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Rubio campaigns with Romney, raising VP speculation
Chicago Tribune (Via Reuters) ^ | April 23, 2012 | Steve Holland

Posted on 04/23/2012 3:31:23 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome

Romney is running neck-and-neck with Obama in national opinion polls but needs to make up ground in several battleground states where the election is likely to be decided.

The former Massachusetts governor appeared side-by-side with Rubio at a news conference where Romney did most of the talking. They then held a town hall event and took turns answering questions from supporters.

Romney brushed off two questions from reporters whether Rubio was on his list for potential vice presidential picks, a process that will play out over the next four months ahead of the Republicans' August convention in Florida to nominate their candidate to face Obama in the November 6 election.

"The process for selecting a vice presidential running mate is just beginning," Romney said.

He noted that longtime aide Beth Myers has begun to put together a system for checking out possible nominees and reviewing tax returns and other background material, "but we really haven't had a discussion yet of putting together a list or evaluating various candidates."

RUBIO IS COY

Rubio, 40, has lately sounded coy about the idea of a vice presidential nod after ruling it out repeatedly in the past. Conservatives speak warmly of the idea and Romney advisers say he will be considered, but some Republicans voice worries he may simply be too young for the job.

Rubio, asked whether he had the experience necessary to serve as vice president, would not comment. "I'm not talking about that process any more," he said.

Obama leads Romney among Hispanic voters by a whopping 40 percentage points, putting pressure on Romney to take steps to reduce that margin and make himself more competitive in states where the Latino vote could be decisive, like New Mexico and Nevada.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; elections; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; romney; rubio
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Would this be a good thing, or a very, very bad thing?
1 posted on 04/23/2012 3:31:30 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Rubio is gonna get the nod. At this point, I just can’t imagine anyone else.


2 posted on 04/23/2012 3:33:53 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Keep your eye on Gov Susana Martinez of New Mexico


3 posted on 04/23/2012 3:35:52 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Bad thing. Rubio is a light weight and a f_up..


4 posted on 04/23/2012 3:36:35 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Not NBC and therefore unqualified.

Wish parents had become citizens before his birth. He’s terrific.

Sad.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 3:41:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Perdogg
"Keep your eye on Gov Susana Martinez of New Mexico"

Didn't Gov Martinez say that she's not interested?

6 posted on 04/23/2012 3:42:41 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Perdogg

why keep an eye on martinez, to get the mexican vote.


7 posted on 04/23/2012 3:43:25 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Vendome
Wish parents had become citizens before his birth. He’s terrific.

Well, you're in luck! Rubio is qualified. That "2 citizen parents" stuff is nothing but made-up birther nonsense.

8 posted on 04/23/2012 3:43:54 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

If anyone thinks Rubio will add some conservatism to the ticket, they are mistaken.


9 posted on 04/23/2012 3:44:00 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

78% of jewish people voted for the communist in 2008, maybe the repubs should get babs streisand for VP.


10 posted on 04/23/2012 3:45:10 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

they always say that, just like Hildebeast saying that she would not leave her seat in NY to run for President and 0buma saying in 2004 he was not ready to be *resident.


11 posted on 04/23/2012 3:48:42 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/31/farah_rubio_not_eligible_to_be_vice_president_not_a_natural_born_citizen.html


12 posted on 04/23/2012 3:49:11 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: biggredd1
Like we should care what some looney-tunes "birther" says.

Rubio IS eligible and would make a terrific VP choice. He is the most articulate spokesman out there for conservative values--with the possible exceptions of Newt and Rush.
13 posted on 04/23/2012 3:53:40 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Kinda like hitching a ride with a suicide bomber.


14 posted on 04/23/2012 3:55:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Drew68

Sohhh anyone born on US soil, having resided in the US for 14 years and reached the age of 35 may become President?


15 posted on 04/23/2012 3:55:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Sohhh anyone born on US soil, having resided in the US for 14 years and reached the age of 35 may become President?

Yes. Per the Constitution.

How many failed lawsuits will it take before birthers get it through their thick heads that nobody is buying the crap they're selling?

16 posted on 04/23/2012 3:56:51 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Very VERY bad thing. Rubio rings nothing to the table except looking like a token. While it isn’t the central issue, there is no possible way to win with ZERO Foreign Policy experience from both candidates. It doesn’t need to be much, but you gotta have some.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 4:01:20 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

She did, but ya never know. THAT would be a great choice, BUT ... I fear that anyone associated with Romney, after the shellacking he is going to take in the General, is going to ruin their future political career on a National level. I’d rather see her sit back and jump in after 2012.


