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Washington sues Florida city over firefighter tests
Reuters ^ | Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:24pm EDT | Kevin Gray

Posted on 04/24/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by Mariner

(Reuters) - The Justice Department sued the city of Jacksonville, Florida, on Monday, claiming its use of written tests to determine promotions in the city's fire department discriminates against African-Americans.

The lawsuit followed a more than two-year investigation examining Jacksonville's record of promoting African-Americans for the ranks of lieutenant, captain, district chief and engineer dating back to 2004.

It came after a separate lawsuit filed last year by two dozen Jacksonville firefighters challenging the city's promotional process. In the lawsuit, the firefighters alleged union officials unfairly shared exam questions with white workers but not with black workers ahead of the test.

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If I were a Black man I would be ashamed.

Anyone who believes it's not appropriate to have a written test for officers and engineers is stupid.

There is a written test for every rank above E-3 in the military...will that be next?

1 posted on 04/24/2012 8:25:30 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

That bass turd Holder needs to be in jail. What a pig.


2 posted on 04/24/2012 8:28:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
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To: Mariner

If it weren’t for quotas and preferential hiring for minorities in the first place, they probably wouldn’t even be working for the department.


3 posted on 04/24/2012 8:29:50 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Mariner
If I were a Black man I would be ashamed.

Apparently if it is to their advantage, there is no shame. Rather people die because of incompetence then test for competence.

4 posted on 04/24/2012 8:31:38 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Mariner

Hey, if you’re the right color, and you can fog a mirror, you’ve got the job, baby!


5 posted on 04/24/2012 8:32:34 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Mariner
You're right. Are they ever going to have to read:

An operating manual for any of the gear they have/use? You know, little things like the fire engine, air breathing system, radios, GPS, AEDs, power saws, hydraulic assist tools, pneumatic lifts...

A training plan? You know, this is not a field where you want people learning on the job, doping it out as they go.

An emergency management coordination plan with other agencies for natural and/or man-made disasters?

If they can't handle reading a test, then they can't handle the required reading to be proficient at their job - good riddance. Yeah, I'm normally an easy going guy. But on this I cut people zero slack. These are literally life-and-death positions. No room for "good enough" here.

6 posted on 04/24/2012 8:39:17 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: doc1019
I see you served on DDG-16.

I served on DDG-22, USS Benjamin Stoddert.

What a truly fine ship those old Adams-class DDGs were.

They cut the water like a knife. Fantail but 8ft above the water line. 1200psi steam plant and could kick it up to 35kts in a pinch.

7 posted on 04/24/2012 8:40:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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So the government employee “Union” is accused of unfairly discriminating against black members in testing assistance....so somehow that is the fault of the City?

err...Am I the only one who perceives a logical disconnect?

8 posted on 04/24/2012 8:43:23 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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In New Jersey, they cut out the multiple choice testing because it was determined they were discriminatory to minorities. They went the essay route. This allows absolute discretion.


9 posted on 04/24/2012 8:45:22 PM PDT by o-n-money
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To: Mariner

Most beautiful ships the modern Navy ever produced.


10 posted on 04/24/2012 8:49:15 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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"Most beautiful ships the modern Navy ever produced."

Yes sir, the prettiest there ever was.

Downright pretty.

11 posted on 04/24/2012 8:53:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: FoxInSocks

Yep. For Example:

http://www.gazette.com/news/battalion-55762-comments-wives.html


12 posted on 04/24/2012 8:56:42 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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We need to eliminate the written exams required to become a surgeon, engineer or airline pilot, cuz tests be rasict.
13 posted on 04/24/2012 9:13:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mariner

I read the title and that is all I needed to know the complete story.


14 posted on 04/24/2012 9:46:29 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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How can a test discriminate against a race?

You either know what you are suppose to or you don’t. You either understand the information or you don’t. You either know how to read or you don’t.

I know numbers better than my own language, either that’s by genetics or it’s own lack of attention. Either way nobody will confuse me for an English professor. Should someone give me help because of either condition.. of course not.

That is the true issue and it disgusts me.


15 posted on 04/24/2012 10:55:59 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Mariner

How can a test discriminate against a race?

You either know what you are suppose to or you don’t. You either understand the information or you don’t. You either know how to read or you don’t.

I know numbers better than my own language, either that’s by genetics or it’s own lack of attention. Either way nobody will confuse me for an English professor. Should someone give me help because of either condition.. of course not.

That is the true issue and it disgusts me.


16 posted on 04/24/2012 10:56:16 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Travis McGee

Yep.

And who cares if the civil employee figuring the IV drip rate for your loved-one “passed” with 65% on the math portion of the entrance exam?

Math is discriminatory, and besides, it’s far more important that trainees learn to cook and appreciate the ethnic cuisine concocted within the socially diverse Fire-hive, than it is for them to be fit and competent.


17 posted on 04/24/2012 11:47:14 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Mariner

So, is AG Eric Holder making the case that requiring “his people” to read and understand what they read is RACIST? What is this moron smoking?

All candidates should be able to read and understand what they read. Since the tests are multiple choice, the candidates do not have to prove they can write. If that was the case, would the test be twice as racist?


18 posted on 04/24/2012 11:50:59 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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How can a test discriminate against a race?

Sh** like this tells me the ones complaining are the racist. They are saying that blacks(which is what the code word "minorities" really means)are too stupid to pass that regular tests and need to have a dumbed down test in order to pass. So who are the real racists here?

19 posted on 04/24/2012 11:57:00 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Travis McGee; Mariner
We need to eliminate the written exams required to become a surgeon, engineer or airline pilot, cuz tests be rasict.

The reason test for Fireman and Policemen have been attacked is because these are government jobs and there are more of these government jobs than pretty much any other. Another reason is that these are government jobs that you can get with no more than a high school diploma.

These jobs offer good wages and a short run to a good pension; in most cases you can retire after 20 years. In other words these are plum jobs.

But there is one problem. It has become unfashionable in the inner city schools to become proficient in reading, writing and arithmetic. So for the brothers to get these plum jobs with only their grade inflated HS diplomas or to advance in their chosen (if stolen) careers the unjust impediment of achieving a superior score on a competency test must be overcome.

So how to overcome the meritocracy that was set up to overcome the nepotism that existed previously. Well simple statistical analysis which clearly shows that minorities consistently score lower on these test than majority whites. And of course anyone who would suggest that minorities score lower because they don’t study for these test or they simply wasted their prime learning years in their youth is a racist.

20 posted on 04/25/2012 12:27:21 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Mariner

fire proof houses cannot come soon enougn...


21 posted on 04/25/2012 1:53:25 AM PDT by wizwor
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In the lawsuit, the firefighters alleged union officials unfairly shared exam questions with white workers but not with black workers ahead of the test.

This is a new twist. It seems they are not sueing because there are tests as such, but because they didn't get to cheat like some others did! Now that takes some balls!

This suit should be laughed out of court because there is no right to equal treatment for an illegal action (cheating).

And whoever cheated should be fired.

22 posted on 04/25/2012 3:20:44 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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"And whoever cheated should be fired."

From what I have seen of the Test Questions not only should anyone who cheated be fired they should also be neutered with a rusty spoon so their DNA is forever removed from the gene pool.

23 posted on 04/25/2012 3:24:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mariner

From what I can read it’s about “HOW” the department used the tests, not about their general use as a benchmark.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 10:59:07 AM PDT by HipShot ("Remember the first rule of gunfighting. have a gun." --Colonel Jeff Cooper)
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To: Mariner

It seems like any test which can be objectively marked, from the firefighting exam to the SATs, is discriminatory.


25 posted on 04/25/2012 11:09:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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