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Should People Be Allowed to Carry Guns Openly?
usnews.com ^ | 24 April, 2012 | NA

Posted on 04/26/2012 9:17:28 AM PDT by marktwain

A bill currently making its way through the Oklahoma state legislature would allow citizens of the state to openly carry loaded handguns without a permit. Only six states and the District of Columbia expressly prohibit this practice, with the remaining states either specifically allowing open carry or having no law on the books prohibiting it. In recent years, the practice of openly carrying a gun has grown in popularity, as legislation that would permit it has been introduced in places like Texas, South Carolina, and Arkansas—some of the last states that have held out against it.

Proponents of open carry laws point to the Second Amendment as their justification, as open carry has never been ruled out of the Constitution in any court, and they argue that the practice is technically legal in every state that does not specifically prohibit it. They claim that weapons carried in plain sight act as a deterrent to would-be attackers and criminals, and they hold that those with malicious intent almost always conceal their weapons—a practice that is much more widely accepted.

Opponents of open carry say that relaxing attitudes toward publicly displayed guns would naturally lead to more violence and misuse of firearms. They claim that the Second Amendment does not justify open carry, and they hold that more guns out in the open will lead to more intimidation and less safety.

Should people be allowed to carry guns openly? Here’s the Debate Club’s take:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; ok; opencarry
The progressives have worked hard to delegitimize the carry of firearms for decades.
1 posted on 04/26/2012 9:17:41 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Should People Be Allowed to Carry Guns Openly?
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Why not? They do carry guns openly without any permitting process in Vermont, one of the most socialist states in the Union, and there are no daily shoot outs,
as direly predicted by the left and their whining
progessive commie supporters.

In fact Vermont crimes of personal violence, car jackings, and burglary of occupied homes are almost non existent compared to other states, relatively speaking.


2 posted on 04/26/2012 9:22:17 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: marktwain

Yes.


3 posted on 04/26/2012 9:26:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ten the hard way. (Day 14, -10 lbs.))
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To: marktwain

[[Should People Be Allowed to Carry Guns Openly?]]

No, we shoudl all passively go limp and allow people to bash our heads in agaisnt a sidewalk- after all, we wouldn’t want to upset the thugs, now would we?


4 posted on 04/26/2012 9:28:27 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: marktwain
Is this a rhetoric question? Open carry has been allowed in Arizona ever since I moved here 46 years ago.
5 posted on 04/26/2012 9:29:11 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: marktwain

One of the best reasons is so a person will not be prosecuted for inadvertently letting their concealed weapon to be seen.


6 posted on 04/26/2012 9:29:35 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: marktwain
Why, heck yes!

If you were a criminal about to snatch a purse, carjack someone or rob a quickie store and noticed law abiding citizens around you sporting their hoglegs....would ya take the chance?

How bout mom's or dad's walking their children to the bus stop with their legally displayed weapons holstered to their waist....would’ya try to snatch a kid?

What if you were in a gang of thugs about to pummel some innocent white guy to smithereens with bricks, chairs and golf clubs if you'd looked over to see bystanders carrying smoke wagons eyeballin ya....would ya?

7 posted on 04/26/2012 9:30:31 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: marktwain

All Americans who aren’t currently incarcerated should be allowed to carry firearms.


8 posted on 04/26/2012 9:31:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Residents of Idaho may carry a firearm openly, but very rarely do so unless engaged in hunting ungulates, coyotes, wolves, bears, and the like. A permit is required to carry a weapon concealed.


9 posted on 04/26/2012 9:34:15 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: marktwain

People are openly gay, why can’t they be openly armed?


10 posted on 04/26/2012 9:35:43 AM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: marktwain
It's a Right, to keep... and to BEAR arms. A Right which shall NOT be infringed.

This isn't rocket surgery. Open, concealed. Long gun or pocket pistol. Broad sword or a Howitzer...

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Anyone trying to restrict that Right under the guise of "public safety", "reasonable regulations", or some other fictitious boogeyman are taking away your freedom. Not just yours, but mine to.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've completely had it with those who are willing to accept their slave chains and demand that we do the same.