18 posted on 04/23/2012 4:02:57 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

This is how the RinoCracy intend to put the Obama birther issue to rest


19 posted on 04/23/2012 4:04:46 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

If the repub rino’s are talking of rubio for VP to get the mexican vote, what is romney for, to get the mormon vote?


20 posted on 04/23/2012 4:07:53 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Drew68
Great, another degenerate twerp busybody lawyer who never had a real job is his entire life teaming up with the KOLOBIAN to try and rule us rubes.

This jerkoff co sponsored with democrats primary seatbelt enforcement legislation in FL which was signed into law by the orange fake sun tan faggot Charlie Crist.

Even Jeb Bush vetoed that nonsense every year he was in office.

FUMR/FUMR Jr.

21 posted on 04/23/2012 4:10:05 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: Vendome; biggredd1; Perdogg; cripplecreek; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void
"Not NBC and therefore unqualified."

Hence my question in #1. Could his getting the nod force the issue into the national conversation, or would it be a way for the GOP-E to help make the two-citizen parents requirement go away permanently by establishing (twice-over) precedent?

22 posted on 04/23/2012 4:10:12 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Some conservatives are crazy about Rubio because the Tea Party uprising picked him, at the behest of the Bushes, to beat the flaming gay guy, Crist, who was running for the Senate.

We did not know Rubio and soon after we committed to hm he denouced Arizona for passing that immigration enforcement State law.

He’s an open borders, internationalist, but he is not openly into pushing the Federal and State social engineering of families with homosexuals and their “lifestyles.”


23 posted on 04/23/2012 4:11:37 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

absolutely this would be in the national conversation. Ya think birthers were just bumpin’ their gums? Rules are rules and patriots donts makes them ups as weze goze alongs.


24 posted on 04/23/2012 4:15:44 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Vendome
Not NBC and therefore unqualified.

I might get flamed for this, but I hope someone raises this NBC issue of Rubio to the point of a legal challenge.

25 posted on 04/23/2012 4:16:23 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Article 58)
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To: SaraJohnson

But, Rubio added, “I think that the law has potential unintended consequences and it’s one of the reasons why I think immigration needs to be a federal issue, not a state one.”

More specifically, Rubio said, “Everyone is concerned with the prospect of the ‘reasonable suspicion’ provisions, where individuals can be pulled over because someone suspects that they may not be legal in this country. I think over time people will grow uncomfortable with that.”

On the prospect of suspects showing documentation to police to prove they are legal, Rubio said, “That’s not really something that Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state.”


26 posted on 04/23/2012 4:19:49 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: Drew68

the parents citizenship doesn’t matter?


27 posted on 04/23/2012 4:22:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: VRW Conspirator

the rino’s are involved in the commie coverup also. They distributed “talking points” to other rino’s to respond to birthers and the commies ineligibility. The rino’s know that rubio and jindal do not qualify but the “agreement” was if they let the commie alone, the commies will leave the rino’s alone.


28 posted on 04/23/2012 4:24:29 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Drew68

Yeah, so help me out being a loonatic and all;

What is the difference between:

Natural Born?

Native Born ?

Naturalized?


29 posted on 04/23/2012 4:25:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Rome2000
...orange fake sun tan faggot Charlie Crist.

LOL. I met Crist back in '96. I got a similar impression. FWIW, If Romney is the candidate, he will not be hurtin' to pick Alan West dor VP.

30 posted on 04/23/2012 4:26:51 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Article 58)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

I will not prostitute my reasons against Obama’s eligibility with a vote for a person I believe is in the same eligibility boat as Obama. Romney and his enablers haven’t even convinced me that the Constitution is more important than moneybags. I will find a place to put my vote and it will not be a waste of my personal freedom or conscience.


31 posted on 04/23/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Vendome
the parents citizenship doesn’t matter?

Nope. Not if you were born on U.S. soil. That's why these cases have gone nowhere outside of the fringe conspiracy circus.

There is not a single influential conservative leader or reputable conservative legal foundation that has supported the birther definition of natural born citizen. For good reason; it's nonsense.

Rubio is eligible.

32 posted on 04/23/2012 4:29:27 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Rome2000
"More specifically, Rubio said, 'Everyone is concerned with the prospect of the ‘reasonable suspicion’ provisions, where individuals can be pulled over because someone suspects that they may not be legal in this country. I think over time people will grow uncomfortable with that.'"

I thought that the Arizonal law just said that people's residency/citizenship status could be check in the course of a stop for another matter? I don't recall language allowing for pulling people over for "driving while brown" or somesuch.

