic can possibly be saved until and unless conservatives return to a principled position, one based solely on the nation's founding moral premises, and refuse to any longer compromise them for anyone, or for any perceived politically expedient reasons.

"If, to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disprove, how can we afterwards defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and the honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God."

-- George Washington

A vote for Mitt Romney is the exact opposite of that.

And it isn't just that it empowers that lying socialist. It's that it corrupts those who have compromised to support him.

With his impending nomination, we're already seeing that corruption showing up all over the place. Including FR.

Nutritionally you are what you eat. Politically you are who and what you endorse. There's no avoiding it.

228 posted on 04/27/2012 10:13:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: D-fendr

A distinction without a difference. It amounts to exactly the same thing: the denial of self-evident truth, the destruction of reason, the abandonment of moral principle.


229 posted on 04/27/2012 10:15:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism. Even Jimmy Carter can be comfortable with it.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; EternalVigilance
The sole reason, as you cited, is the Constitution Party’s unfortunate prior paleo/libertarian stance on foreign policy/defense, but I think with Goode’s nomination, it moves it away from that to a more reasonable and sensible stance.

I sure hope so, but from the sound of this statement right here, Goode may have changed his stances at least somewhat to accommodate them. Quote: "Goode says that he regrets his vote for the Patriot Act and now wants it repealed. He also wants to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan." http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/04/virgil-goode-speech-on-c-span/


230 posted on 04/27/2012 10:26:51 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Our Joe Wilson can take the Dems' Joe Wilson any day of the week)
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To: Shery

We did start a conservative party. It is the Republican Party. Help us get/keep control of it, and get more conservative candidates in the House and Senate (and various state offices), please.


231 posted on 04/27/2012 10:40:01 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: netmilsmom
When the anti-mormon posters come in, I’m out.

Why is that?


  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
 
 (The Seer, p. 255  Orson Pratt )

232 posted on 04/28/2012 4:34:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tarantulas
A Republican President, even one with many imperfections, would be infinitely better than a second Obama term. Possibly; but would he be ETERNALLY better?
233 posted on 04/28/2012 4:36:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
If the facts are wrong please refute them.

Good luck with THIS!

234 posted on 04/28/2012 4:37:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
New campaign strategy: Vote Mitt because he could be worse.
After all, he's not Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Khan, or Hitler.

Vote Mitt - he could always be worse.


Logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.
 
1. Ad Hominem - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.
Example: You are so stupid your argument couldn't possibly be true.
Example: I figured that you couldn't possibly get it right, so I ignored your comment.
 
2. Appeal to Force - Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument.
Example: If you don't want to get beaten up, you will agree with what I say.
Example: Convert or die.
 
3. Appeal to Pity - Urging the hearer to accept the argument based upon an appeal to emotions, sympathy, etc.
Example: You owe me big time because I really stuck my neck out for you.
Example: Oh come on, I've been sick. That's why I missed the deadline.
 
4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?
 
5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.
 
6. Begging the Question - Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular.
Example: God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, we know that God exists.
Example: I am a good worker because Frank says so. How can we trust Frank? Simple: I will vouch for him.
 
7. Cause and Effect - Assuming that the effect is related to a cause because the events occur together.
Example: When the rooster crows, the sun rises. Therefore, the rooster causes the sun to rise.
Example: When the fuel light goes on in my car, I soon run out of gas. Therefore, the fuel light causes my car to run out of gas.
 
8. Circular Argument - See Begging the Question
Fallacy of Division - Assuming that what is true of the whole is true for the parts.
Example: That car is blue. Therefore, its engine is blue.
Example: Your family is weird. That means that you are weird too.
 
9. Fallacy of Equivocation - Using the same term in an argument in different places but the word has different meanings.
Example: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Therefore, a bird is worth more than President Bush.
Example: Evolution states that one species can change into another. We see that cars have evolved into different styles. Therefore, since evolution is a fact in cars, it is true in species.
 
10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: You either did knock the glass over or you did not. Which is it? (Someone else could have knocked the glass over)
Example: Do you still beat your wife?
 
11. Genetic Fallacy - Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim.
Example: The Nazi regime developed the Volkswagen Beetle. Therefore, you should not buy a VW Beetle because of who started it.
Example: Frank just got out of jail last year; since it was his idea to start the hardware store, I can't trust him.
 
12. Guilt by Association - Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another.
Example: Hitler liked dogs. Therefore dogs are bad.
Example: Your friend is a thief. Therefore, I cannot trust you.
 
13. Non Sequitur - Comments or information that do not logically follow from a premise or the conclusion.
Example: We know why it rained today: because I washed my car.
Example: I don't care what you say. We don't need any more bookshelves. As long as the carpet is clean, we are fine.
 
14. Poisoning the Well - Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument.
Example: Frank is pompous, arrogant, and thinks he knows everything. So, let's hear what Frank has to say about the subject.
Example: Don't listen to him because he is a loser.
 
15. Red Herring - Introducing a topic not related to the subject at hand.
Example: I know your car isn't working right. But, if you had gone to the store one day earlier, you'd not be having problems.
Example: I know I forgot to deposit the check into the bank yesterday. But, nothing I do pleases you.
 
16. Special Pleading (double standard) - Applying a standard to another that is different from a standard applied to oneself.
Example: You can't possibly understand menopause because you are a man.
Example: Those rules don't apply to me since I am older than you.
 
17. Straw Man Argument - Producing an argument about a weaker representation of the truth and attacking it.
Example: The government doesn't take care of the poor because it doesn't have a tax specifically to support the poor.
Example: We know that evolution is false because we did not evolve from monkeys.
 
18. Category Mistake - Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. Attributing facts of one kind are attributed to another kind. Attributing to one category that which can only be properly attributed to another.
Example: Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday.
Example: Saying logic is transcendental is like saying cars would exist if matter didn't.

235 posted on 04/28/2012 4:39:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: El Gato
Do you also propose an IQ test for voters?

So many vote their EMOTIONS instead of their LOGIC.

Just like Saturday horse race bettors.

236 posted on 04/28/2012 4:41:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Yeah, I was worried you wouldn’t get the humor.

This happens to me all the time.

Both as sender and recipient.

237 posted on 04/28/2012 4:43:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Really, how many times is this red herring argument gonna be thrown out ?

Until reply #235...

238 posted on 04/28/2012 4:47:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EternalVigilance

You have a bumper sticker here!


239 posted on 04/28/2012 4:48:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: A. Patriot
Maybe Romney is just further judgment on our nation from God which we mightily deserve IMHO.

INDEED!

240 posted on 04/28/2012 4:50:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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