11 posted on 04/26/2012 9:36:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: marktwain

Although it is perfectly legal, I’d carry a 12 ga. shotgun with me everywhere I went, but I know that the LEOs would harass me to without mercy, so I don’t.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 9:39:26 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: marktwain
Should People Be Allowed to Carry Guns Openly?

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Absolutely.

13 posted on 04/26/2012 9:39:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Candor7
there are no daily shoot outs,

Yup. I live here in gun heavy rural Michigan and haven't personally witnessed a shooting in my nearly 50 years.

Just last summer there was a defensive stabbing near me. It turns out that the guy who stabbed his attacker was armed at the time and made a conscious choice to leave his gun holstered.
14 posted on 04/26/2012 9:43:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Dead Corpse
This isn't rocket surgery.

Haven't heard that one before. Now, rocket science and brain surgery...well that I have heard before. :-)

15 posted on 04/26/2012 9:47:53 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: marktwain

Of course. The big issue for me is concealed-carry without a permit. That’s the way it should be everywhere.


16 posted on 04/26/2012 9:48:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: BuffaloJack
Although it is perfectly legal, I’d carry a 12 ga. shotgun with me everywhere I went.

Agreed. I'm most comfortable with a long gun and have no problem with the idea of shopping with a rifle or shotgun slung over my shoulder.
17 posted on 04/26/2012 9:48:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: scripter; Dead Corpse
This isn't rocket surgery.

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I love it! It's perfect. :)

18 posted on 04/26/2012 9:55:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marktwain

allow???

The article went off the tracks at that point...


19 posted on 04/26/2012 9:56:15 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Dead Corpse

Open carry is legal here in NH, so I guess I could do so.

But I have a CCW, and see no point in giving away an advantage, so I’ll keep my .40 in the holster under my shirt.

As an aside, the places where you can easily carry are the places you don’t need to. I wonder why...


20 posted on 04/26/2012 9:57:54 AM PDT by benewton
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To: marktwain

Wrong question. The question should be rephrased as: Should the Government be allow to take away the rights and freedoms already protected by the Constitution and Bill of Rights by prohibiting the carry of firearms?


21 posted on 04/26/2012 9:58:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: marktwain

Importantly, easing up on gun laws has a lot of momentum right now, but the gun control nuts are looking for an opening, and will likely be able to muster a lot of money from their left wing billionaire friends in a hurry, as well as MSM support, for an “anti-gun reaction”.

So if states are thinking about easing their gun laws, now is the time, or they may find themselves facing a barrage of anti-gun propaganda and funding designed to overwhelm their state legislature. Legislators are not terribly strong, and turning up the heat on them can often make them decide to pull “contentious issues” off the front burner. And once momentum stalls, who knows how long it will be before it can be regained.

Importantly, reciprocity agreements with other states are also very important, because it makes things much harder to change back to the way they were. They are in effect treaties, that have to be renegotiated. For example, if OK made a reciprocity agreement with AZ, then any Oklahoman who traveled to AZ and got a piece of paper the state is handing out for its reciprocity agreements, the Oklahoman could carry both openly *and* concealed, *in* Oklahoma, without further problem, even if the OK legislature changed its mind.


22 posted on 04/26/2012 10:21:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: benewton
When the US was in a Cold War with the Soviet Union, did we win by projecting weakness? Or strength?

If you are a robber, are you going to rob the guy that looks weak and unarmed? Or the guy with the .460 XVR strapped to his leg?

A mix of both would really keep 'em guessing. "All those folks are strapped. Can't hit them... What about this guy? Oh crap! He's packing concealed! Damn..." *bang* *bang* *bang*

Happy days...

23 posted on 04/26/2012 10:27:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: cripplecreek

I would imagine its much the same in Wyoming. The left thinks they are on a roll.

But hardly.

They will soon reach the end of their leash.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 10:47:47 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: BuffaloJack

Maybe a Serbu Super Shorty would prove a manageable compromise.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 10:53:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: BuffaloJack; All
Although it is perfectly legal, I’d carry a 12 ga. shotgun with me everywhere I went, but I know that the LEOs would harass me to without mercy, so I don’t.