33 posted on 04/23/2012 4:30:22 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

‘Not interested’ can be very time and circumstance dependent.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 4:30:46 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Vendome
What is the difference between:

Natural Born?

Native Born ?

Naturalized?

Natural born and native born are interchangeable. There is no difference. Naturalized is a legal process involving many steps where a foreigner becomes a United States citizen.

35 posted on 04/23/2012 4:31:22 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmX4F3gW_vY
Justice Thomas says, you can be a judge but we’re evading the NBC question....


36 posted on 04/23/2012 4:31:51 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Drew68

I suspect that anyone can say that a one parent citizenship is also nonsense.


37 posted on 04/23/2012 4:33:45 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Drew68

You mean like cool and hot?

They are conditions but used in a certain context they can mean the same thing?


38 posted on 04/23/2012 4:35:43 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: noinfringers2; Drew68

Apparently, it matters not one wit what the citizenship of your parents or if they ever become citizens.

I wonder Drew, would it matter if they were/are a dual citizen?

I mean Barry was/is and even discussed why it wasn’t an issue in 2008. Apparently his citizenship expired upon him reaching a certain age, supposedly.


39 posted on 04/23/2012 4:40:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cripplecreek

“Kinda like hitching a ride with a suicide bomber.”

SNORT!! LMBO.

Here we go hispandering, hispandering, hispandering....


40 posted on 04/23/2012 4:47:57 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Rome2000

On the prospect of suspects showing documentation to police to prove they are legal, Rubio said, “That’s not really something that Americans are comfortable with, the notion of a police state.”


He is right on the above statement.

But rather than jumping on the Left’s race baiting band wagon against the State of Arizona, he should have critized Obama for not protecting the State from the illegal invasion. He betrayed everyone by joining up with the open border, one world internationalists to shout down Arizona.


41 posted on 04/23/2012 5:05:46 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Drew68
There is not a single influential conservative leader or reputable conservative legal foundation that has supported the birther definition of natural born citizen. For good reason; it's nonsense.

Rubio is eligible.

Indeed, Rubio is certainly eligible and probably a likely VP selection.

Birther arguments have been rejected everywhere - by every court, by every reputable conservative legal foundations, by virtually all serious/influential conservative leaders, and by near every significant conservative commentator/analyst. Mark Levin is a constitutional scholar and, along with most other radio talk show hosts, has banned birthers from wasting his airtime. There is a reason goofballs like Orly Taitz have to represent the birther cause, and that is because few if any serious people are going to waste time on an obviously silly argument.

42 posted on 04/23/2012 5:09:18 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

I dunno. Some guy told me you have to have to have to parents who were US citizens to be a Natural Born Citizen. He used lots of legal terms and cited court cases, so he must know what he’s talking about. He also told me there is no legal obligation to pay income taxes.


43 posted on 04/23/2012 5:32:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Sudetenland
Like we should care what some looney-tunes “birther” says.

Just to expand upon Sudetenland's declaration, here are some “looney-tunes birther” quotations:

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.”

From the Senate Resolution 511 hearings in the Sen. Judiciary Committee, a resolultion signed by every US Senator in April 2008. The hearings were the Democratic effort to provide cover for McCain's candidacy, since having McCain as a candidate would necessarily silence Republicans, who would face Hillary if Republicans said a word about eligibility. That is why the sponsors of both SR 511 and the prior, Feb 2008, Senate Bill S.2678, ‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’ were Democrat Obama supporters, S.2678 by McCaskill and Obama, and SR511 by McCaskill, Leahy, Coburn, Obama, Clinton, and Webb (a couple of Republicans added, since they were all complicit). SB.2678 failed to pass. It would have failed judicial review, since Congress cannot interpret the Constitution.

From the WaPo ‘Fact-Checker’ column by Michael Dobbs in May 2008, Dobbs addressing the Larry Tribe (Obama’s Harvard adviser and con. law professor) and Ted Olson letter to the SR 511 McCain ‘whitewash committee’ - the Senate Judiciary committee:

"They argue that McCain is a natural born citizen because the United States exercised sovereignty over the Panama Canal at the time of his birth on August 29, 1936, he was born on a U.S. military base, and both of his parents were U.S. citizens. The Olsen-Tribe opinion is available here.

From the Author of the 14th Amendment, Congressman John Bingham, in his address to the house prior to voting on the Amendment:

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…."

