I wonder WHY??
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Posted on 04/21/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by taildragger
Folks, just heard, Hatch in a run off ! Liljenquist and Tea Partiers did it !!!
Utah has a sore looser law.
Show one post where anyone says or implies they hate mormons.
You keep making the charge without basis.
Another DC RINO will soon bite the dust.
Good riddance. Hatch can join Lugar is a retirement home.
Thanks for the post. Poor Orrin. This is what he gets for thinking he is living in the past. And his ass kissing of Teddy Kennedy was just way over the top for true conservatives in Utah.
I clearly see there’s a lot of joy and jubilation here over the news that Orrin Hatch has to compete in a primary. Now, forgive me, but could someone please explain to me why do so many Freepers want to see Hatch go? Is it because of his position on some specific key issues? Or is it that he’s just simply been around too long and is thus viewed as part of the establishment?
One thing I find curious is, according to the Heritage Foundation’s legislative scorecard which is constructed as a comprehensive and revealing barometer of a lawmaker’s willingness to fight for conservative policies in Congress, Orrin Hatch currently receives a score of 91%, which is a higher score than all but five senators. (Heritage prides itself on being tough graders, as they should be):
http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/index.html#all
I’m not trying to be disagreeable here, nor do I claim to be some big fan of Orrin Hatch... I’m genuinely interested in learning what am I missing here that should make me want to see him retired?
Upset? He sure is.
I heard Hatch on FOX Radio this morning (Eastern time). This was before the results were in. ‘Ole Orrin must have seen some internal polls.
Hatch really layed into the TEA Party....he hates the TEA Party with a passion. Hatch sounded angry and bitter. Boo hoo.
The reporter mentioned that Hatch has been in the Senate for 30 years. The Founding Fathers never intended for there to be such a thing as a career politician.....the source of many of the country’s problems. It’s a shame the Founders didn’t put term limits in the Constitution.
RINO hunting season is open!
My guess is he is now toast.
“”Orrin Hatch currently receives a score of 91%,”””
I think you answered your own question. In a super conservative state like Utah their Senators should have a 100% conservative voting record.
A tough conservative would have no problem getting elected and staying elected in Utah.
Yeah, and CNN us unbiased.
Did you ever hear Hatch stand up against the progressives going too far with the police state in the name of domestic terrorism? Was he standing next to Rand Paul raising cane about TSA sexually molesting babies and toddlers?
I did not think so.
Hey, after all, it's not like it's the people's Senate seat! < / sarcasm off >
Thanks for the introduction of the mormon religion to this thread. We'll be happy to provide more fodder for your whines.
Yes, he was first elected in 1977, there should definitely be term limits.
Show me because you have made the charge one anti-mormon thread.
There have been threads exposing mormonISM but zero that are anti-mormon.
but but but...
he was one of the original Tea Partiers — he said so.
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It's not anti-Bush, it's just exposing BushISM...
“LOL I’m guessing Hatch is absolutely livid about it too.”
Greta had Urrine on last evening. He acted like some Brahmin and it was an affront to his dignity to have to run against anyone. He called everyone who was against him a liar. I got the same tune directly from him from an e-mail I sent about one of his actions. Both he and Lugar need to go if only because they’ve “served” now for more than 35 years! We need to “off” the RINOs as much if not more than we do the RATS.
I don’t think former Senator Bennett is named Bill.
Robert Bennett comes to mind.
Pass the torch already Orrin, it’s We the People’s Senate not yours!
Presbyterian Reporter wrote:
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I think you answered your own question. In a super conservative state like Utah their Senators should have a 100% conservative voting record.
A tough conservative would have no problem getting elected and staying elected in Utah.