A clear example of the maxim that a right that is not exercised is lost.

26 posted on 04/26/2012 10:59:42 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: BuffaloJack

>Although it is perfectly legal, I’d carry a 12 ga. shotgun with me everywhere I went, but I know that the LEOs would harass me to without mercy, so I don’t.

If they did harass you about it they’d be committing a felony themselves: conspiracy against rights.
“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or **intimidate** any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District **in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution** or laws of the United States, **or because of his having so exercised the same**;”


27 posted on 04/26/2012 11:07:32 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain
Yes! In fact the law should be that if you are carrying a gun, you MUST display it! Better every one know, than wonder.

The simplest solution is to make ALL gun crimes federal crimes. IF you use a gun while committing a crime you spend 25 years in jail. And, if you fire the weapon while committing a crime you spend the rest of your natural life in jail.

PROBLEM WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!

28 posted on 04/26/2012 11:12:13 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: marktwain

“Be allowed?” It’s your right. It’s the law of the land of our nation.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 11:16:26 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: benewton

Which is the advantage: being able to surprise an attacker, or dissuading an attack? being slowed in drawing, or not having to draw at all (and drawing fastest if you have to)?


30 posted on 04/26/2012 11:28:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Why So Serious
"The simplest solution is to make ALL gun crimes federal crimes. IF you use a gun while committing a crime you spend 25 years in jail. And, if you fire the weapon while committing a crime you spend the rest of your natural life in jail.

PROBLEM WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!
"

Yep, since every American peasant is always breaking some law. Great idea! Make more laws. [Little irony and sarcasm there.] Besides, toward the end of the default process, nearly all of us will be peasants. Most of the so-called economy is running on debt.


31 posted on 04/26/2012 11:41:58 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

We had a case a couple of years ago where a man was arrested and jailed by Norfolk Police for open carry in a city park. Case went to the Virginia Supreme Court, where the ruling was that open carry is lawful by state law and municipalities cannot overrule the state law.


32 posted on 04/26/2012 11:47:34 AM PDT by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: 556x45
allow??? The article went off the tracks at that point...

Good point; perhaps the question should be frames, "Should "We the people" allow authorities to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights?

33 posted on 04/26/2012 12:10:54 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig

Yes, thats pretty much whats happening now. Note that the govt is all too happy to use force in this ‘contest’. They have no qualms about committing violence against those who oppose them peacefully. Despite MSM lies about gun owners being the bad guys anyone w/ a brain understands its armed govt agents and pols who fit that bill.


34 posted on 04/26/2012 1:07:05 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: marktwain

Of course. And swords if they want.


35 posted on 04/26/2012 1:37:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: familyop
I am not really for making new laws. I actually think that if we take the existing laws and then make sure that breaking those laws will carry a punishment that deters criminals we would be just fine.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich was sentenced to 14 years and the guy that killed Michael Jackson got five years. Seems like Blago would have been better off killing Michael Jackson. I am not crying for either person, but does the punishment seem correct.

I still say that if the law stated that if you fire a weapon in the commission of a crime you spend the rest of your natural life in jail. After all if you fire a weapon while committing a crime you have no business in society. This would make people think.

Do you know that from the time that FL passed it right to carry law violent crime dropped 23%, and since they passed the stand your ground law it dropped 53%. i think the number speak for themselves.

36 posted on 04/27/2012 7:24:20 AM PDT by Why So Serious (There is no cure for stupidity!!!)
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To: ctdonath2

Open carry? You may be the first taken out - from behind.

Concealed - first I get my family/friends and self down and covered then I can shoot. CWP makes you think. ;-)


37 posted on 04/27/2012 2:57:44 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54

Most all would-be attackers are looking for easy pickings. They see you with a gun, they’ll leave you alone. For what would attacking you when obviously armed be worth the risk?


38 posted on 04/27/2012 6:03:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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