From Chief Justice Morrison Waite whose court was unanimous in establishing common-law as ‘held’ precedent in Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 (1875), needing the only constitution definition of any class of citizen before 1868 (14 Amendment) to prove his assertion that Mrs. Minor, born to citizen parent on our soil, did not gain voting rights from the 14th Amendment's ‘equal protections’ clause:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

Important, since so few, including our ‘conservative’ pundits appear to have read the Constitution, is Waite's “At common-law...” statement. The Constitution explicitly avoids definitions. While he won't openly address it. read Mark Levin's book, ‘Liberty and Tyranny’ beginning p37. Hamilton describes the propriety of, and necessity for interpreting the Constitution in the language familiar to its authors. Hamilton said “What a metamorphosis would be produced in the code of law if all its ancient phraseology were to be taken in its modern sense.” There are dozens, probably hundreds of such statements by framers and justices explaining why there are not definitions in the Constitution, and why it was written assuming that interpretation of terms would come from the common language and common-law of its framers, as Waite explained.

Finally,a citation in fact, from another ‘looney birther’, one clear not in good graces with his excellency Barack, Chief Justice John Marshall, who was also a founder, and a framer of the Constition. This statement is not repeated by ‘loony birthers’ often because Waite's restatement of the definition cited by Marshall, and from Vattel, established the common-law as positive law, and the Obots unanimously screech “Dictum,” “Dictum!” Justice Marshall's comment is certainly dictum, since in this fascinating citizenship case, the citizenship issue appearing so often in the courts during the post-Revolution division of spoils, inheritance battles, resolving differences between states still being governed by parts of English Common Law. Marshall, with whose Marbury v. Madison decision Barack appears unfamiliar also said, in his contribution to The Venus, 12 US 253, (1814):

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

The Obots argued endlessly about the English translations of ‘indegines’ used by Marshall, probably due to Marshall's using the origintal French version of Vattel's Law of Nations, then by far the most cited legal reference in American jurisprudence (Grotian Society Papers s, 1972, F.S. Ruddy). But Justice Waite eliminated the confusion in his Minor precedent by making the terms equivalent - “natives or natural born citizens”. This is, as Waite pointed out, the “never doubted” common law. But “looney birthers” are simply too mired in the ancient history to realize that to be a happy and prosperous nation it is time to appreciate what Barack told us before he became a candidate for the presidency, that “A doctrine of negative liberties does not allow me to do the things for society that I believe it needs.” He wanted a new bill of rights. The legitimate interpretations of the musty old Constitution would now emanate from the Center for American Progress, whose minions scrubbed twenty six Supreme Court decisions of their citations to Minor v. Happersett, and, with Googles help, pointed web queries first to their handywork at justia.com and Cornell.

Rubio has found himself in a web created by crony capitalist Republicans. They believed more in McCain's long experience covering up corruption including his Keating Five experience, covered up like Obama's ineligibility, with the able assistance of the media. Both sides were complicit so they sacrificed a a player, leaving the knight in play. For Obama they sacrificed a seldom used provision of the Constitution, and want to use Rubio to protect them lest a constitutionalist gain power in the executive and put them all in jeapordy. Susanna Martinez is, from what this writer has seen, presidential material. Hispanics are not maleable pawns, though promises to illegals might be real motive behind using Rubio, even if he were eligibile. Amending the Constitution is legitimate; ignoring it is not, and may constitute, using the only term defined in the Constitution itself, treason.

44 posted on 04/23/2012 5:53:14 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

100 million illegals by 2020


45 posted on 04/23/2012 5:56:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Drew68; Vendome

Do you seriously believe that the Founders of this nation put something in the Constitution that would allow the son of a British subject to be President of the United States?

Seriously?????


46 posted on 04/23/2012 5:57:15 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: noinfringers2
"I will not prostitute my reasons against Obama’s eligibility with a vote for a person I believe is in the same eligibility boat as Obama."

If the GOP nominates a candidate who doesn't meet the Minor vs Happersett SCOTUS decision's definition of NBC, I WILL vote 3rd party for the first time in my life.

47 posted on 04/23/2012 6:01:51 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Drew68; Vendome

So how do you feel about anchor babies and those born to undocumented Mexicans here in the US? I suppose we should give amnesty to anyone born here to undocumented Mexicans?


48 posted on 04/23/2012 6:17:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Drew68

You can’t argue common sense with these guys.

We are crazy nutjobs.

BTW, did you know that Natural Born and Native Born mean the same thing?

Analogous to cool and hot meaning the same thing in a certain context.


49 posted on 04/23/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Yeah...awesome...he wants to implement his brand of amnesty...the GOP Dream Act.

No thanks.


50 posted on 04/23/2012 7:26:14 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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