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But it really doesn’t answer my question. First off, Heritage currently doesn’t give any congressman or congresswoman a 100% conservative rating. Here are the Top 10 highest scores in the Senate right now:
1) Jim DeMint (NC) - 99%
1) Mike Lee (UT) - 99%
3) Marco Rubio (FL) - 97%
4) Rand Paul (KY) - 96%
5) Ron Johnson (WI) - 94%
6) Tom Coburn (OK) - 91%
6) Orrin Hatch (UT) - 91%
8) Jim Risch (ID) - 90%
9) Pat Toomey (PA) - 89%
10) Michael Crapo (ID) - 87%
10) Jim Inhofe (LA) - 87%
10) David Vitter (LA) - 87%
From the list, one can see what a nice job our top Tea Party senators have done in keeping their promises to vote for legislation backing conservative principles (and I’d say they each deserve an e-mail or phone call of thanks from each one of us). That said, one also can’t ignore that Orrin Hatch’s voting record is measuring right up there with our Tea Party favorites, according to Heritage. So it begs the question... Why are so many Freepers accusing Hatch of being a RINO?
That is not just funny. It is a true statement. He really got me to the point where I just tossed every letter and deleted every email as he feigned belief in the Tea Party.
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Y E S !
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That’s fantastic.
Ushering in good judges?? The man voted for Kagan for crying out loud. I must have missed that Levin show.
I wonder how much money he has for defending the seat. It cost McCain over $20 million to win last round.
” “These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans,” Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”
Then Hatch, a former boxer, turns combative. “I despise these people, and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.” “
78 years old, and won’t give up either the power,the perks, or the meat wagon....
Lugar, 80.....same.
Levin is ‘Bnai’Brith, so he aligns with all other forms of freemasonry, which mormonism clearly is.
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Exactly!
They all become very arrogant.
” Did you ever hear Hatch stand up against the progressives going too far with the police state in the name of domestic terrorism? Was he standing next to Rand Paul raising cane about TSA sexually molesting babies and toddlers?
I did not think so.”
Never!
No apparently you are unable to tell the difference between exposing mormonISM and anti-mormon.
Man, you’re not lying! I saw him at the last town hall and he looked livid that he even had to be there. This is the beneath him.
We each have our limits.
Freepers in general are people who are aware of what is going on, so they assume other Freepers are too, and should not have to waste their time recounting all the info that is common knowledge as to why any conservative would want some other conservative to replace Hatch.
Since you asked for some specific issues, Hatch voted for TARP and is a big Dream Act supporter. That’s not all, but it enough right there.
In his first race for elective off Hatch criticized his incumbent opponent Moss’s 18-year tenure in the Senate, saying “What do you call a Senator who’s served in office for 18 years? You call him home.” [6] Hatch argued that many Senators, including Moss, had lost touch with their constituents. So, Hatch who has been in the Senate for twice as long a the guy he replaced made the case against himself in this election rather well 36 years ago!
As far as being part of the D.C. Establishment, it does not get more establishment and stickier than this - Hatch’s son Scott is a partner and registered lobbyist at Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC, a Washington lobbying firm. The firm was formed in 2001 with Jack Martin, a staff aide to Senator Hatch for six years, and H. Laird Walker, described as a close associate of the senator. In March 2003, the Los Angeles Times reported that the firm was formed with Hatch’s personal encouragement and that he saw no conflict of interest in working on issues that involved his son’s clients.
How many times over 36 years has Hatch voted to raise the debt limit to get this country to whatever portion of the 15 trillion dollar debt he is presonally responsible for? I’m not gonna count them up for you. Just say, most people instinctively understand the guys that got us into this debt disater are not the ones we trust to get us out of it.
This is all the information I have time to give you, but now that you have learned what you have been missing here that should make you want to see him retired, perhaps you will count yourself as a supporter of Dan Liljenquist.
Have a nice weekend!
That's 'anti-MormonISM' junk facts...
... claiming that being a Mormon alone makes one a liberal.
Well; we are STILL waiting for a MORMON on the National scene that ISN'T a LIBERAL to be produced.
Do YOU have one for us?
People are asking why do we want to get rid them, really?
Nothing against our seniors but ya think he is a little out of touch?
I mean this isn't like a titan of busness going their ( Bob Lutz comes to mind, just because of his age and it would be a career change ) for one term to cap off a life of work...
Just like, Specter, and Levin who has been their 36 years. and Dingell, at 55+ it is time to go.
Do ya think our Founding Fathers wanted them their that long? And that doesn't even touch the admendment that made Senators elected by the popular vote.
It is time Orrin...
When Hatch took office, our national debt was $700 billion. Today, it’s pushing $16 trillion.
Speaking of bus...
Would that be the same one that the MORMONs threw their god under; in favor of STATEHOOD?
1) Mike Lee (UT) - 99%
So what prevented Orrin Hatch from being a 99% conservative like Mike Lee?
The conservatives need a super conservative leader and Orrin Hatch is not that type of person. Orrin has gotten lazy and a younger and stronger conservative leader needs to replace him.
” Do ya think our Founding Fathers wanted them their that long? And that doesn’t even touch the admendment that made Senators elected by the popular vote.”
Founding Fathers would be mortified!!
HAve these 'fanatics' produced any DATA to possibly back up what they are saying??
Or do they just call them names?
“So it begs the question... Why are so many Freepers accusing Hatch of being a RINO?”
Well let me count the ways....
support of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cass Sunstein, Stephen Breyer, and Timothy Geitner and Elana Kagan.
Hatch voted against banning earmarks
Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society… until ObamaCare
Hatch voted for and was lead sponsor of SCHIP, a massive expansion of government health insurance
Hatch voted for the Wall Street bailout (TARP)
Hatch voted for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout
Hatch voted to continue the auto bailout
Hatch voted to increase the debt ceiling 16 times by a total of $7.6 trillion
Hatch voted against the interstate sale of health insurance
Hatch voted to establish the Department of Education, a federal takeover of our education system
Hatch repeatedly voted for the expansion of government health care programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for wasteful and pork-laden farm subsidy programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for bills filled with pet projects and giveaways
I am sure I could come up with more but I think this should give you an idea.
There are posters on FR that mis-categorize people and label them improperly.
There is one who INSISTs on claiming that others hate MORMONs; when it's been SHOWN, over and over, that the HATE is directed towards the HERESY that calls itself MormonISM.
They also claim that DOPEY things are REPEATED, but have not, as yet, produced any LINKS to these DOPEY things.
(Yeah, it'll take TWO for the REPEAT charge to stick.)
Are you referring to Mitt Romney?
The DECEIVED Mormon?
The one, who if pressed, will claim he believes everything the MORMON religious Organization teaches; for fear of APOSTIZING?
THAT one MORMON?
” Well let me count the ways....
support of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cass Sunstein, Stephen Breyer, and Timothy Geitner and Elana Kagan.
Hatch voted against banning earmarks
Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society… until ObamaCare
Hatch voted for and was lead sponsor of SCHIP, a massive expansion of government health insurance
Hatch voted for the Wall Street bailout (TARP)
Hatch voted for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout
Hatch voted to continue the auto bailout
Hatch voted to increase the debt ceiling 16 times by a total of $7.6 trillion
Hatch voted against the interstate sale of health insurance
Hatch voted to establish the Department of Education, a federal takeover of our education system
Hatch repeatedly voted for the expansion of government health care programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for wasteful and pork-laden farm subsidy programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for bills filled with pet projects and giveaways
I am sure I could come up with more but I think this should give you an idea.”
How the hell does he get a 91% conservative rating? The ratings must be crap.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
If somebody had told me two years ago that I'd be trying to talk people into voting for Newt Gingrich despite his past history, and now being backed by a casino mogul, I'd have said they're crazy. Two months ago I was supporting Rick Santorum despite some significant concerns. Now, however, Gingrich is now the last conservative left standing. The alternative to him is worse.
I don't have a big problem with voting for a politically conservative Mormon, though I would want to ask some important questions first to a Mormon candidate before voting for him. I'd have similar concerns about any candidate who is a member of a cult group, though I could imagine voting for such a candidate if there is no good alternative or if the candidate is really good politically despite problematic religious views, so long as I'm satisfied his religious views don't make him unacceptable on key Christian conservative political issues such as abortion and homosexual marriage.
In any event, trying to run Sen. Hatch out of Utah is not a political risk to the Republican Party since whoever wins the Republican nomination is going to win Utah anyway. I think it's a win-win — if Hatch wins, the seat stays Republican and hopefully he'll realize he needs to be more attentive to his conservative constituents; if he loses, the seat gets held by a considerably more conservative candidate since the Democratic Party has virtually no chance in Utah.
I wonder WHY??
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